[MarlboroChick]

Has anyone ever heard of this?
"Münchausen syndrome by proxy (MSbP or MBP) is a controversial term that is used to describe a behavior pattern in which a caregiver deliberately exaggerates, fabricates, and/or induces physical, psychological, behavioral, and/or mental health problems in those who are in their care."

My pdoc thinks im having a paranoid schizophrenic episode because i wanted to talk to him about this, and how i thought it sounded like my own mother. He says he 'always thought this might be the issue', about the schizophrenia. Im afraid to tell him anything more since he obviously doesnt believe me. He already talked to my mother about it and she said she agreed, give her meds, etc.
Usually after beating me, she comes right back, tells me she's sorry and to not do whatever I did wrong again, and helps me (???) and then tells everyone i had an accident.
Im afraid to eat or drink anything she gives me because theres been times where she slipped me something and ive gotten really sick. Im not sure if id done something wrong and this was her way of punishment, but it was weird.

I dont know. Maybe shes just concerned. I always want to slap diagnoses on people to explain them because thats what always happened to me haha. But she really confuses me.
I guess im just looking for second opinions to see if im going crazy or not ahaha.

[Travelinglady]

Yes, I have heard of it. As far as I know, it is a legitimate diagnosis. Actually what I mainly know about it is from TV shows.

[MarlboroChick]

Yeah, I remember seeing a few movies about it too, haha.

[healingme4me]

I believe this one was covered, but in regards to the syndrome and not by proxy.

Sounds serious.

>>http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001555.htm
Treatment

Once the syndrome is recognized, the child needs to be protected and removed from direct care of the parent. The affected parent should not be accused directly, but offered help.
Because this is a form of child abuse, the syndrome must be reported to the authorities. Psychiatric counseling will be recommended for the parent involved, but since the disorder is rare, very little is known about effective treatment.<<

[MarlboroChick]

Link was broken.
My mom is applying for an extended guardianship over me...i dont know if i have the nerve to report anything or if i want to.

[healingme4me]

Originally Posted by MarlboroChick

Link was broken.
My mom is applying for an extended guardianship over me...i dont know if i have the nerve to report anything or if i want to.

I fixed the link, it blended with one of the words.

Living a life, worrying about whether someone has slipped you a mickey, is a life that is difficult to live.

That's a decision, only you seem to be able to make.

[MarlboroChick]

Originally Posted by healingme4me

I fixed the link, it blended with one of the words.

Living a life, worrying about whether someone has slipped you a mickey, is a life that is difficult to live.

That's a decision, only you seem to be able to make.

I read about it and doubt myself. Its way more likely that shes just concerned I guess, but she does do weird things sometimes.
Ugh...maybe i should start reading up on schizophrenia....

Yes, I am familiar with it. By proxy is when the parent makes the child sick. M.Syn. without proxy is one making one's self purposely ill. Used to have legal by proxy cases back when i worked. Take care and reach out to your T.

[GeorgeWeasley'sEar]

Yep. I've heard of it. It's an extreme form of narcissism. Really sad. I'm sorry this happened to you. Here, take this: .

[HealingNSuffering]

Originally Posted by MarlboroChick

Has anyone ever heard of this?
"Münchausen syndrome by proxy (MSbP or MBP) is a controversial term that is used to describe a behavior pattern in which a caregiver deliberately exaggerates, fabricates, and/or induces physical, psychological, behavioral, and/or mental health problems in those who are in their care."

My pdoc thinks im having a paranoid schizophrenic episode because i wanted to talk to him about this, and how i thought it sounded like my own mother. He says he 'always thought this might be the issue', about the schizophrenia. Im afraid to tell him anything more since he obviously doesnt believe me. He already talked to my mother about it and she said she agreed, give her meds, etc.
Usually after beating me, she comes right back, tells me she's sorry and to not do whatever I did wrong again, and helps me (???) and then tells everyone i had an accident.
Im afraid to eat or drink anything she gives me because theres been times where she slipped me something and ive gotten really sick. Im not sure if id done something wrong and this was her way of punishment, but it was weird.

I dont know. Maybe shes just concerned. I always want to slap diagnoses on people to explain them because thats what always happened to me haha. But she really confuses me.
I guess im just looking for second opinions to see if im going crazy or not ahaha.

I don't think crazy is necessarily a bad thing, are you hearing voices? Your mom sounds like she's the one who really needs help. I used to be abusive like that to people I cared about, before my first round of psychiatric treatment, I would do the same kind of cruel things to my brother, animals etc... Then I would hug them and tell them I was sorry (I genuinely was) and that I would hope they didn't do whatever it was that made me mad again. So I messed up and made the same mistakes that were made with me, then I felt bad about it because I knew exactly how they felt being so defenseless against the abuse.

I don't think feeling your mom might poison you is part of a paranoid delusion, especially if she'd poisoned you before. On the other hand the food could've expired and maybe she didn't put anything in there, per-say. I used to get that way about food when I was a child, I thought my parents hated me so much that they would poison me so I was scared to eat when my anxiety got really high. If I could go back and rewind time I would've reported the abuse to the authorities. Especially knowing now, since hindsight is always 20/20, that I had other family members that could've taken better care of me.

[MarlboroChick]

Originally Posted by HealingNSuffering

I don't think crazy is necessarily a bad thing, are you hearing voices? Your mom sounds like she's the one who really needs help. I used to be abusive like that to people I cared about, before my first round of psychiatric treatment, I would do the same kind of cruel things to my brother, animals etc... Then I would hug them and tell them I was sorry (I genuinely was) and that I would hope they didn't do whatever it was that made me mad again. So I messed up and made the same mistakes that were made with me, then I felt bad about it because I knew exactly how they felt being so defenseless against the abuse.

I don't think feeling your mom might poison you is part of a paranoid delusion, especially if she'd poisoned you before. On the other hand the food could've expired and maybe she didn't put anything in there, per-say. I used to get that way about food when I was a child, I thought my parents hated me so much that they would poison me so I was scared to eat when my anxiety got really high. If I could go back and rewind time I would've reported the abuse to the authorities. Especially knowing now, since hindsight is always 20/20, that I had other family members that could've taken better care of me.

No voices yet, haha. I dont understand why she beats the **** out of me, and then comes back apologizing and taking care of me. Maybe since youve been there you could explain it to me a little...? When someone pisses me off and I beat them up, I sure dont go back and help them afterwards.
She regularly slips me my prescribed meds because i wont take some of them (haha), and sometimes sedatives. Theres only been a few times I got really sick from it, unless it was spoiled food.
I know she doesnt like me, she puts up with me because im her daughter and ****, but i dont know if she hates me enough to try and kill me. I was wondering if she'd try to make me sick because itd give her more control, which i know shed like.
Psychiatrist trusts my mom waaay more then me...hes evaluating me for schizophrenia.

[HealingNSuffering]

Originally Posted by MarlboroChick

No voices yet, haha. I dont understand why she beats the **** out of me, and then comes back apologizing and taking care of me. Maybe since youve been there you could explain it to me a little...? When someone pisses me off and I beat them up, I sure dont go back and help them afterwards.
She regularly slips me my prescribed meds because i wont take some of them (haha), and sometimes sedatives. Theres only been a few times I got really sick from it, unless it was spoiled food.
I know she doesnt like me, she puts up with me because im her daughter and ****, but i dont know if she hates me enough to try and kill me. I was wondering if she'd try to make me sick because itd give her more control, which i know shed like.
Psychiatrist trusts my mom waaay more then me...hes evaluating me for schizophrenia.

I can't speak for your mom but the reason I would hit them is because they would make me really mad, I had a really bad anger problem my whole life, I was out of control. Just recently I've started to control it better. I haven't physically fought anybody in 4 years and whenever I would fight people I didn't genuinely care about I never apologized but still feel bad about the damage I did to them to this day. So why I would apologize, because I had genuine feelings of love for the people I was hurting, I felt bad about what I had done and I didn't want them to hate me forever. More reasons why: I had been abused in a very similar manner except I never got the apology so it was a lot harder for me to find forgiveness, plus I didn't want them to try to kill me in my sleep, or go telling the police about what happened.

Oh they are prescribed meds, I assume the sedatives are to? Or are those hers? When you see your psychiatrist you should ask him to give you and your mom a recommendation to see a family therapist. Then in therapists office you two can work things out. If that doesn't work you could always report the abuse to your psychiatrist. Its against the law to abuse disadvantaged people, children disabled etc.

I don't doubt that you have some issues but schizophrenia is taking it a little far, judging by your other posts it sounds like you could benefit more from seeing a good therapist than you are from the psychotropic drugging. I was in a very similar situation to yours when I was a child/tween/teen. I lived in an abusive home and was undergoing psychiatric treatment and psychotherapy for "mental disorders" that were really just side effects of the abuse. If I could've stopped the abuse and neglect I probably never would have ended up with PTSD. If I would've never went to psychotherapy I would've never stopped self-injuring either.

[joshuas-mommy]

Originally Posted by MarlboroChick

Link was broken.
My mom is applying for an extended guardianship over me...i dont know if i have the nerve to report anything or if i want to.

You need to report it because mother's like this don't go away and will continue to abuse you.

I thought munchausens was exaggerating your own symptoms.

The definition you give sounds more like gaslighting.

Munchausen is when one literally makes themselves ill by injecting poison into themselves, creating/worsening infections, etc. - to seek hospitalization because they want to be taken care of by medical staff. They actually are creating symptoms but are deceptive to staff as to what is going on. They literally do make themselves sick and subject themselves to unnecessary surgeries.

M by proxy is when the parent makes the child sick by numerous methods - such as described above, severely malnourishing the child (to create a baffling "failure to thrive" case). All this is done in secret with the goal of having the child constantly in the doctor, hospital, testing, specialists, having to use medical equipment, etc. It is all being done by the parent because they are seeking attention as the doting, responsible parent and receive a lot of pity.

[MarlboroChick]

Originally Posted by HealingNSuffering

I can't speak for your mom but the reason I would hit them is because they would make me really mad, I had a really bad anger problem my whole life, I was out of control. Just recently I've started to control it better. I haven't physically fought anybody in 4 years and whenever I would fight people I didn't genuinely care about I never apologized but still feel bad about the damage I did to them to this day. So why I would apologize, because I had genuine feelings of love for the people I was hurting, I felt bad about what I had done and I didn't want them to hate me forever. More reasons why: I had been abused in a very similar manner except I never got the apology so it was a lot harder for me to find forgiveness, plus I didn't want them to try to kill me in my sleep, or go telling the police about what happened.

Oh they are prescribed meds, I assume the sedatives are to? Or are those hers? When you see your psychiatrist you should ask him to give you and your mom a recommendation to see a family therapist. Then in therapists office you two can work things out. If that doesn't work you could always report the abuse to your psychiatrist. Its against the law to abuse disadvantaged people, children disabled etc.

I don't doubt that you have some issues but schizophrenia is taking it a little far, judging by your other posts it sounds like you could benefit more from seeing a good therapist than you are from the psychotropic drugging. I was in a very similar situation to yours when I was a child/tween/teen. I lived in an abusive home and was undergoing psychiatric treatment and psychotherapy for "mental disorders" that were really just side effects of the abuse. If I could've stopped the abuse and neglect I probably never would have ended up with PTSD. If I would've never went to psychotherapy I would've never stopped self-injuring either.

Yeah their all prescribed for me. When i said that she slipped me something that made me sick, if she did, that probably wasnt prescribed.
The family therapy scene didnt work out to well for us. My mom doesnt really like having to listen to what i say during the sessions and therapists get mad and say shes getting defensive or that im being rude or 'inappropriate'.

My mom has bipolar disorder. I dont know if thatd have anything to do with this. I have it too, actually, which isnt so good.

You need to report it because mother's like this don't go away and will continue to abuse you.

I dont really have the nerve or energy to put up with all the **** thatll come if i do. My dad is already going to jail too, so id rather not. Im really just curious about all this.

[That What]

Originally Posted by MarlboroChick

No voices yet, haha. I dont understand why she beats the **** out of me, and then comes back apologizing and taking care of me. Maybe since youve been there you could explain it to me a little...? When someone pisses me off and I beat them up, I sure dont go back and help them afterwards.
She regularly slips me my prescribed meds because i wont take some of them (haha), and sometimes sedatives. Theres only been a few times I got really sick from it, unless it was spoiled food.
I know she doesnt like me, she puts up with me because im her daughter and ****, but i dont know if she hates me enough to try and kill me. I was wondering if she'd try to make me sick because itd give her more control, which i know shed like.
Psychiatrist trusts my mom waaay more then me...hes evaluating me for schizophrenia.

I can explain the hitting apologizing. A huge pet peeve I had as a child aunt around toddler nieces/nephews saying question "what were you attempting."

Tots hand hits, adult voice. "Say sorry." Tot says "sorry" Adults. "Oh...good girl." Learned behavior negative hitting acceptable, "even" "say sorry sorry" words and "positive words back." Heat of moment then calm and apologize.

Problem many never learned saying sorry without hearing someone tell "say sorry."

The tot never meant hitting. The tot meant comfort soft caressing. Problem never learned "non-baby position" soft caressing. Baby learned from raised height feet wrapped around waist arms holding check to check position so eye sight line to ground floor is about 5 feet longer than baby's actual "arm" reach and 3 feet longer than foot bottoms.

Tot was imitating seeing someone else's actions attempting to learn how fingers feel not check to check and body pressed against "object."

[Tauren]

Schizophrenia and Munchausen by Proxy are both really serious problems. There's also no reason that both couldn't be going on. Can you see a different psychiatrist? Do you have other symptoms of schizophrenia besides thinking your mom might poison you? If your mom beats the **** out of you, she must leave bruises or marks you could show him.

I dont really have the nerve or energy to put up with all the **** thatll come if i do. My dad is already going to jail too, so id rather not. Im really just curious about all this.

How can you just be curious? Parents with MBPS can kill their children. It happens more than with any other form of abuse.