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Old Apr 13, 2018, 05:01 PM
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Life isn't black and white. There is a whole lot of grey area involved. Believe it or not, a police officer's job isn't to just slap the cuffs on anyone first and ask questions later. They also talk to people, understand their problems and issues, and get an understanding of what is going on in the particular situation.

Sure, some cops are racist bigots who shouldn't be allowed to have a badge, let alone a gun, but for every bad or corrupt cop out there, there are good decent ones who are genuinely trying to make a difference in their community while simultaneously trying to stay alive long enough to collect their pension.
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 05:31 PM
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Not every kind of problem is solved by police and the justice system
so true & there are some complicated situations whete they can't even write laws in a way that policing would be possible. There are already rules in place for mal-practice. Things that arem't civered have a complexity that can't be regulated.

The way you reacted to a T is entirely different to the way someone else reacts. Is it abuse for the one person that reacts badly & not for the other. You can't just have charges enforced based on personal reactions to something.

That is why action against PHYSICAL abuse can have laws made against it but emotional abuse does not because what emotionally abuses one person may not be emotional abuse to someone else.
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 06:28 PM
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so true & there are some complicated situations whete they can't even write laws in a way that policing would be possible. There are already rules in place for mal-practice. Things that arem't civered have a complexity that can't be regulated.

The way you reacted to a T is entirely different to the way someone else reacts. Is it abuse for the one person that reacts badly & not for the other. You can't just have charges enforced based on personal reactions to something.

That is why action against PHYSICAL abuse can have laws made against it but emotional abuse does not because what emotionally abuses one person may not be emotional abuse to someone else.
Speaking of abuse, it doesn’t matter who the abuser is. And with that, what you’re saying is the same as explaining that for example, robbery is dependent on the robbed as an other individual could’ve handled the robber more well

And let’s keep things objective and non-personal, ok?
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 06:30 PM
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Abuse and robbery are two completely different things, don't try and make them alike.
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 06:35 PM
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Abuse and robbery are two completely different things, don't try and make them alike.
Hey, you talked about seeing things on a greyscale, right?
Robbery IS abuse - for example abusing a person’s vulnerable house (and perhaps owners) in order to GAIN at the EXPENSE of the other.
That’s abuse

And topics being different topics doesn’t make one less worthy of treatment
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 06:39 PM
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Uh...now you're confusing me....I'll just...uh.....take my leave.
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 06:43 PM
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Uh...now you're confusing me....I'll just...uh.....take my leave.
Not at all. I don’t know why you’re confused
Eventually it’s a matter of focusing on the main topic - mental health police.
Each topic presented including robbery deserves of proper treatment. The mental health police concept is one concept I am proposing
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Old Apr 13, 2018, 11:15 PM
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If someone is robbed, they are robbed & there is PHYSICAL PROOF it happened. Just because doneone's actions are EXPERIENCED as abuse by one person doesn't mean it would be experienced as abuse by someone else & they may bot even be effected by the behavior. Robery is robery & is not a oersonal reaction to a behavior.

They are not equivalent conditions.

Yes, robbery is abuse to the one it happens to BUT behaviors that seem abusive to some my not even be perceived abusive to someone else.....that is subjective on a personal level & each case would need to be handled on it's own, not domething that can be generalized about
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As I said, different cases doesn’t make one in-equally worthy of treatment
Evidence is one concrete part of the matter and you are right about that.
As for abuse, yes, some people can handle abuse better but abusive intentions are still abusive, whether they succeeded or not
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Old Apr 14, 2018, 09:27 AM
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At some point I decided not to give my abusers any more of my time and energy. I decided to accept that they were just people who made bad choices and unfortunate mistakes - mistakes that, ultimately, hurt themselves more than anyone else. Forgiveness is all about being at peace with our past and with ourselves. Ultimately, forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with the abuser.
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Old Apr 14, 2018, 10:30 AM
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At some point I decided not to give my abusers any more of my time and energy. I decided to accept that they were just people who made bad choices and unfortunate mistakes - mistakes that, ultimately, hurt themselves more than anyone else. Forgiveness is all about being at peace with our past and with ourselves. Ultimately, forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with the abuser.
Interesting, you have a point in that.
Wow, that's remarkable
But sometimes, abuses are bared with no other choice available. Work is a good example
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Old Apr 14, 2018, 01:42 PM
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Interesting, you have a point in that.
Wow, that's remarkable
But sometimes, abuses are bared with no other choice available. Work is a good example
Yes...forgiveness is never about the other person; it is for our own peace and emotional stability.

I'm not sure what you mean by "sometimes abuses are bared with no other choice available"?
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Old Apr 14, 2018, 01:56 PM
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I can't speak for where you are, but here in the UK it wouldn't work because nobody even gives a crap.

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Old Apr 14, 2018, 02:55 PM
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Yes...forgiveness is never about the other person; it is for our own peace and emotional stability.

I'm not sure what you mean by "sometimes abuses are bared with no other choice available"?
Like when some bosses bully on a regular basis. No other choice being no option to leave work due to a variety of reasons
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I can't speak for where you are, but here in the UK it wouldn't work because nobody even gives a crap.
It could be useful if you elaborate about your area and what you think would make the idea not work
The idea is more global than local, due to mental health being a universal field
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It could be useful if you elaborate about your area and what you think would make the idea not work
The idea is more global than local, due to mental health being a universal field
What I mean is here in the UK there's very little help for mental health issues, unless you've got a really serious mental health issue they just leave you to get on with it with no support.
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My idea is more of a global scale, since mental health by itself is a global field
It could be monitored even globally, rather to be monitored specifically in a local area

I will further add and say the idea is starting to appear important as the disconnection from the physical world arises, where people could get hurt by the same individual and due to a social splintering cannot find and communicate the common damage done
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Old Apr 15, 2018, 03:03 PM
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I LOVE this topic!

I think there needs to be huge changes in power imbalance. Healthcare is extremely broken and is supposed to be safe. Even therapists need policing! Police need policing! Government needs policing!

I absolutely agree that the world accepts abuse and even protects it. Look at stats for sexual abuse against children!! If those stats are true then anywhere between 30 and 50% of humans are sexually abused!!! What IN THE ^$(@^!?

I also believe there are major phenomenons in human nature that blame and shame victims and coverup and protect those in power who repeatedly abuse. Truth is, human nature is disgusting. When people are given unlimited power and no accountability, they take advantage of it. If someone protects those in power who are guilty, there are almost always benefits. Likewise, if they do not protect those in power and become whistleblowers, there are most definitely repercussions. This is the way of the world. Humans in power are rarely ethical or moral, that is why they are successful. There are good people in power but they are usually corrupted before long.

Anyways, this world is scary and dark. Big picture is, paranoia is justified in a lot of cases when a world operates on darkness and corruption behind closed doors.

Therapy is not a safe place. People need to know this. There are tons of unethical people working in that industry and even the most ethical and moral people can still do bad things if given the right circumstances.

Ahhhh!! Trauma is brutal!! What a disturbing world we live in! Dog eat dog, eye for an eye: I guess this is what people do now. I refuse to take part in that because I can't live with myself if I ever hurt anyone maliciously or intentionally. Hoping more people make this effort because our world is self destructing. Normalization of deviance is becoming a social norm around the world lol. What has our world come to!?

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It should never be acceptable to support deviant abusive people. Those who are ethical and moral should unite against abusers and stand up to them together. There is power in numbers but when the ethical and moral people remain quiet there is no accountability and the abuse will continue. This is unfathomable to me. How can the healthcare industry allow abusive therapists to get away with it?
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It should never be acceptable to support deviant abusive people. Those who are ethical and moral should unite against abusers and stand up to them together. There is power in numbers but when the ethical and moral people remain quiet there is no accountability and the abuse will continue. This is unfathomable to me. How can the healthcare industry allow abusive therapists to get away with it?
That’s where policing comes in
I think the idea of placing the mental field around the globe will become a necessity if we are to survive in the future
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I LOVE this topic!

I think there needs to be huge changes in power imbalance. Healthcare is extremely broken and is supposed to be safe. Even therapists need policing! Police need policing! Government needs policing!

I absolutely agree that the world accepts abuse and even protects it. Look at stats for sexual abuse against children!! If those stats are true then anywhere between 30 and 50% of humans are sexually abused!!! What IN THE ^$(@^!?

I also believe there are major phenomenons in human nature that blame and shame victims and coverup and protect those in power who repeatedly abuse. Truth is, human nature is disgusting. When people are given unlimited power and no accountability, they take advantage of it. If someone protects those in power who are guilty, there are almost always benefits. Likewise, if they do not protect those in power and become whistleblowers, there are most definitely repercussions. This is the way of the world. Humans in power are rarely ethical or moral, that is why they are successful. There are good people in power but they are usually corrupted before long.

Anyways, this world is scary and dark. Big picture is, paranoia is justified in a lot of cases when a world operates on darkness and corruption behind closed doors.

Therapy is not a safe place. People need to know this. There are tons of unethical people working in that industry and even the most ethical and moral people can still do bad things if given the right circumstances.

Ahhhh!! Trauma is brutal!! What a disturbing world we live in! Dog eat dog, eye for an eye: I guess this is what people do now. I refuse to take part in that because I can't live with myself if I ever hurt anyone maliciously or intentionally. Hoping more people make this effort because our world is self destructing. Normalization of deviance is becoming a social norm around the world lol. What has our world come to!?

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Health care - yes, it is broken. Mainly, because there is no one protecting mental health
I will say it again - if mental health is defined as the same thing as physical health and physical health can be harmed through injury, so can mental health be harmed through injury, and it has to be stopped

Seesaw once said - taking care of the attacker won't improve your condition. She is right. However, if we get better AND know that our offender has been taken care of, we'll know we can continue to live our lives much more safely than if society as it does now lets those kind of people go
Knowing that we can actually be safe, by itself, sharpens mental health and allows us to be much more productive and live a much better and contributing life
Otherwise the case is just the opposite - fear, worries, hopelessness
Do we really want to live like this in the future? I don't think so

And I am not just talking about "we" as in "this website". I am also talking about everyone. The last thing people want is a future where abusers roam freely to abuse others for their gains. This is not how we're meant to live, and not what we're meant to live with
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Old May 06, 2018, 08:21 PM
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I agree that we need more mental health awareness. However policing people over it seems a bit totalitarian. Big brother is watching, ya know?
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Mental Health Police! To Protect & Serve...um, stuff. I forget...my memory...

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As an abuse victim myself, I will tell you - I REALLY hate the excuse "well, my aunt/uncle/mother/father/etc abused me in the past, so it was just something I did without thinking ... I'm sorry". You know what that is? An "accepted excuse" meaning society has decided "ok, we will let this EXCUSE slide even though we know by no means is it a true REASON". Then, society at large went around reciting it enough everyone believes it. And now, more and more things a parent does to punish their child is deemed as abuse. So, as the ranges of abuse change, so to does the number of "acceptable abuse" ( meaning the poor abuser was abused in their past so this crime is only mentionable as an "inevitable result of the abuse"

Abuse victims are often looked down upon while abusers are given "free tickets for sympathy" such as this. Rape victims are made to prove they not only were raped but did not in some way "ask for it" or "encourage it". Victims of domestic abuse, if too afraid to attend court are brought up on charges and jailed while their abuser walks free.

I'm so sick of abusers being given free passes and excuses and allowed to repeat again with next to no type of punishment.

You may say, well it is what a person knows or has been taught if abused in childhood. Let me ask you this, when you grew into adulthood and got out from under your parents, did your views on things ever change? Do you truly believe an abused child doesn't ever look around and notice other parents don't treat their kids this way...and eventually figure out, it's wrong?
Yeah, I agree with this. Every one takes situations they are dealt with differently. You might grow up in a nice home with a loving family and become a serial killer, or you might grow up in a terrible home with an abusive family and become a doctor. Just because you had a rough childhood, doesn't mean that you can give someone else a rough childhood. Especially your own kids, who would want to do that? Yet, people do it.

All it means is that you never got the help you needed. If you had such a rough life that you have to give other people a miserable life, then you definitely need help.
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