I want a mental health police

Hm, I wrote a response to you yesterday Rincad but for some reason it did not post. I apologize. I am not in a good mind to answer right now though so will do so another time. I will tell you this much. I have a very forgiving nature n do not wish anyone to have "punishment" or "pay" but there are other more logical reasons behind this approach.

They hurt you badly and very horridly, when your in the right mind please reply. But is it because they totally disabled you? Is that the main logic? I think an issue here is what if they don't have a job and they can't pay? They might continue and not care if you call a police. Even then they can act normal around they police. If you are suffering abuse find a way to record it and show it the police. Then they can't back out. I keep mentioning putting this out there so it actually happens. You need the inner government of the state or town to agreee with you. Since you need them to pay. It's a whole process that might be worth while.

Ok - so here it is:

When you are abused to the point of incapacity, you have something taken from you. You then must learn to live without it. You can "recover", but you will never be "the same". So - you, in essence, have to learn a whole new way of life. That's what counselors and doctors and pharmacists and alternative therapies are for. Now, see, this would not be an issue had you been born with it - because it would just be "life" then. You would already know how to deal with it. The doctor bills would already be part of your finances. Your job would be one that allowed for your disability. I was born with seizures. I have never known life without them. So - they are just a part of me. But, when someone abuses you to the point of incapacity, suddenly you are faced with a change of lifestyle, a loss of finances, and more expenses than you originally had. How do you deal with that? You did not cause this to happen and you were not born with it, why should you then be "punished" because you cannot pay for it? These are reasons a person seeks disability based upon psychological reasons. The problem with that though is sooner or later, that money you paid in to social security that allowed you to receive disability in the first place, will run out. At that point - you are in essence, living off the government or taxpayers. The problem with this though is neither the government nor the taxpayers did this to you either. Why then should they be "punished" or struggle to pay it as they often do? Should the responsibility not be placed on the person who caused the problem to occur in the first place?

I understand that. But they might be able to pay and sometimes they won't. You can legally control a person. At the same time they might run. So that that becomes a problem. So a law must be made for this. I think he end if they run and run they eventually be placed in prison for a couple years for avoidance of paying. I do think if your mentally incapacitated than yes they should pay. They caused it so yes. But if you aren't than it's not going to work. That's how it's not going to be abused.

What y'all are missing is criteria and the whole lose process cess less fess. You guys need to make it happen or you'll never see this come to light.

That's why they have bracelets now - which keep track of the person - and wage garnishment. All this would take care of that without making tax payers pay extra money on jails and food and other costs for prison n prisoner upkeep n executions.

It they can take it off. I don't want to be difficult. I know a girl whose boyfriend ran away with her. He cut it off ,he's out now. But it's a good idea, but monthly checkups would still be nessary to make sure they don't do this.

Check ups are fine. They need to have therapy too anyway - which amounts to another type of check up. But that too - they can be responsible for the bill, not the tax payer, in fact it generally is that way with probation. So - I have no problem with that, just as long as others stop having the responsibility of paying for their wrong doing.

I know this will sound crazy, but I was imagining the mental health police as some sort of imperial guard, because that's the only way the events can be tracked and treated.
Have a mental health policeman stationary or patrolling "hot zones" and manage them, just like surveillance, except through the eyes, mind and heart of a guardian of the human psyche.

I heard of an app, that is very smiliar to your idea. I can't remember what's it called or if it's in delvopment, sorry. But it's for if your spouse is abusing you or something and it records it and calls police. You can switch apps to hide it form them. I can't remember where I read it or anything but that. I read about earlier this year Lear fear cear gear.( please ignore that) maybe it's a start.

Police don't listen to people ... they handcuff or shoot them
Why should people listen to police? Besides the power they hold ... the same power
your boss has for sexual harassment on you!

Not true. Police are meant to stop bad things from happening.
Yet, some thing are unfortunately passed on for various reasons, but it doesn't mean those kind of incidents shouldn't have been stopped

NAMI supports prevention. https://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Publ...Mental-Illness

It's such a complex issue. Difficult to compare growing up with severe abuse in a middle class family vs growing up with severe abuse with all the cards stacked against you-poor, no access to therapy or medications, mentored by gangs, mother addicted to crack, violence all around you, uneducated parents, etc. It's not an excuse, but environment does have an impact.

I have a good deal of trauma in my history. I've also had accomplishments despite adversity. As a teen mom, I still managed to get college degrees. I didn't have help from parents or child care subsidies or financial assistance, as it was nonexistent back then. I worked 40 hours just on the weekend, then later 2 jobs, to put myself through school. The danger lies in the thinking--I got by with no safety net and did X, therefore, everyone else can do the same; so let's eliminate social programs....

Anyone of us could have been in the jail had we been born in the shoes of the jailee. For example, I was born with dissociative defenses that served as a response to trauma. Another person could respond to my trauma with aggression. I don't think moral goodness or righteousness explains it, in all honesty.

Also-not referring to anyone here in this thread, but often an abusive person will claim to be abused; when in fact, they are the ones being the most abusive. Or both play a role. I see it in some of the blog posts here.

There may be officers who are bad and shoot and cuff, but there are also some good ones out there, who take the time to listen too.

This is a great reply Rayne, including the part about goodness or righteousness... that's also how I see it. To me personally, a mental health police and justice system is a dystopian nightmare. Not every kind of problem is solved by police and the justice system [just thinking of the war on drugs for example]. In the end any such system would be coopted by the powerful. Will people record each and every interaction starting from birth, if nothing else, to protect themselves from accusations?

NO ... they are not therapists... as many police have told me ... We are here to arrest people!

You think you have it all figured out when you say such concept will be cooped by the powerful. The past does not determine the future

A mental health police is important. Why? Because the ENTIRE mental health field is UTOPIAN! It reaches into our brain - what has perceived our existence ever since we came to evolution!
And if mental health is considered as physical as physical health, then mental violence HAS to be enforced as physical violence!

So I'll put it this way, the dystopia already started with the mental health field, where victims are put the blame on instead of those who MAKE them into victims in the first place, and those kind of issues are NOT addressed

This happems in the world in general not JUST in the mental health field. How eould you propose being sble to enforce anything ehen much of ir is "he said/she said" & that kind of evidence does NOT stand up in court....

Bright ideas on something needed doesn't put together ALL the details to make it work fairly to ALL....So provide the details you want that eill protect everyone involved in the best way possible....not just from one side ir the other

No, protection is one-sided. If someone is robbed, the robbed needs protection and justice done for them, and the robber needs to be punished

If the perdon saying they are robbed & sets up someone to look loke the robber then the person claiming to habe been robbed is the one needing punished.....& it may NOT be easy to ever see the set up by the person claiming it....then is the punishment of who is claimed to be the robber REALLY fair?

No, not at all

This is an example of a cognitive error called 'mind reading'.

to all

Golden rule - error causes error
Your previous argument is of "Slippery Slope" fallacy.
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Sorry, don't see your correlation. Could you please clarify. One can NEVER read another person's mind accurately ("you have it ALL figured out")thus causing an error in understanding ("cognative error"). There is no fallacy in that. Just because someone says something against something doesn't mean they have it ALL figured out they just have THAT PART of it figured out....NOT ALL.

So not sure what your statement was actually referring to.

I was clearly talking about their previous argument: