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I told her that I always want/need a response if I email her. I will tell her if I don't need one, so we are kind of the opposite as most on here. This is so dang confusing at times!! I still think you are right!! It should be part of their job to return phone calls/emails! If those got excessive from a client, I can see where there needs to be a limit and strict boundaries. |
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So, every T is different and I also think they struggle with email. In the past, it was just phone calls, and the T could end the call and it's done with. It was easier. Though I have to admit I would call my T back a second time sometimes because I wasn't satisfied with the call. Peaches, I'm sorry emailing is still such a trigger for you. I think Tay had some good advice about it. I think YOU have to change because your T doesn't seem able to even though she knows your feelings about it. It doesn't mean she doesn't care about you; it just means she's not perfect, or she's doing it because she doesn't want you to expect so much from her. Is that a possibility? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Just a week ago I too would have said, "I know I should not take it personally ".... but..... I called T's voice mail at dawn thirty last Thurs morning and said, about those two extremely upsetting things that I told you will be happening in my workplace today and tomorrow, I don't usually do this but if you have any words of encouragement for me, I could sure use them." I was in tears when I called. Now we are five days down the road, and I haven't heard from her. Thanks for all the support, T. The idea of cancelling my Wed appointment keeps coming up; there is just not bloody much she could say that would (in my opinion) justify her getting a phone call from a very upset client looking for reinforcement, and not giving any reply. I have never felt so keenly that I am just a job to her, and I don't want to talk to her about it. Much worse, all the issues we have been working through for all this time suddenly seem very laughable, very pointless. They're my issues, not hers, what on earth am I bothering her for? |
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(((((((((sawe)))))))))))
OH wow, how painful ![]() Remember that there is always the possibility that she didn't get your message for whatever reason, or that she is out of town, or sick, or any number of things. I know once I called my T and left a message and there was something really wrong with his voice mail and he didn't get any messages for 2 days. It stinks, but it happens sometimes. I can easily see my T not calling back in that situation if he got the message the next day (after the thing that I needed support for was over). And that would make me super angry, actually, and I would tell him. I'm glad you're going to your session... because that way if she DIDN'T get your message, you'll find out. And if she DID and didn't call, you can tell her how that makes you feel. I know you know it's okay to be angry and hurt, and to TELL her that you are angry and hurt. Hugs to you, dear (((((((sawe))))))) Waiting for a call and not getting it is just excruciating. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Hi Sunrise, I understand what you're saying. But I'm not sure that t's job only involves the fee for service 60 minutes. But maybe I am wrong. In my job, i do specific work projects for a specific price. I actually bid on the job based on the work involved and how long it will take me. Then, based on an agreement with my client, exactly that amount of money is budgeted for me to do the work. However, I'm not paid for the time I spend on emails and phone calls with that person related to the work I'm doing. Still, I'm expected to take those email and phone calls and reply to them. Isn't that the same situation with my t? She's a salaried employee of the hospital she works at. She's not in private practice. So she's paid for the job she does, and some of that job involves work outside the therapy hour. For example, writing up therapy notes, contacting insurance companies to get approval for additional sessions, etc. Wouldn't occasional emails from clients about their therapy apply too? I'm not trying to be argumentative. Just trying to understand why email and phone messages are considered a regular part of my job but not hers. Right now, I'm leaning on just not emailing anymore at all period. |
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Preacherheckler, Hmmm. Well, I guess I could think of my t as modeling self-care. But in a job setting, are we allowed to put our own needs first, ahead of our customers? I've always been taught that the customer should come first. But like I told Sunrise, maybe i am wrong in my thinking. I just am not sure. I think part of the problem is that for a long, long time, my t always replied to my email messages. For a few years. It has only been in the last year or so that she has started to tell me she doesn't have the time. So it has felt bad having her take away something that I've been used to having from her. |
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But peaches... your question was not something only your T and not anybody else could answer... you could easily google it.
if you are in a company and customer comes with a request that they could easily do themselves... should they be put up and others with more important issues come after? maybe your T is feeling you are getting better and don't need her so much anymore..
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I've been trying to think of an illustration to explain how i feel. This may not be a good one, but I'll try . . .
Let's say you have a war vet, and they have PTSD from being shot at in the war. So, every time they hear a sound similar to a gunshot, they go into a full-blown reaction (ducking, covering their head, freaking out). Now let's say they have a next door neighbor that is familiar with their PTSD and how terrifying it is for their trauma to be triggered. Now let's say that neighbor decides to go out and set off fireworks outside, and his neighbor totally panics and freaks out. No, he is not being shot at literally, but it "feels" like it because his trauma has been triggered. Let's say he tells his neighbor how it makes him feel when sudden fireworks are set off. But the neighbor does it again a few days later. And then again 3 weeks later. Then again. . . Well, my core trauma has to do with feeling unimportant, insignificant, unworthy, and left alone when in danger or unprotected. Nobody being there when i really needed them. I also had instances where i really needed my mom, but would get in trouble for calling her at work when she was busy. My t knows this, and she knows that when i email her at work with a concern and she says she's too busy or doesn't respond, it triggers the old strong pain for me. Yet she still does it. Now just like that war vet, I know that she is not literally rejecting me and saying that I'm insignificant and unimportant and that i don't matter. But it "feels" that way because it triggers my old trauma. Then why keep doing it again and again again? Especially when, instead of saying, "I'm too busy to reply to your concern right now," she could have just typed a short answer to my concern? |
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I don't know. I guess i am just wrong all around.
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Maybe she is trying to train you for the real world instead of accomodating you in your bad perceptions?
have you been working on the self-worth issue? How?
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I know that I don't want my kids to grow up and think that taking care of themselves is unimportant...so part of my job as a parent is modeling good self-care...showing them how I use coping skills to get through hard times, exercising, making time for friends, getting enough rest (well, okay, I don't model that last one very well). My parents' version of "self-care" was drinking. Watching my T model good boundaries and good self care (and watching him do it without guilt!) has been huge for me in my healing. ![]() ![]() ![]() I KNOW this is so painful for you, peaches. I think there comes a time when we have to work on our own reactions to things that are out of our control. Maybe you and T could talk about ways you can cope when she is too busy to respond. I have some things that I can do....knit and watch a show on my computer, go for a walk, look for books on amazon that I can get from the library...that can sometimes take my mind out of whatever spiraly loop it's in, at least for a while. But it takes time, and work, and practice, and it's not easy, that's for sure. I am hoping it gets easier with time. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Hi Peaches,
I think you have a valid question about what Ts job should include. I think it must vary depending on where the T works. My T is in private practice and she doesn't even have a computer in her office, so I know that any time she spends replying to emails is pretty much her own personal time. If your T is salaried, I guess I would depend on the hospitals policy, and how many clients they put on her weekly schedule and what other things are expected of her in her non-therapy time, like reports, phone calls, etc. But if you think about it, if a T gets an email from 30 clients a week and takes only 5 minutes to respond, (which is a low estimate) that would add up to 2 and a half hours a week! I think that is a lot of time to spend emailing... |
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Hi PTSDlovemycats, At least i know i'm not the only one who feels this way. And i agree, typing "yes" or "no" is just as easy (if not quicker) than typing back that she is too busy to reply. That's why it confuses me how she sticks to her guns and refuses. It makes me think that there is more going on than her just not having the time to respond. I think she is trying to lessen my dependence on her. And while i understand that, it still hurts. ![]() |
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Maybe my t wants that: for me to learn to tolerate having to wait and the negative feelings that come with it. But if that's true, then why doesn't she just tell me that??? Instead of using the "I'm busy."?? In a way, it feels kind of dishonest to use the busy reason if that's not really the reason. But all i can do is take my t at her word, which is that she really "is" too busy. Though, like we said, it doesn't make sense when she could have just responded Yes or No. |
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Hi Crash&Burn, I'm glad your t responds with a paragraph or two. My t used to do that. That's probably why it hurts so much now that she won't. If you can, try not to get "too" used to her replying, just in case the situation changes someday and she can't continue to give you that same level of support. I would never want you to go through what i am going through. |
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That's nice that you can put yourself in your t's place and respect her time like that. I didn't feel that i was asking tons from her. I don't call or email her when she's at home, at nights, or on weekends. Only a couple of times each week, during her workweek. But i guess that's too much also. |
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Hi Dr. Muffin, Thanks for explaining your opinion and why you sometimes choose to delay answering an email question. You said the question i asked about disorganized attachment wasn't one that could be quickly answered. So maybe that's why my t didn't want to spend the time on it. But on my next session, she didn't refer to earlier email question or answer it. So it didn't get answered at all. Sorta made me feel that she did view it (and me) as unimportant. I should have brought it up again myself but i just let it go. |
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why add "and me"? Maybe the question was not that important at the moment as you talked other stuff.
That does not mean she views you as a person unimportant..
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I think that therapists will often let the client lead the session. Usually what we bring up is what is the most important to us at that time. We need to choose the topics that are bothering us the most. I don't believe that her not addressing something you mentioned in an email is any indication that she thinks you're unimportant. Yes, if it were important to you, you should have brought it up.
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Peaches: But on my next session, she didn't refer to earlier email question or answer it. So it didn't get answered at all.
Suratji: I think that therapists will often let the client lead the session. Usually what we bring up is what is the most important to us at that time [etc] I have to say something here, hope that is OK If a question is asked by the Client (by any method) between sessions, and isn't answered by the T before the next sessoin, I have to think that a response is due to the client. Yes n next session Client can and should bring up what may be pressing, whether that or something else, but somewhere (IMO) the T is obliged to acknowledge that a question was asked, and at least find out whether Client still considers it important enough to include in the session. If no, fine. But if the answer is yes, then T should have had enough time by now to put some thought into an answer. Think about yr business contacts IRL. If you called or emailed with a question and never heard one word, you'd feel you due a response in a reasonable amount of time. Unusual circumstances are just that; but nonresponsiveness is unprofessional; and unfortunately one's silence can be interpreted by the other person in just about any way. The best thing is for T to inquire, and not hang everything on the client. there now I will stop ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Believe me, it took a mammoth amount of work on my part to get to "that place". I had bombarded my previous t every day for 2 yrs before she had a breakdown and terminated our therapeutic relationship. |
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I do think it is not the T's role to avoid our triggers, but yet I do understand the pain you feel when your T repeatedly does this thing that triggers you. As I've written about here on PC, my T began sitting in session with his laptop open next to him and sometimes looking at it while we are in the middle of talking. Sometimes he typed on it. I am very triggered by this and have spoken to him about it. After discussing several times, he has finally begun to consistently leave his laptop closed and out of our therapy area when I am there. I am very grateful that he has accommodated my wishes on this! I'm trying to think, well what's so different about Peaches' situation, and I think for me, it comes down to that you are asking her to do something outside of session whereas I am asking T to do something during our session (our paid time together). That's what's different to me. For example, if you got frustrated with T because during your session you asked her several questions and she didn't answer, then I think yes you should bring it up and she should try to accommodate your wish not to be ignored.
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I'm starting to wonder if i should get a new t. Not because my t is doing anything wrong. But maybe I've gotten too attached to her, and it's making things hard for me, such as not being able to accept her email boundaries. We've worked together a long time. Maybe i need a different sort of therapy to move forward.
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