[continuosly blue]

Hi all,
I'm sure what I'm going to say has been said before somewhere
else. But please indulge me here. I'm going to play devils advocate
and put forth the following.
Psychotherapy or the " talking cure " is the biggest "freud ", uh I mean fraud
perpetuated on mankind by a single individual.
All I need is a couple or even just one good friend to talk to, and some good
meds ,( if needed ).
OK fire away !!!!!!!!!

continuosly blue
( cb for short )

[pbutton]

I'm quite certain that even the greatest friend wouldn't be able to sit quietly through my rage, listening carefully while trying to come up with adjustments that I could make to change my patterns . Most normal people would either be scared or angry and feel the need to defend themselves. In my case a trained impartial listener is a MUST.

[unaluna]

Freud himself is said to have agreed with you, cb, as he posited, "Ah, but where would one find such a friend?" or as we would say now, good luck with that!

[Wren_]

I would like a friend like that also ... ahh, think of the savings
meanwhile I'm thankful for "the talking cure"

[CantExplain]

Originally Posted by continuosly blue

Psychotherapy or the " talking cure " is the biggest "freud ", uh I mean fraud perpetuated on mankind by a single individual.

I'm sure Karl Marx would be pleased to hear that! What a relief!

[growlycat]

Psychotherapy has been credited to Freud, but many, many others have come after him who have shaped it into the science it is today. Many of Freud's ideas were groundbreaking, but many of his ideas turned out to be wrong too. Psychology is a science because many have tested, proved or disproved others' theories.

Science has few "laws" (law of gravity!) --even ideas with loads of evidence need to be proven absolutely first. Psychology is ever changing to fit the latest research.

[sittingatwatersedge]

Originally Posted by continuosly blue

All I need is a couple or even just one good friend to talk to

I have just one close friend IRL who can listen and not judge (or at least, keep her judgments to herself) but even she has the impulse to reach in & fix things.
A T won't do that, but will guide you to find the answers within yourself.

Sounds to me continuous as if you want people to come on side with you so then you can justify why perhaps the thought of "the talking cure" deep down scares you?

All each of us is our own experience and the talking cure has been my saviour. But in saying that its not just talking is it? Its being vunrable too, and its also about someone else helping you understand what you are really saying and if the thought of all that feels scary then of course one will devalue it.

[unaluna]

gee we've all been so supportive for so long, we can't even fight good anymore! embarrassing!

Why don't you create a thread that will satisfy your need for drama? Then we can all be good and embarrassed lol!!!

[unaluna]

oops, no I thought you had a very wise and intriguing post. i'm just not seeing controversy, which i'm saying is a good thing. like we forgot how to fight. like what if they gave a war and nobody came, as we used to say in the 60's. peace, bro!

I was joking with u hankster!

[unaluna]

I only understand my own jokes! unless u S P E L L T H E M O U T !

Please say you understand mine!!!!! Lol

I think that people who are in therapy have heard this so many times (from ourselves and other people) that this conversation just isn't all that interesting any more. It's like people who want to start a big debate with me because I'm a vegetarian. I've been one for so long, that I don't even want to discuss it and I certainly don't want to fight about it. We've been through this conversation before and we know where we stand on it. T is one thing and friends are another. That's that.

[sittingatwatersedge]

Originally Posted by lucydog

I think that people who are in therapy have heard this so many times (from ourselves and other people) that this conversation just isn't all that interesting any more. It's like people who want to start a big debate with me because I'm a vegetarian. I've been one for so long, that I don't even want to discuss it and I certainly don't want to fight about it. We've been through this conversation before and we know where we stand on it. T is one thing and friends are another. That's that.

well, PC has new people coming in all the time, and to them it may not be an old question. I think the archives only go back something like 9587473 posts, for someone who blathers a lot like me that's not very far so I say, ask away, new folk, and those who are not inclined to discuss probably won't.

[Perna]

For starters, the term, "talking cure" was first used by a patient, Bertha Pappenheim, who was treated by an Austrian physician, Josef Breuer for "hysteria", 1880-82. She was pleased with her treatment.

So, I reject that anything was "perpetrated on" anyone, much less all of mankind, but is merely a good-seeming-to-me shorthand way of describing one's successful psychotherapy. That which one does not feel was successful, is obviously not a "cure".

[CantExplain]

Originally Posted by earthmamma

Why don't you [Hankster] create a thread that will satisfy your need for drama? Then we can all be good and embarrassed lol!!!

Hankster hasn't started a thread on this forum since October. Interesting.

[unaluna]

that recently?!

[ECHOES]

I have many friends, but none who have the training and skill to hear with the third ear, the ear that hears what I'm saying and what I'm not saying. Nor does a friend have the level of interest or commitment needed.

Sure, friends can also be confidant's, but it takes more than just talking 'to' someone. If it only took talking 'to' someone, I could talk to the wall.

[Wren_]

For starters, the term, "talking cure" was first used by a patient, Bertha Pappenheim, who was treated by an Austrian physician, Josef Breuer for "hysteria", 1880-82. She was pleased with her treatment.

didn't know that, thanks!

[CantExplain]

Originally Posted by Perna

For starters, the term, "talking cure" was first used by a patient, Bertha Pappenheim, who was treated by an Austrian physician, Josef Breuer for "hysteria", 1880-82. She was pleased with her treatment.

"It was better than the leeches, anyway," she said.

[unaluna]

Originally Posted by cantexplain

"it was better than the leeches, anyway," she said.