... So I have an ongoing thing of not getting some papers ( social benefit stuff)
from my T ( who is a pdoc )

Now I terminated therapy and medicine a month ago. T promised to send some papers wich have not been done.

So wonder if I should go to my gp and have him fill them out?

I think I have sort of who hate that. He has seen me twice during an anxiety attack but I don´t want to my psych issues in my gp records.

How would you feel? Would you try again and again to contact t or just go to your gp and spill your heart out aaaaalllll over again to some almost stranger just to get some paperwork done?...

[Chopin99]

I'm not really sure how good my advice can be considering that I know my GP pretty well and he manages my psych meds and he was the one who originally picked up on my depression. I would go with my GP. Good luck to you...I hope you figure out what is right for you to do!

[bluemountains]

Doesn't your gp want all of your health records when treated by a specialist? My gp sent me to a pdoc, but she follows up with me concerning my mental health.
It seems to me, though, that your pdoc/t isn't being very professional if he will not complete paperwork for you.

[critterlady]

My GP gets test results from all of my other doctors, but I don't think she gets reports from all of them, so she wouldn't know what meds they prescribed unless I tell her (which I do). Since I do, she could fill out almost any paperwork required.

She doesn't know details of my therapy, though. I've signed releases for she and my T to talk to each other, but they never have as far as I'm aware.

[unaluna]

you might need to make an appointment with your T to get the papers filled out, as it would have to be a current evaluation, and it seems like you haven't seen her in months, and some T's just won't fill them out (if it's for USA social security, they aren't required to, as far as I know). And if it's like for mental disability, it would have to be from a T, it wouldn't count coming from a gp. sorry if i'm out of line on my answer, but I don't really understand what you mean by "social benefit", so i'm just kind of guessing?

[SallyBrown]

Have you tried contacting T since you last posted this question?

Originally Posted by hankster

you might need to make an appointment with your T to get the papers filled out, as it would have to be a current evaluation, and it seems like you haven't seen her in months, and some T's just won't fill them out (if it's for USA social security, they aren't required to, as far as I know). And if it's like for mental disability, it would have to be from a T, it wouldn't count coming from a gp. sorry if i'm out of line on my answer, but I don't really understand what you mean by "social benefit", so i'm just kind of guessing?

Don´t think I need a new appointment as we discussed it in a termination session a month ago ( after I had not seen her in months, yes)and she knows what it is all about. Social benefit would mean.. finacial support while being sick or looking for a job... Social security might be a better word. English is not my native language..Maybe some kind of private insurance I have paid for since I graduated years ago...oh well point is I am not able to work in my field anymore T suggested it do to anxiety ( PTSD) and they just need a doctor to fill in the paperwork to state that, so I won´t have a forced imployment in that field again ,while being on whatever you call it and looking elsewhere So I was just wondering as I posted if T who has been treating me for the work related issuses and said I should not work in my proffesion anymore or my gp who I barely know could fill in those papers and what to do since T "is not available"

[Eliza Jane]

I'm wondering if there is a specific answer you are hoping that we will give you. A lot of us responded to this same question before. Are you hoping for a different type of reply?

I'll share my point of view again: I think your T has shown herself to be unreliable. I also think your T may be angry with you and may disagree with your decision to terminate treatment. That doesn't make her actions right at all, but it suggests that it is going to be very hard to get her to fill out the paperwork. Since you need the paperwork and it will be hard (if not impossible) to get her to do it, you need to make other arrangements. It's not fair, but it's true.

Good luck,
EJ

[pbutton]

When is the last time you asked your T about this paperwork?

If you haven't discussed this paperwork with the pdoc/T since terminating a month ago, you will probably need to make contact again, perhaps fax the paperwork again, to remind her about it. Don't assume she remembers the conversation or has had it on her mind for the last month. When you contact her, specifically ask if she will do the paperwork, find out if there is a fee for doing it (that wouldn't be unusual as that kind of paperwork is very time-consuming), and by what date it will be completed. Find out it it will be sent to you, or directly to whatever agency it is going to. It it will be sent directly, ask for a written confirmation noting that date it gets mailed/faxed out. If she says she cannot do it for whatever reason (and be sure you get a clear yes or no when you contact her), then move on to the GP and work through the GP (doing all the same as above).

Originally Posted by farmergirl

If you haven't discussed this paperwork with the pdoc/T since terminating a month ago, you will probably need to make contact again, perhaps fax the paperwork again, to remind her about it. Don't assume she remembers the conversation or has had it on her mind for the last month. When you contact her, specifically ask if she will do the paperwork, find out if there is a fee for doing it (that wouldn't be unusual as that kind of paperwork is very time-consuming), and by what date it will be completed. Find out it it will be sent to you, or directly to whatever agency it is going to. It it will be sent directly, ask for a written confirmation noting that date it gets mailed/faxed out. If she says she cannot do it for whatever reason (and be sure you get a clear yes or no when you contact her), then move on to the GP and work through the GP (doing all the same as above).

I am very sorry I asked almost the same question twice Think maybe I should not really ask what should I do in order to get those papers filled in and from whom, but adress WHY i am still stuck and whats so triggering irl in order to have this done. Sure is a trigger for me and I will think about why. Thank you for posting a reply....again.

Try to remember this is about paperwork; very impersonal really. It's just filling out forms, yadda yadda. So have you not taken any steps at all to get this done? What is your fear? Yes, your T/pdoc may so she won't/can't do it, but if she does it will be a business decision for her, not a personal one. And you have a second option, the GP. For you, it is all personal, but you need to try to approach this as all business. It is stuff that just has to get done one way or another.

When my sister became so ill and had to have her bone marrow transplant, it was clear that working was something in her life that was never going to be possible for her again. I sat with her once we got her home from the hospital and spent hours and hours filling out the paper work for her because she was physically unable to write at that point. I asked the questions and she answered and I wrote what she told me to write. It was very personal to us both, and we would have liked to just not have to do it in the first place, but it had to get done. So, we put on our business faces and forced our way through pages and pages of questions and years and years of medical history. Staying stuck and not doing it because it was scary to look at and pretty depressing to go over was just something that we had to realize was just not an option.

Just make yourself do what you have to do because this really is a business matter in your life that you are just going to have to force your way through. Pick up the phone and get started. The getting started is the biggest hurdle.

Originally Posted by lonelybychoice

I am very sorry I asked almost the same question twice Think maybe I should not really ask what should I do in order to get those papers filled in and from whom, but adress WHY i am still stuck and whats so triggering irl in order to have this done. Sure is a trigger for me and I will think about why. Thank you for posting a reply....again.

--- Maybe this is what I have been wondering about and why I thought it was a tegnigue by used by therapist... "Skillful frustration is a technique used in Gestalt Therapy where the therapist refuses to meet a client's expectations or demands in an effort to help the client see how often he or she tries to manipulate others into meeting his/her needs..."
That would make sence and this has been the ongoing theme... oh well fair enough
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_sk...#ixzz2135O6qjQ

[pbutton]

I don't think you were trying to manipulate your T. You were asking for appointments and for her to complete paperwork. Those are basic functions of a therapist. It really doesn't sound like you were trying to persuade her to do something inappropriate. It doesn't sound like skillfull frustration would be appropriate.

[Crescent Moon]

If you are no longer being treated by your pdoc, you'll probably have to try to get it done through your gp. I don't know what kind of paperwork you're talking about, but here in the US, I think disability paperwork has to be filled out by a treating physician who is currently treating you. So if you aren't being treated for the disabling condition, it might be hard.. and that's assuming I've made the right assumption here.

Originally Posted by Crescent Moon

If you are no longer being treated by your pdoc, you'll probably have to try to get it done through your gp. I don't know what kind of paperwork you're talking about, but here in the US, I think disability paperwork has to be filled out by a treating physician who is currently treating you. So if you aren't being treated for the disabling condition, it might be hard.. and that's assuming I've made the right assumption here.

Thank you all. I have just been reading a bit about gestalt therapy ( my T is using it her work ) but I did not connect is to this. Just could make perfect sense explaining her behaviour and me being stressed sometimes ( wich has also been helpfull in someways)

I am sorry I have a hard time explaning the benefit stuff so you can understand it ( even in my native langaue I am a bit confused when having to explain it in details.

So maybe just a" Lonelybychoice 4 years old" explanation;-)
First.... I met T ( also my P) when I was in a very very bad state of stress and anxiety mostly do to work issues. She " ordered a sickleave" and I was fired do that ( wich was ok) then she said I should persue another career ( after she met me twice) and because I was fired I had the right to social security ( sorry if that is not the right term) AND that she would write to socialservice to tell them that I could not work in my field and she recommend them helping me and financial supporting me in getting another education/ or just a mentor in another field. Then I would be able to work like everyone else not needing disability cause my condition is related to my old proffesion ( Oh well.)....well that never happend as I have posted about before.

So what happend is that she ignored me for three months and socialservice had me talk to every person on the planet and because they could not get medicalinformation from her the wanted another pdoc and a psychologist to evaluate me again ( for the third time the wonderd why she was not sending something). I do think it is the one who have treated you who should take responsibility, this is not impersonal yada yada stuff. It´s is traumatizing being evaluated and have to talk about childhood stuff and have to say I can`t work in my field over an over again.

I hate and have HUGE anxiety ( and I think Healed84 decsribes it well ) disclosing personal issuses I might be a bit more extreme though. So I basically said " I am all good and don´t want to be sick and on socialsecurity anymore ( Did not want to go throw yet another detailed description of my issues).
So I am now of to some private insurance thing but they work under the goverment and have to know that I am cabaple to work fulltime and why not in my proffession. ( I had to sign a form for that) T said okey she would sent it to the other place then. I have asked again two weeks ago for those who wonders.

I still think I am asking why the papers on my diagnosis and stuff is not being sent by T. Neither to social serurity or the private one. Thats why I keep processing and thinking hmm...

It´s not so much the money part ( well a bit ) but I am a big girl and would usually just go to a gp as you are all saying. It´s just a funny ( read horrible horrieble feeling) I have issues with opening up and talking about mental health proffessionels ( like I dissociated half the time in the sessions with t because it is triggering to to childhood stuff and I pust trust in her) Thats why I thought of skillfull frustration. Maybe she is telling me to deal with it in a way to help me and not be depending on her and make my own choices and if those are bad ( like declaring my self able to work fulltime in other field when she recommend otherwise, just take the consequence ( spelling) and if I escape another pdoc, just ignoring me so I will have to go to a gp and practice that. Hmm head is just spinning as you might have noticed ...it is just frustrating.
Looooong rant don´t even read it.

[Perna]

I am afraid what happened to you four years ago but which you have since denied (not taking medicine, not wanting further social security, etc.) is not going to be considered anymore, no matter who writes up the paperwork. That this other person said, at that time, you were not able and wanted you to find another career and you were fired from your job, etc. is not about your now/recent situation so I don't see how any paperwork will work on it now. For all anyone knows, you could work at that same career (just not that company), you could work full time, etc.; that you have not done any of those things based on this person who has not been treating you and does not appear to have treated you well and that you have refused treatment by them, etc. will probably negate things.

I would start again, fresh with someone, no revisit such a mess as arose from this past situation. It does not sound like you will get any more help from the psychiatrist and it does not sound like the GP will write up something about something he is not part of/does not "know". That you are anxious, etc. is "normal" based on your situation, whether you can work or not is not really known anymore? I would look for a job, part-time or full-time in the field of your choice, that you think you can get and try working and going to a doctor at the same time and then see what the current situation is and have the current doctor who will know you and your situation, deal with disability problems if they arise.

Originally Posted by Perna

I am afraid what happened to you four years ago but which you have since denied (not taking medicine, not wanting further social security, etc.) is not going to be considered anymore, no matter who writes up the paperwork. That this other person said, at that time, you were not able and wanted you to find another career and you were fired from your job, etc. is not about your now/recent situation so I don't see how any paperwork will work on it now. For all anyone knows, you could work at that same career (just not that company), you could work full time, etc.; that you have not done any of those things based on this person who has not been treating you and does not appear to have treated you well and that you have refused treatment by them, etc. will probably negate things.

I would start again, fresh with someone, no revisit such a mess as arose from this past situation. It does not sound like you will get any more help from the psychiatrist and it does not sound like the GP will write up something about something he is not part of/does not "know". That you are anxious, etc. is "normal" based on your situation, whether you can work or not is not really known anymore? I would look for a job, part-time or full-time in the field of your choice, that you think you can get and try working and going to a doctor at the same time and then see what the current situation is and have the current doctor who will know you and your situation, deal with disability problems if they arise.

Perna I think perhaps you misunderstood it is not something that happend 4 years ago . I think I was referring to the fact that I may sound like a child ( a four year old) when writing this post. But I must say that you have been postning the answer I maybe was hoping for... " Is does not sound like GP will write up something about something he is no part of and does not know .... Thats way I am in a bit of a dilemma here ..WHY should he and why should I even go to him in the first place. But since T is not responding I have to. She did promise to fill in the papers two weeks ago ....but that will never happend. The thought about looking for a job had crossed my mind... Thats why I am in this situation I was not allowed to look for a job in the social serioty system being " sick" so I will persue that suggestion. Thank you

Originally Posted by lonelybychoice

Perna I think perhaps you misunderstood it is not something that happend 4 years ago . I think I was referring to the fact that I may sound like a child ( a four year old) when writing this post. But I must say that you have been postning the answer I maybe was hoping for... " Is does not sound like GP will write up something about something he is no part of and does not know .... Thats way I am in a bit of a dilemma here ..WHY should he and why should I even go to him in the first place. But since T is not responding I have to. She did promise to fill in the papers two weeks ago ....but that will never happend. The thought about looking for a job had crossed my mind... Thats why I am in this situation I was not allowed to look for a job in the social serioty system being " sick" so I will persue that suggestion. Thank you

Just to make it clear it´s not a disability issue for me. I look at as I wan´t to work/ look for work again and I just need some doctor to write that I am cabable of that BUT not in my old proffession. ( The insurance or what you will call it will sent me out in a job like that right away and if I decline I will loose the money support while looking for another job) ...But who will do that based on not knowing me.

[Perna]

Oh, sorry! But it was months ago wasn't it? I don't know the situation with the job firing but it could have been the stress from what the original physician said or seemed to demand and put in motion. I would decide do I want the social security or do I want to try getting a job and starting "over" and then do that and not bother with this current "mess".

You are always allowed to look for a job but not when you are being treated and the doctor says it's not a good idea and you want to do what the doctor says but you do not have to agree with a particular doctor (as you have decided not to) so you could always decide to look for a job and not get social security. But, it sounds like you have figured that out and are doing that!

Originally Posted by Perna

Oh, sorry! But it was months ago wasn't it? I don't know the situation with the job firing but it could have been the stress from what the original physician said or seemed to demand and put in motion. I would decide do I want the social security or do I want to try getting a job and starting "over" and then do that and not bother with this current "mess".

You are always allowed to look for a job but not when you are being treated and the doctor says it's not a good idea and you want to do what the doctor says but you do not have to agree with a particular doctor (as you have decided not to) so you could always decide to look for a job and not get social security. But, it sounds like you have figured that out and are doing that!

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I am out and doing that I think it´s called and unemployment fund ( wich I pay for my self as an insurance in case of ...well unemployment;.) They still want papers though that I am able to work fulltime otherwise they will kick me out or worse sent me out in my old field ..hmm.. As for not taking medication it was not my idea but a natural step since T ( in the function of a Pdoc providing me meds ) was not responding. I am doing find and did not terminate on bad terms... this sort of situation just seems to be the ungoing theme of my therapy. I am hurt, don´t want to talk to another Pdoc or gp. I think of myself as a " working girl even a career girl" not a girl who are in the social system or posting about social benefit things on this forum. I think a year in the social system has me a bit messed up !!!
What I maybe should do is book an appointment with ex T bring in the papers have them filled out together AND have them in my hand when I walk out....If she wants to that is
Then I should tell her how I have felt everytime she´s ignoring me and not keeping her word.
And then I should ask IF...she thinks her actions were beneficial to me AND why she is treating me like this because right now I am "overposting" on a great forum with intelligent people who give me great advice AND I come a cross like a... ???!!!!### ...person spinning in circles when all I want to do is get my life as it was with work, responsibilities and being able to take care of myself back together. I think I need to confront her ( wich you clever people already advised) Then I can let go and hopefully have found a job pretty soon so I can see another T ...Come to think of it that might a good idea