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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:22 AM
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Can a therapist teach to get all of the knowledge all others attained by default?

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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:29 AM
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I am not sure that I understand what you are asking.

If you are talking about basic social skills and how to handle your emotions, then they can help.

No one attains things by default; they are taught. Aside from things like breathing and other bodily functions that we have very little conscious control over.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:31 AM
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er.. social skills are subjective and not even all persons have them nor display them.

I'm talking about standard knowledge most in society hold.

Though it seems you're threatened at others having them, but then the subjective feelings of others hold no water, do they?
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:32 AM
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Hmm... I would say so. If knowledge is what you are searching for in therapy, then there should be no reason why T cannot teach you fundamentals. Just ask, it can never hurt!
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:34 AM
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what fundamentals? I just want what all others attained. why is that so wrong? do you fear it?
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:37 AM
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Can a therapist teach to get all of the knowledge all others attained by default?
By learning who you are in therapy that leaves room for you to gain knowledge perhaps one missed out on gaining due to our internal world not having room for because of trauma?
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:38 AM
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I'm sorry to say that I have absolutely no idea what "knowledge" you are talking about that everyone has if it's facts and not skills.

Your T can teach you skills that you may be struggling with.

If you just want "facts" of knowledge, then can't you just google it?

I don't see how you can think that I am threatened by anything - I'm not. I'm perfectly alright with other people knowing things that I don't know. In fact I'm glad of it as I think life would be really boring if everyone knew the exact same things.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:38 AM
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There is no trauma. It's just all others were given normal/standard knowledge.

Er... pardon me, but I thought this was an equal society. so why was I denied?
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:40 AM
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I'm sorry to say that I have absolutely no idea what "knowledge" you are talking about that everyone has if it's facts and not skills.

Your T can teach you skills that you may be struggling with.

If you just want "facts" of knowledge, then can't you just google it?

I don't see how you can think that I am threatened by anything - I'm not. I'm perfectly alright with other people knowing things that I don't know. In fact I'm glad of it as I think life would be really boring if everyone knew the exact same things.
er.. it's a fact that people were handed knowledge. to deny it is silly.

But then yes, people are often threatened by others. You are, but then that's your own issue and not mine, nor am I logically the bad party necessarily if I threaten you (like most scenarios in life it depends on the instance). the fact is that most people attained standard knowledge, if all others can have it, so can I. who is to say I cannot?

The "t" can simply tell me which people were responsible for handing all others knowledge, and not me.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:42 AM
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I am not really understanding what you mean by normal/standard knowledge. Can you give an example so I/we can address your question more clearly?
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:44 AM
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I am not really understanding what you mean by normal/standard knowledge. Can you give an example so I/we can address your question more clearly?
er.. OK:

- Subjective morals
- Positive thinking
- Confidence is key in life

It's a fact that all others long ago were given this in life, so why not me? is there a reason?
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:49 AM
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No, people were not given all of those.

Morals are taught - through parents and other members in a community. Books and TV and movies also share morals (sometimes). Religions can share their morals with members.

Positive thinking and confidence are life skills. That many, many, many people are lacking. A T can in fact help you learn those.

They are not facts, nor are they standard knowledge. And it is not a fact that all others were given this. You are making assumptions about others and that is certainly not helping you gain confidence nor optimism.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:50 AM
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er.. OK:

- Subjective morals
- Positive thinking
- Confidence is key in life

It's a fact that all others long ago were given this in life, so why not me? is there a reason?
Okay, thank you. That helps a bit.

These are things that hopefully we learn as we grow up through living in a supportive environment. Even if that exists for a person, however, some people lack this "knowledge" to some extent due to their innate personality.

Others lack confidence, optimism, morals, etc. because they were raised in a very dysfunctional environment where these things were not modeled for them, or they were completely undermined by their experiences in life.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:52 AM
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But then yes, people are often threatened by others. You are, but then that's your own issue and not mine, nor am I logically the bad party necessarily if I threaten you (like most scenarios in life it depends on the instance). the fact is that most people attained standard knowledge, if all others can have it, so can I. who is to say I cannot?
Do NOT keep putting words in to my mouth. I did NOT say that you cannot having the skills others have learned. I am NOT threatened by you but I am angry that you would keep insisting that you know what is in my mind.

I have been trying to help you but your question has been unclear, and instead of being polite and explaining, you insult me.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:52 AM
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i disagree.

all other people at a young age were taught. it's a fact, and to deny it is foolhardy.

i have plenty of confidence, but i simply want the rights/tools all others received. sorry, maybe you live in China or something, but i was raised in a free country. we treat people by and large where we are from.

that said, it's a fact that others all received/attained it, and the subjective values of people won't dissuade that. If all of my contemporaries attained it, then I can also. who are you or anybody else to say otherwise?
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:53 AM
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Okay, thank you. That helps a bit.

These are things that hopefully we learn as we grow up through living in a supportive environment. Even if that exists for a person, however, some people lack this "knowledge" to some extent due to their innate personality.

Others lack confidence, optimism, morals, etc. because they were raised in a very dysfunctional environment where these things were not modeled for them, or they were completely undermined by their experiences in life.
eh? No, it's because others were told and I was not. Why not?

it's a fact that all other younger people were told outright, yet not me, OK.. lol.. that makes sense.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:53 AM
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Do NOT keep putting words in to my mouth. I did NOT say that you cannot having the skills others have learned. I am NOT threatened by you but I am angry that you would keep insisting that you know what is in my mind.

I have been trying to help you but your question has been unclear, and instead of being polite and explaining, you insult me.
lol. yes you are. and frankly I don't need to care if you are threatened. lol.. look, this is basic social skills, if you're threatened then the right or wrong of it is dependent on the context.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:59 AM
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Okay, thank you. That helps a bit.

These are things that hopefully we learn as we grow up through living in a supportive environment. Even if that exists for a person, however, some people lack this "knowledge" to some extent due to their innate personality.

Others lack confidence, optimism, morals, etc. because they were raised in a very dysfunctional environment where these things were not modeled for them, or they were completely undermined by their experiences in life.
What's more, I disagree totally.

I believe you and persons like you select who receives this common knowledge based on your own whims. yet you cite how "good" it is to be nice to children. yet you condemn others who are bad to children? lol.. do you comprehend normal social behaviour/relations? whatever, i don't want a reply from an evil person...
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 08:03 AM
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No, people were not given all of those.

Morals are taught - through parents and other members in a community. Books and TV and movies also share morals (sometimes). Religions can share their morals with members.

Positive thinking and confidence are life skills. That many, many, many people are lacking. A T can in fact help you learn those.

They are not facts, nor are they standard knowledge. And it is not a fact that all others were given this. You are making assumptions about others and that is certainly not helping you gain confidence nor optimism.
they are facts. society says it's a fact that morality is subjective/non-existent.

you know what? if somebody asked me this thread, i would assist them and help them get what they want. I wouldn't be threatened by them and by my subjective feelings. lol..
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 08:03 AM
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What's more, I disagree totally.

I believe you and persons like you select who receives this common knowledge based on your own whims. yet you cite how "good" it is to be nice to children. yet you condemn others who are bad to children? lol.. do you comprehend normal social behaviour/relations? whatever, i don't want a reply from an evil person...
You insist on responding with hostility to any ideas others try to share with you; therefore, I will abstain from responding to you any further.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 08:04 AM
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good.

what i said was essentially true though, and i often hold very accurate suspicions. I respond with "hostility" since you claim there is no normal knowledge yet you're threatened of others holding it for some irrational reason.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 08:06 AM
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[QUOTE=A Red Panda;3470237]No, people were not given all of those.]/quote]

yes, they were.

Prove they were not.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 08:08 AM
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lulz.. i like how you people select who gets good counsel here. You didn't seemingly ignore Patoman's thread, but then i suspect you ALL are threatened. yeah, i must accept others' subjective projections.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 08:13 AM
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Is this for real???

I suggest asking your T to address your paranoia and hostility issues, and THEN the delusions regarding this standard knowledge that everyone gets in your head.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 08:16 AM
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Is this for real???

I suggest asking your T to address your paranoia and hostility issues, and THEN the delusions regarding this standard knowledge that everyone gets in your head.
er.. no.

but then yeah, you are hostile, then you bemoan hostility. ok, granted, you post "insight" about healthy behaviour but don't comprehend reciprocity.....

I do think though that:

- You get a kick about holding standard knowledge
- You don't seem to understand that others don't need to give a **** about your baseless views
- if others want advancement, and not be constrained by some silly spiritual agenda to deny others, then it's fine I don't need to care.
- All others were given this knowledge, you feel undermined, but then yeah, judging by your post above you don't have good social comprehension anyhow...
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