Worried that T will call the cops

I dont think anyone is saying she is lying, they are just pointing out what was posted by the op in previous postt.

Well, emptyspace said this which kind of sounds like she's doubting what growli is saying.

I don't see how that is different than saying she is lying.

Yes. Emptyspace is calling me a liar. And that's fine. She can carry on. I'm just going to ignore it because I happened to take a look at some of her older posts and I'm not the first person she's targeted. I'm also not going to fight with someone who is obviously just trying to cause drama and get attention which is interestingly enough the exact same thing she's accusing me of doing.

So go ahead. Call me a liar. Hell, tell me that I'm lying and triggering everyone and therefore I deserved everything that I "alleged" happened for all I care. I'm not going to feed the trolls.

Oh I apologize I never called growly a liar this is a very sensitive subject I know I'm a victim of CSa

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I hear stg come up a lot. What does that mean?

And growli, I believe you. I do. Because I understand that we repress memories, and only later on do they surface.



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Clearly the situation here is not ideal for you growli.

In times like this I think your primary focus should be on not making things worse for yourself.

Only you can decide exactly what constitutes worse.

Your therapist should realize this too and the decision to report, or not report, should be a mutual one between the two of you.

I think you should insist on this from your therapist, at least until your domestic situation sort of settles out a bit.

Repressed memories are often the subject of much dismissal and disbelief because there are lots of reports where they have proven to be inaccurate. There are also reports where they have been proven correct. As such, they remain the subject of controversy and, to some, disbelief.

It's just the way it is for now. As such, I also would caution against focusing too much on the absolute facts of the matter, but rather focus on the feelings surrounding that time. That's what hurting you - those feelings. In this instance, the facts can confuse, the feelings, however, can be quite clear.

I wish you the best with your music and hope things improve.

stg= something. Just too lazy to type

Growlithing - I do believe you, absolutely... Some csa survivors remember everything from the beginning, some forget the most painful parts and some "delete" all csa memories and such memories can come back after many years, during the thereapy etc. etc... Maybe emptyspace has read your earlier e-mails when you still thought that no csa has happened (from this what I remember most memories came back when you stayed at home during Xmas, right?) or maybe the reason of saying so by emptyspace was different - I have no idea but I do believe you...

I also know how difficult it is to tell someone about it and that you are worried that your parents will know that it was you who reported them and that no one will believe you and that everyone will think that you have everything made up... There is a chance that your siblings are "safe" (with respect to csa) and then all people could think that you lied - I cannot imagine worse things than not believing you - that was always my fear... However, you know how disappointing it was that no one helped you when you needed it, so if there is a risk that you siblings are also abused maybe it is really worth to safe at least them? Maybe you could talk to them first instead of reporting your parents? Or you could leave it as it is - it is your choice and I have no right to tell you what you should do in that case as you know the situation the best...

I also understand the fear of being cut off the funding... It is easy to say - just find the job, move out, stop contacting your family - live your own life and forget about them... But it is not so easy... I don't think that my input is anyhow helpful but I just wanted to say that I believe you and I can relate to your fears...

growlithing........ I have been reading, and I have no desire to enter the discussion. I just wanted to offer you a kind hug at a time where it is obvious that you could maybe do with one?

((growli))

ps; please do take care of yourself and seek out the help you need to resolve all of this the way that you need and want it resolved. One step at a time. I have some idea just how hard this must be. take care

Here, the Ts would report if they believed the story (not in any sense implying the illegibility of G's story, just stating the facts). Two minors are at risk, so they'd need to act (no, the dangers of foster care system would not weight in). Legally they'd have to. I remember there was a story about an older sibling being prosecuted for not reporting the abuse of her sisters (she herself was a victim but did not report when turning 18). I think they just wanted to make an example of her, zero tolerance CSA policy.

There might be a legal imperative, but here, I think the legal one is in contradiction with the ethical imperative - which should be to growli's well being.

I think there is some wiggle room. With appropriate problem solving by both parties, things do not have become worse for growli.

The instance where you cite where the sibling was prosecute sounds utterly draconian to me. A gross outlier of the law for sure.

I do hope so.
Yeah, so sad. However, she did know her 2 sisters were being abused and did nothing to prevent it... but still, it was a lose-lose situation. In the end they made a deal with her- she became a witness for the prosecution and got off with a 2yr probation.

the bottom line is that growli *doesn't* know if her siblings are being sexually abused. I see no need for worst case scenarios to be outlined just yet.

Her conscience, both in the her eyes, and in the eyes of the law, should be clear.

Oh, I was not comparing this to Growli's case (that one was completely different) just using this sad example to show how strong the obligation to report could be and that the Ts could be pushed to report (even against G's wishes) if they suspect her sibs might be in danger. All and all they could be liable if they didn't.
I do hope , however, that in the US the ethical side trumps the legal side- here we'd go strictly by the book.

Something else that comes into play in the US is that the laws governing reporting are different in every state. Growli's T practices in a different state than the family lives in. So it would take legal expertise to even determine the T's responsibility in a clear-cut case of knowledge.

Isn't the ethical side of Ts to keep confidentiality so long as there is no risk of harm to oneself or others? Not speaking up is going against well, everything the T is supposed to do. Yes, it may not be to growli's benefit to have her family reported. But the T is legally responsible for reporting any potential abuse towards minors, and there is a clear risk of harm towards growli's younger siblings.

The relationship between the law (actually, multiple variations of laws) and professional ethics is just not so straightforward. As elliemay noted, a T's first ethical responsibility is to the patient in her treatment.

I wonder if her T hesitates as I think Growli's mother is a T of sorts, or in that realm of profession?

I believe her mother is a medical dr; maybe GP?

If the story is true, I'm certain there is more to the story. I'm certain they didn't simply pluck some older sibling out to make an example.

I think this is overstated, both in terms of the legal obligations and how clear the risk of harm is.

The OP states she's been raped by her father and beaten and emotionally abused by her parents: how can the risk of harm be overstated when it comes to younger siblings living with violent and incestuous parents? The OP doesn't live at home, so certainly can't monitor the situation 24/7, and can not be counted upon to assess such a personal situation objectively. She has stated herself her motivations for not wanting to get involved even if there is abuse occurring.

If a therapist has a client, the client has been raped and beaten by her parents, and children are living with the client's parents, I will never be convinced that the therapist isn't obligated to report that, technicalities aside. If the therapist doesn't report, I would have to wonder if the therapist didn't believe the client.

I guess different people respond to different things. I suspect things are a lot more complicated and only OP has the information and even she doesn't ahve all the information - that's why she is afraid. There's too much she doesn't know.

I'm not sure OP asked us about what she should do. I think she was talking about being scared. I totally understand her being scared.

I am wondering if the op knew if reporting this to her t, would possibly bring along the consequenses of the t having to report to the authorities or to the many other therapists she has.
In her therapeutic team network. Either way, whats done is done now, its really up to the t, or the rest of the therapy team if they communicate, whether to report or not, its not like you can just put the lid back on what the op stated. Being scared is just an emotion or feeling to what she presented to her therapist, which was disclosing her abuse by her father.

I am sure the OP wasn´t prepared for the can of worms she opend. However I don´t blame the T for needing to run this by her supervisor.
The OP wrote today, while people are concerned on the thread in here, on another forum, that she liked the idea of having someone desiring her so badly that he wouldn´t take no for an answer.

Since the OP have a team of 4-5 T´s it may be best to leave it up to the pro´s at this point.