Shame

archipelago · Feb 01, 2015 at 02:03 PM

Attachment trauma in early development is often followed by (or makes one more vulnerable to) massive trauma later. A brain specialist, Allan Schore says in the right brain there is "a sudden implosion of the implicit self, a rupture of self-continuity and a loss of an ability to experience a particular conscious affect. This collapse of the implicit self is signaled by the amplification of the affects of shame and disgust, and by the cognitions of hopelessness and helplessness."

Lauliza · Feb 01, 2015 at 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JustShakey

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This.

I'm curious, what types of trauma cause this collapse in the sense of self?

I think lack of attachment as an infant/child sets the stage for this. After that, it can be exacerbated by childhood abuse.

JustShakey · Feb 01, 2015 at 02:32 PM

That makes a lot of sense to me, it's like a structural weakness in the foundation of a building...

brokenwarrior · Feb 01, 2015 at 02:33 PM

For me shame definitely makes me keep things a secret. It's a very manipulative emotion for me and makes me act out in ways that makes me feel more shame

Feb 01, 2015 at 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by archipelago

Attachment trauma in early development is often followed by (or makes one more vulnerable to) massive trauma later. A brain specialist, Allan Schore says in the right brain there is "a sudden implosion of the implicit self, a rupture of self-continuity and a loss of an ability to experience a particular conscious affect. This collapse of the implicit self is signaled by the amplification of the affects of shame and disgust, and by the cognitions of hopelessness and helplessness."

I've read one of Allan Shore's books, he suggests that in therapy, if a client re-experiences childhood emotions such as shame, in the context of an empathic therapeutic relationship then the neurology of the brain will be changed. Shore and his colleagues believe that neurological studies support this.

Feb 01, 2015 at 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brown Owl

I've read one of Allan Shore's books, he suggests that in therapy, if a client re-experiences childhood emotions such as shame, in the context of an empathic therapeutic relationship then the neurology of the brain will be changed. Shore and his colleagues believe that neurological studies support this.

I have experienced this in therapy and totally agree. The effect is powerful and perceptible.

archipelago · Feb 01, 2015 at 04:05 PM

Schore introduces a book by relational analyst Bromberg that articulates how this therapeutic relationship can work to create something like a relational affect regulation and indeed make for change. Still doesn't mean is ain't painful.

KayDubs · Feb 01, 2015 at 04:49 PM

Which Allan Schore books are you all talking about? I'd be interested in reading his stuff. It definitely feels relevant to what I'm trying to address in therapy and otherwise.

rainbow8 · 06:21 PM

I feel shame in a few ways. Just reading the thread and seeing the word makes me start to feel yucky. I feel shame about my body and normal bodily functions.

This topic is especially relevant because I suddenly feel ashamed of the child part of me who loves to hold T's hand in the session. I got triggered by a painting I did of T and me holding the child's hand. I want the shame to go away.

My T is so careful to accept me and my child parts. I don't know why I feel so much shame right now. The suggestions for reading sound interesting.

archipelago · Feb 01, 2015 at 06:28 PM

He has a lot of stuff. I know his work primarily in articles and through people like Philip Bromberg (analysts and therapists) who use his work. The book that probably speaks the most to this is Affect Regulation and the Repair of the Self.

I'm finding Philip Bromberg's work excellent about this stuff. He has a whole theory that uses the neuroscience too but it is more grounded in how to work with people in really detailed ways. The one I'm reading is introduced by Schore and is called In the Shadow of the Tsunami. He means that an early attachment trauma (the tsunami) passes but the person lives in its shadow and that the work of therapy is to shrink that shadow. He does this relationally, meaning he uses the affect regulating parts of the relationship to accept some of this very difficult and hard to bear material and make it a little safer, bit by bit, until the person lives less in the shadow of the tsunami.

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JustShakey WON'T!!! Member Since May 2014 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,576 10 1,234 hugs given	Feb 01, 2015 at 02:32 PM #23 That makes a lot of sense to me, it's like a structural weakness in the foundation of a building... __________________ '... At poor peace I sing To you strangers (though song Is a burning and crested act, The fire of birds in The world's turning wood, For my sawn, splay sounds,) ...' Dylan Thomas, Author's Prologue
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brokenwarrior Member Member Since Oct 2014 Location: Maine Posts: 174 10 65 hugs given	Feb 01, 2015 at 02:33 PM #24 For me shame definitely makes me keep things a secret. It's a very manipulative emotion for me and makes me act out in ways that makes me feel more shame
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archipelago Grand Poohbah Member Since Jan 2013 Posts: 1,773 11 239 hugs given	Feb 01, 2015 at 04:05 PM #27 Schore introduces a book by relational analyst Bromberg that articulates how this therapeutic relationship can work to create something like a relational affect regulation and indeed make for change. Still doesn't mean is ain't painful. __________________ “Our knowledge is a little island in a great ocean of nonknowledge.” – Isaac Bashevis Singer
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KayDubs Member Member Since Sep 2014 Location: ಠ_ಠ Posts: 490 10 154 hugs given	Feb 01, 2015 at 04:49 PM #28 Which Allan Schore books are you all talking about? I'd be interested in reading his stuff. It definitely feels relevant to what I'm trying to address in therapy and otherwise.
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