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#26
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My t never said "I love you" but she has more than once talked about there being a certain kind of love in the therapeutic relationship. Perhaps it needs its own word.
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Sliding scale? Oh, that's 2 words ;-))))
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Somewhere I read that it can be called "therapy love." I told my T that and she liked it. Then, in the next week, several tragedies happened to friends, and so many people are seriously ill. Life is short. I said "love is love" and apparently T agreed.
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#29
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I'm leery of the word love in t anyway but one reason I'm particularly leery is that my last therapy ended way before I actually left because of some kind of (non-erotic) countertransference. Maternal I think. It worked out in the end because new T's style is a much better fit therapy-wise but I'm still gunshy of countertransference.
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None of my T's had ever said ''I love you''. I wouldn't have wanted them to say that. I would like to have my current T to say to me ''I like you''.
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I believe that therapeutic relationship love IS transference love.
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#34
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...e-transference This writer gives 3 typical definitions for transference. Personally, #1 doesn't sound like transference at all; just an assessment of if the therapist and client's work together is positive or negative. The other two are more typically what I hear referred to here, neither of which apply, for instance, in my case. I don't buy the "any feeling" is transference definition; that just seems like playing loose with psychobabble/jargon to me. |
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lolagrace quote: "I find it quite possible to have love for many different people just based on an appreciation for them as the beings they are, not mixed up in my issues or needs or history or whatever"
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My therapist would never tell me that she loves me. In fact, that very thing came up today. I showed her a text my mom sent which was really nasty...but this is nothing new from my mom, BTW. But in the text my mom reminded me that no one loved me, yes, including her. My therapist was disgusted by the text, but she is disgusted by my mom in general. Anyway...she said that what my mom said wasn't true. That she, my T, cares so much about me. She said it is unethical to say the "L" word. She then preceded to tell me again how much she cares and that my life "means the world" to her. I guess this is her way of showing love? I don't really know what love is though.
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#37
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I am not sure what non-transference love means and how one can distingish therapeutic love from non-therapeutic one. This is rather a complex subject and so I'd answer about love in general.
Clients can and do love their therapists often. It's a common occurance in therapy. For client it's perfectly fine to have this feeling and to express it. It's not ok for a therapist to express it EVER and, as far as feeling love for a client, a therapist should make their best effort to be clear as to what kind of love they are feeling. Is it just general compassion for client's suffering? Is it liking client as a person with no desire to get close to them? Or is it a more intense kind of liking, an attraction (including sexual) that makes them want to make their relationship with client personal? All those nuances are important. Whenever there is an intensity of feelings toward client that's a clear signal for therapist that they need to watch it and to understand where the intensity is coming from. If the intensity doesn't go away as a result of self-reflection, supervision and therapist's own therapy, then therapist should consider referring client out in a mindful ethical way. I know of too many therapy "love" stories to believe that expressing love for a client can be either innocent or harmless let alone therapeutic. |
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#39
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#40
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Many posters here have declared there own personal experience of finding a therapist's expression of love as healing, natural, not at all upsetting, not at all harmful, etc. Others have said they'd run the other direction; it would be a problem for them. Perhaps competent therapists can do everything you stated in your post AND express love, under the right circumstances and with discernment, with certain clients and it not be harmful, unethical, or unprofessional. |
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Ime, its very difficult to find a t who understands what its like to have a non-mother. People think if youre still alive, then you werent neglected. But thats not true. And if you were neglected, you simply dont know what you missed. |
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#42
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![]() I am very lucky in the aspect that my T really does understand what I am going through and what I have been through. She's said to me that I don't deserve to have a mother like that and that I am such a good person. She wishes for me that I had been born to someone else. But we all know that can't be fixed. I guess it just wasn't in the cards for me to be loved.
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#43
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Madame T used to sign "love" but later switched to "warm regards". I felt that as a definite cooling.
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It's very difficult to find people in general who understand what it's like to have a non-mother. Over time, my T actually has come to understand my situation. However, I have yet to find a romantic partner who gets it AT ALL. Or even wants to try to get it. They seem to think that if my biological mother is physically alive, then that means I have-- and have always had-- a mother. In reality, the woman who gave birth to me (and often lived in the same house as me) never fed me one meal, never changed one diaper, never drove me to school, doctors, etc, never had a conversation with me, and never sat in the same room as me. Literally, never. To this day she does not know my name, my age, or what state I live in. I have spoken to her less than 10 times in my entire life-- each of which was exceedingly unpleasant. People just can't fathom that situation. But it's real. It took my T a good three years to "get it." But she gets it now. She is no longer silly enough to ask if I'm going to call my mom on Mother's Day or if I have any kind of "plans." Even when we lived in the same house, we didn't celebrate Mother's Day. Why would we? She was not my mother. She does not consider me her daughter. She never bothered to learn my name.
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#45
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None of my T's have ever told me they love me. Sometimes I wonder if they even care much about me. Well one I was sure cared a lot about me. I said I love you to one and she said thank you. I said I love you to another one and she didn't say anything. At the time I wanted them to love me. Now I really don't care and will never say it to another therapist. I hate the fakeness of therapy anymore and I have had a lot of it. My therapist I have now wants nothing to do with me when I leave. I can write her and send her an update but she won't write me back. If I come back to visit she is not allowed to see me nor do I think she wants too.
Sorry not too happy right now. |
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life is not just black and white. the peace is in the grey ![]() Inspiration is the burden an artist must bear because it is often hard to find and once found even harder to capture. |
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#48
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My partner finds it difficult when people try to talk her into seeing her mother that disowned her for being gay. And who was horrible even before that. She (partner) adores her therapist.
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#49
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I'm sorry you are unhappy right now...sending you hugs! ![]()
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life is not just black and white. the peace is in the grey ![]() Inspiration is the burden an artist must bear because it is often hard to find and once found even harder to capture. |
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My husband has completely disconnected from his entire family because they are all so horribly abusive to each other. He knew his parents didn't love him when he was 5. It is hard to imagine the kind of life a child must be living to come to that conclusion so young. Learning to trust love has been a process for him, but he married into a family that is kind of the antithesis of his family. He's grown to finally be able to trust love, to hear the words and trust them, but it took many years to undo that early experience. Undo might not be the right word; I don't think it will ever be completely undone, but he is able to see it for what it was now and know it wasn't okay, it doesn't have to be that way, and he can move and live beyond that horrible era in his life.
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