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Old Apr 12, 2015, 11:42 PM
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I was using the pastrami as a rather silly example of human tool-using capabilities, and ability to think ahead and postpone reward. As humans, thinking and solving problems is our specialty. Yes, other animals can and do learn, but not to the level that we can. There is no other species on Earth that can match us at it. Yes, I know that's a rather species-centric position, but I am human, and a scientist. I value human innovation very highly.
That's not to say we aren't responsible for our impact on our world - having the abilities that we have make us responsible.
Having a point of view is a thinking function - a higher-brain, cortical function. Most mammals have a highly developed limbic brain, and are therefore capable of complex emotions - which is why we form such strong bonds with our pets, but they lack a highly developed cortex, and thus the ability to form a point of view. They also lack the ability to mark time - this is also why trauma is timeless. Reptiles don't even have emotions.
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I know it wasn't about the pastrami, as much as that enhances some of our worlds. I would've answered the same way if you had used classical music as an example. Or my android phone. We're not going to agree on this, but an endangered Woodland caribou doesn't place any value on humans' creativity. We do because we're the owners. When we be one extinct and create space for the next phase of evolution, the next dominant species will have traits we can't imagine and the traits we value will be deeply buried fossils.

As far as having a point of view, I just looked up definitions. Some agree with you but I used the phrase more literally; the world out of their eyes (or whatever the dominant sense organ is).

I think the scientific concept that applies here is carrying capacity. As a species we way overshot ours. I just hope that humans go extinct before we kill so much of the other DNA (through its hosts) that it will take millions upon millions of years to repopulate the planet with other kinds of awesome life.

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Old Apr 12, 2015, 11:46 PM
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I am now smoking spatchcocked chickens that I have rubbed with spice laden mayonnaise. One is curry and one is more generic.

I am taking it with me when we go to a house smudging gathering this evening.
You don't really seem the house smudging type to me. I could be wrong. I can see you having house smudging friends, though.
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Old Apr 12, 2015, 11:59 PM
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You don't really seem the house smudging type to me. I could be wrong. I can see you having house smudging friends, though.
That's when you fill it with marijuana smoke for the first time, right?
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 01:51 AM
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Does anyone else feel that having children was a mistake? I am really struggling with 2 teen girls, make me feel like afailure usually
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 03:16 AM
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BPA, there was a series of articles about "forbidden emotions" in a newspaper here recently, where they interviewed various experts... I remember reading that many parents feel, at some point or another, that having children was a mistake. It is such a taboo subject, though, that most people who feel that believe that they are all alone in feeling it.
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 03:43 AM
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Thanks mast i didnt realise others felt that way.when i listen to other parents i just hear how good they are. but i must be doing something right because at their age i was a drug addict and been pregnant.
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 06:24 AM
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Just wanted to chime in quickly in the board game discussion.
I quite enjoy playing Carcassonne as well as Ticket to Ride. Have always hated Monopoly.
The card game Timeline is also fun in my opinion.
If you haven't tried those you might enjoy them Mastodon.
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Carcassonne, yes, that's a very fun game. I've only played Ticket to Ride once - it's one of those games that lots of people enjoy, though, and I'm not sure why I haven't played it more. I thought it was a game that didn't work with two people, but apparently I'm wrong...
I find a couple of games called Timeline - is this the one you mean? It does look fun, and H would excel at it - I should get hold of it
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 06:39 AM
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there are so many times I would say to my support system that I love my son so much but don't really like him right now . and these days I am so stressed that I am not feeling like a good mother at all and wished not to be any more .
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 07:18 AM
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I just got online again.

I know it wasn't about the pastrami, as much as that enhances some of our worlds. I would've answered the same way if you had used classical music as an example. Or my android phone. We're not going to agree on this, but an endangered Woodland caribou doesn't place any value on humans' creativity. We do because we're the owners. When we be one extinct and create space for the next phase of evolution, the next dominant species will have traits we can't imagine and the traits we value will be deeply buried fossils.

As far as having a point of view, I just looked up definitions. Some agree with you but I used the phrase more literally; the world out of their eyes (or whatever the dominant sense organ is).

I think the scientific concept that applies here is carrying capacity. As a species we way overshot ours. I just hope that humans go extinct before we kill so much of the other DNA (through its hosts) that it will take millions upon millions of years to repopulate the planet with other kinds of awesome life.
I saw a public tv show about some well i cant even remember what it was about - a tree that could cure cancer only we killed the habitat of the bug that pollinates it, something like that - and it was very sad.
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 08:33 AM
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I have this nagging thought.. I should be feeling something about the recent discoveries, that I should be doing something with it. I just don't know what? It makes me feel defective like a "normal" person would know what to do with this kind of information that they learned.

T suggested I reach out to my brother and tell him I am willing to sit down and talk with him about it if he wants. That isn't really the relationship that we have though..
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 09:36 AM
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I know it wasn't about the pastrami, as much as that enhances some of our worlds. I would've answered the same way if you had used classical music as an example. Or my android phone. We're not going to agree on this, but an endangered Woodland caribou doesn't place any value on humans' creativity. We do because we're the owners. When we be one extinct and create space for the next phase of evolution, the next dominant species will have traits we can't imagine and the traits we value will be deeply buried fossils.


As far as having a point of view, I just looked up definitions. Some agree with you but I used the phrase more literally; the world out of their eyes (or whatever the dominant sense organ is).



I think the scientific concept that applies here is carrying capacity. As a species we way overshot ours. I just hope that humans go extinct before we kill so much of the other DNA (through its hosts) that it will take millions upon millions of years to repopulate the planet with other kinds of awesome life.

Well, my hope is that we don't go extinct, but continue to evolve as a species. Not all species die out, but they do change.

'Point of view', to me is an opinion formed based on experience. I would call what you describe 'experience'.

There doesn't seem to be any consensus on numbers for human carrying capacity. A quick google search is giving me a range between 0.5 billion and 800 billion, which just tells me we haven't a clue. We are innovative though, so my gut leans toward the higher end of the scale.

We do disagree on this I suppose, but I am hopeful that our better nature will prevail and we can make the earth a better home for all of us. Otherwise, you are right, we will wipe ourselves out and possibly take most everything else with us.
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I hear you BPA! I wish I had had the sense to be able to consider the impact of having kids the way I did and in the situation that I did on the kids themselves. My daughter will sometimes get angry at me for marrying her father and I have to swallow the 'if I didn't you wouldn't be here' response. What do you say to something like that?!
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I have this nagging thought.. I should be feeling something about the recent discoveries, that I should be doing something with it. I just don't know what? It makes me feel defective like a "normal" person would know what to do with this kind of information that they learned.

T suggested I reach out to my brother and tell him I am willing to sit down and talk with him about it if he wants. That isn't really the relationship that we have though..
I am still in the "i feel like gumby flattened by a steamroller" stage about this for you. Seriously.
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 10:08 AM
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I hear you BPA! I wish I had had the sense to be able to consider the impact of having kids the way I did and in the situation that I did on the kids themselves. My daughter will sometimes get angry at me for marrying her father and I have to swallow the 'if I didn't you wouldn't be here' response. What do you say to something like that?!
I think that about my parents, in a way. My dad did not stand up to my mother for me. But what a dull world itwould be without ME!! Why not use it as a teachable moment, pardon the expression? When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. And shes not allowed to date until shes 30 I would be a terrible mom...
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 10:10 AM
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T suggested I reach out to my brother and tell him I am willing to sit down and talk with him about it if he wants. That isn't really the relationship that we have though..
Do you want to keep the sort of relationship you have now or would you like a different kind with your brother?
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 11:12 AM
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Do you want to keep the sort of relationship you have now or would you like a different kind with your brother?
I am not sure.. that is still something I am pondering.
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I'm making a reading list of fiction with gender fluid/transgender/non-binary characters, based on this (and the links in the comments). A few of the books I own already, some are still in print, but for the rest, Open Library is very handy.
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 12:58 PM
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The two that first come to mind for me are Written on The Body by Jeanette Winterson and, of course, Orlando by V. Woolf. I don't think they fit under science fiction - but certainly under gender fluidity.
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went to the gym hoping that it would give me something to do and it was yucky . watching tv . now that is productive . felling jealous about my son going to a beverage symposium all day today for school . I want to go and taste whine cheese and beer . some cocktails and whatever.and learn about them
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 01:25 PM
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The two that first come to mind for me are Written on The Body by Jeanette Winterson and, of course, Orlando by V. Woolf. I don't think they fit under science fiction - but certainly under gender fluidity.
I read Orlando as an undergrad, and wasn't too fond of it. It might partly be because of the lecturer we had, but also, something about Woolf's style just didn't click with me. We read To the Lighthouse and A Room of one's Own as well.

I should give Woolf another chance now, 22 years later. I have a feeling I might like her prose much better now.
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went to the gym hoping that it would give me something to do and it was yucky . watching tv . now that is productive . felling jealous about my son going to a beverage symposium all day today for school . I want to go and taste whine cheese and beer . some cocktails and whatever.and learn about them
Oh yeah hes in cooking school! My good friend teaches a class in whining at the community college here. She started it after her restaurant crashed after 9/11. I am so proud of her. I wish i was more like her - to actually do, not just think. Oh btw she explained why im hearing honking in the night! A goose is nesting in one of the giant planters on the patio below my window. She said shes not as nice as the duck from last year! I think her picture is in my album on here. The duck and ducklings, that is. We,re looking forward to Ryan Goslings!!
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my husband says if I come up with 150K I could go to his school
Or you could enlist in the army. That would shut h up!!
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I'm just after calling my T and leaving a voicemail instead of sending my usual email. Now I'm an anxious wreck. I panicked and almost hung up when his message started (does anyone else think it's hilarious that autocorrect wanted to put 'His' instead of 'his'?...).
Somebody tell me why I do this to myself. I hate phone calls with the passion of a thousand firey suns and email works just fine...

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I find the phone so much simpler for many things than texting or email. One phone call can take the place of 15 emails/texts sometimes
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