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Why is it better? I have asked this kind of thing before and only received vague or unintelliglble answers, and I suspect I simply cannot understand this concept... but I'll try again. Why?
I've only deduced this from my internal experience (but not managed to change it). Not saying what I am feeling results (after a while) in my feeling absolutely exhausted at the prospect of being around people. The effort to totally and tightly control every bit of emotion saps all mental energy (although there is a familiar sense of safety).

In that state, I reach a point where I can't be around anyone at all without feeling like I am going to completely lose it. Ideally then, I would be totally isolated except that isn't possible given the necessity of interaction at work etc. Even the slightest of the required interactions with other people then can unexpectedly trigger the feeling of being overwhelmed / exhausted (or, worse still, give me a small glimpse of being seen / heard which actually triggers high-quality self-loathing) etc and send me into a spiral of well, some awful darkness.

The solution -- to the sense of being exhausted around others / life in general -- that therapy is supposed to offer is to practice letting out the feelings which in turn I believe is meant to make one be able to do that with various others in life outside therapy and / or choose those various others who would be okay with the expression of said feelings.

There's a bit of hand-waving / you-gotta-believe-it stuff in this chain of thought in a bunch of places, I know, and I've brought it up with current T who basically just swatted me away and said she can't reduce the impact of all the interactions between a client and therapist over years to a logically defined process.....whatever.
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Are the areas connected? Did you go to emergency? Are you draining? How are you???
Things are better this morning. The left is still more swollen than the right. Sensation along the top has returned and a little along the bottom. I can go to ED if need be. I have appointment on Monday. I am not draining very much so my drains will come out on Monday. The fluid is getting lighter (a good thing).

I crashed out last night and slept hard. Another good thing.

No fever, no redness, and no oozing from incisions...all food things.

Mentally/emotionally. ..I am good with the decision and procedure.

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im 7 days off opiates today...

ive been thinking a lot about the big changes coming up in my life, it freaks me out. am i even doing this school stuff because i want to? or is it other people who want it, and im just pleasing people... thats not a real life

but, if i did what i wanted, i would just be some scum bag drug addict. life is so much easier that way. you have 1 goal, 1 focus, 1 thing you care about- it was so much simpler... but i do know that its easier to look back on that stuff and not see the bad stuff as much as the good
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 11:58 AM
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As happens often, something t says doesn't really register until later that evening. Now I want to email her and ask for clarification. I don't understand what she meant for sure. At the time, it didn't feel like a criticism, but thinking about it now, i see how it could have been! I wonder if she'll admit to that?

Convoluted. It's all so damned convoluted. I'm asking for clarification.
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Think she's saying thru your relationship with her, she thinks you will heal. Sounds like she's basically trying to undo bad relationships you have or have had with her therapeutic relationship with you
I know there is more that you are ranting on, but I agree with JDNA with this one...she definitely seems to be the type of T that focuses on the relationship between you two and sees that as the vehicle for change/healing.
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I'm searching healthgrades.com for psychologists in the area.

It identifies a "best match" for you. Mine is...DBC.
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(Yawn) Hi couchies! So after tossing and turning most of the night, my confusion still reigns supreme this morning. Things that t said yesterday (that yes she apologized for but still) are bouncing around in my brain and won't go away. I am feeling so stupid and anti-therapy right now, and wishing I had not gone yesterday. I remembered during the night something else that she said: she talked about me needing to commit.

(warning rant ahead, please feel free to ignore!) I kind of want to punch her in the face right now, if she thinks I have not been committed to this process all the way along. 5 ****ing years, and I have been working hard at this, I have made so many positive changes in my life, and she says that I need to commit?! **** her. It is beginning to dawn on me that she doesn't know what the **** she is doing, that she is just winging it and calling everything my "process" to make her sound like she knows what she is talking about.

Okay that's not exactly fair and I know it. She's known what she is talking about to get me this far. She walked with me through working out a lot of '****' from my childhood and I am thankful for that. But I think maybe all of my ambivalence lately and the need that part of me had to take a break at the beginning of the month still might have been right - because we've gone as far as we're going to go 'together' and that's just the way it is. I saw it yesterday briefly before she caught herself, she let me see her frustration with me, with a fundamental part of who I am that I don't think can be changed, and she said a particular word in a derogatory way, which she did apologize for but... damn. If that's the kind of person she is in real life, that she would say that to somebody in that way, I mean I'd already dropped my illusions/fantasies about her as far as wanting to be her friend awhile back, but yesterday, it's like I saw behind her mask and I really didn't at all like what I saw, it must take a whole lot of work on her part to hide that person from her clients. She is not a kind person. Come to think of it, she told me that once before several months back. I responded to something with "You're being too kind." And she said "I am not kind." Well she was right. She is not. And even after she apologized, after she adjusted her mask back into place, she still looked different. The mask is no longer working.

I used to wonder what she honestly thought of me as a person, behind what she actually says, and now I know, and I think I hate her. I scheduled for April but at the moment I feel like cancelling both appointments and never going back. I'm sorry to carry on so much here. I don't know if I'm being unfair to her because of my own 'stuff' or am I right that there's nothing more she can do for me? I think that little diatribe of hers yesterday severed my remaining attachment to her, anyway. So I should count it as a good thing I guess.

Why can't I trust myself? Why?!

rant over.
I of course have no idea what your T said to you (if you want to PM me you can to get a more 'objective' point of view), and you have every right to feel angry at her, because your feelings are valid. I am sorry that she seemed to get frustrated at you. I would hate that, and it would trigger all sorts of things for me if my T was frustrated at me. I have apologized for being frustrating for my T a few times, and even if she is frustrated, (which she wouldn't tell me), she always says that I am at where I am at, and it is okay.

Sometimes THAT pi**es me off beause I am like "I don't want to be where I am at, and it is NOT okay!" haha. I do find it weird that she said that she is not kind? Was she meaning that as a particular personality trait, like "I am not kind!," or more like "I am not kind all the time," which no one is.

I have noticed a pattern though that you easily jump to big conclusions/decisions when you are upset, and then are off to the races, jumping 100 steps ahead in whatever it is, instead of maybe just sitting with the feelings for a few days and see what happens to them. I ONLY say this because I do the same damned thing all the time, so I recognize it!

If what I said is way off, please ignore
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 12:04 PM
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No you're right velcro, I can be the queen of over-reactors....
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 12:25 PM
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Things are better this morning. The left is still more swollen than the right. Sensation along the top has returned and a little along the bottom. I can go to ED if need be. I have appointment on Monday. I am not draining very much so my drains will come out on Monday. The fluid is getting lighter (a good thing).

I crashed out last night and slept hard. Another good thing.

No fever, no redness, and no oozing from incisions...all food things.

Mentally/emotionally. ..I am good with the decision and procedure.

Thanks for asking.
(((Elio))) it reminds me of recently a guy on weight watchers had skin removal on his arms and he lost use of his hand for a while but with physical therapy and stuff it came back alright. Something swells up and nerves get nervous, i guess
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 12:38 PM
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Why is it better? I have asked this kind of thing before and only received vague or unintelliglble answers, and I suspect I simply cannot understand this concept... but I'll try again. Why?
I like awkwardlys answer. Otherwise the craziness leaks out when the least amount of pressure is applied, like im a sponge full of crazy. Ya dont want to be a dried up ol sponge either, to where everything rolls right off...

Maybe i should write a book of these psychological similes
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That is an excellent and extremely accurate analogy, una!
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Old Mar 25, 2017, 12:48 PM
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(((Artie))) my experience with the EAP was not the best. My regular t at the time kept warning me, remember, they work for the company, not you. Altho my issue was work related, not personal. Anyway i see them more as people who get alcoholic employees into recovery programs instead of getting fired. Or domestic violence help. But not so much for an existential crisis. So i would be wary.

How about a clergyperson? If your vow to stay with h is at issue, why not talk to someone under that umbrella? Explore what the vow means. I always find the parable of the talents to be useful. Are you meant to literally bury your talents because of your hs fears or desires or whatever? You have to answer for your talents at the final judgment (i take this figuratively). What will make you happy on your deathbed?

Eta - i didnt even want to speak the word divorce. I can remember exactly where i was (out for a walk, cold bright day, in front of the tire shop!) when i finally admitted it to myself.

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Thanks, all. I still don't understand, so it's all good.
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HELP... I need to get started on doing this presentation and I feel completely blocked. I can't do it. Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh!
PM me if you want - helping people with presentations is one of the things I do for a living.
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im 7 days off opiates today...
Great job. You are doing wonderful!! Hang in there.
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I like awkwardlys answer. Otherwise the craziness leaks out when the least amount of pressure is applied, like im a sponge full of crazy. Ya dont want to be a dried up ol sponge either, to where everything rolls right off...


Maybe i should write a book of these psychological similes

I can see it now...the Yogi Berra of psychology. When you come to fork in the road, take it!

ETA: what I'd like to know too is why the feelings have to be expressed to a therapist/in therapy if they must be expressed. Why not a journal, a hollow reed (extra credit for getting the ref there), yourself in the mirror, the cat?
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I can see it now...the Yogi Berra of psychology. When you come to fork in the road, take it!

ETA: what I'd like to know too is why the feelings have to be expressed to a therapist/in therapy if they must be expressed. Why not a journal, a hollow reed (extra credit for getting the ref there), yourself in the mirror, the cat?
Is a papyrus a hollow reed?

Its the RELATIONSHIP that heals.

We need to read about some GOOD relationships. Are there any? Mostly we just hear about toxic relationships. Good ENOUGH relationships? Idk.
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Why not a journal, a hollow reed (extra credit for getting the ref there), yourself in the mirror, the cat?
No way - sometimes she looks back at me like "why are you such a stupid human?" and I just feel worse...
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ATAT--if journaling or talking to a wall or the cat worked, no one would need therapists.

I agree with Una, that it is the relationship, the melding of two brains that helps heal.

Crocus, I think the question you are asking is hard to answer with words.
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JD - Toby looks like my icon (or vice-versa) Also I clicked the 'hugs' button, but those hugs were actually for him, not for you, just so you know...
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No way - sometimes she looks back at me like "why are you such a stupid human?" and I just feel worse...
Aww, no cats are looking at us with pure love because we provide warm bodies for them to curl up on

(that is how i look at it, ok!)

(as my two cats now provide barely any room for me to sleep at night as they both like to curl up in my nooks.)
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Be constantly dependent on someone else for food? And to clean up after me?

And have to put up with them sitting nekkid in my big water bowl???
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Aww, no cats are looking at us with pure love because we provide warm bodies for them to curl up on

(that is how i look at it, ok!)

(as my two cats now provide barely any room for me to sleep at night as they both like to curl up in my nooks.)
Hahah, yes, maybe... I just think they know all too well how special and superior they are! I woke up with my cat curled in the bend of my knees this morning, a favourite spot of hers...
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ETA: what I'd like to know too is why the feelings have to be expressed to a therapist/in therapy if they must be expressed. Why not a journal, a hollow reed (extra credit for getting the ref there), yourself in the mirror, the cat?
It really doesn't have to be a therapist if journaling or hollow-reed-ing or cat-ing works for you?

The difference for me between journaling (am yet to try hollow-reed-ing; I don't have a mirror except in the bathroom and my germophobia doesn't let me hang around the bathroom except for the bare minimum required time; and I'm soooooo not going anywhere near a cat or for that matter any animal if I can help it) vs doing it in therapy is that the therapist is supposed to offer a (seemingly) human response -- that in turn forces out not only the feelings themselves but also gives me a simulated experience of dealing with another person while doing it.

So, I am then in the position of having to simultaneously dealing with my own feelings while also interacting with someone else -- right now, that whole process looks like an attempt to compete at the Olympic level while I haven't managed to even start the local 5K.

I assume that after I repeatedly do this for a while in therapy (and in the process, hopefully, finally being done with calling current T a robot [which oddly / sadly, doesn't faze her]), I will remember -- in some version of muscle memory -- how to do this around other (non-therapist-y) people and consequently, not explode and get into the whole cycle that I mentioned earlier.

Entirely because my journal can't offer me the robot-human-therapist interaction.
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(((Artie))) my experience with the EAP was not the best. My regular t at the time kept warning me, remember, they work for the company, not you. Altho my issue was work related, not personal. Anyway i see them more as people who get alcoholic employees into recovery programs instead of getting fired. Or domestic violence help. But not so much for an existential crisis. So i would be wary.

How about a clergyperson? If your vow to stay with h is at issue, why not talk to someone under that umbrella? Explore what the vow means. I always find the parable of the talents to be useful. Are you meant to literally bury your talents because of your hs fears or desires or whatever? You have to answer for your talents at the final judgment (i take this figuratively). What will make you happy on your deathbed?

Eta - i didnt even want to speak the word divorce. I can remember exactly where i was (out for a walk, cold bright day, in front of the tire shop!) when i finally admitted it to myself.
My desire to talk with someone else who is unbiased and will have a fresh perspective is about this stuff with t - not about h. At least, for right now. I'm just thinking to use the EAP thing because it doesn't cost anything. You may be right, my son didn't have a very good experience when he went to one of them. I was hoping it was just that particular t. But anyway it's not just for work-related stuff, because it's available for all family members that are on my insurance. We'll see what happens, I think it's worth a shot anyway. I have to do something. I hate the way things feel with t right now especially since I think she has no clue that I am upset.
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