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Old Feb 08, 2018, 07:24 PM
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Elio, that sounds like a scary way to feel, like you're slipping away from yourself. Is there any one moment you can trace back and say it started then? Do you think it could be because you are so diligent and hardworking in therapy, giving so much you are exhausted?
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Old Feb 08, 2018, 07:56 PM
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Yeah, the thing I think they miss is that while it's a workday to them, the person across from them is likely being open and vulnerable, the way that therapy seems to dictate. So even if their issues are not as pressing as the therapist's, the therapist is wearing work armor while the client is skinless. Things are going to feel infinitely more intense for the client in that setting (for those who open up in therapy and take that risk, that is). It's so much better to know that there were factors outside of me at play, rather than to take the blame for all of it on myself or to think I imagined it all.
I agree. It's good that your therapist was honest with you after the fact, but if she was in that rough of an emotional state, maybe she shouldn't have been at work at all? That's something that T has said to me in regard to my feeling I should let MC off the hook for certain things because of his wife's illness and passing--that it's up to the T to take care of themselves, to get their own therapy as needed, to not come to work if they can't be present.

I hope you'll still be able to talk about the particular issue you had brought up with your T in the future.
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Old Feb 08, 2018, 07:58 PM
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Therapy is too damn hard. I think I hit a personal best today. 0 to crying in under a minute. I feel like I keep screwing everything up. It was so tough today he wants to do a 20 minute phone call Sunday because he's going to be out on Monday and it will be 6 days before our next in-person session. He wants to discuss my feelings about today's session, after I've had time to reflect on it, but my emotions are all over the map right now. I don't know if I can even construct a cohesive narrative about what happened today.
Hugs, NP. I was crying on the way to session the other day (then in session), so I get it. You're not screwing things up--you're dealing with a very difficult and painful situation. That's good he's offering the Sunday phone call--hopefully you'll take him up on it. Maybe you can try journaling about what happened in session today? Not tonight necessarily, but when you feel more ready for it. I find it helps me process things if I type/write them out (but it might be different for you).
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Old Feb 08, 2018, 08:12 PM
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I agree. It's good that your therapist was honest with you after the fact, but if she was in that rough of an emotional state, maybe she shouldn't have been at work at all? That's something that T has said to me in regard to my feeling I should let MC off the hook for certain things because of his wife's illness and passing--that it's up to the T to take care of themselves, to get their own therapy as needed, to not come to work if they can't be present.

I hope you'll still be able to talk about the particular issue you had brought up with your T in the future.
Thanks. It's a double-edged sword. I'm not sure I would have done well to miss a session either. I think if she'd just been up front as soon as it happened, it might not have been as bad. I don't know. Right now, I just feel like I try her patience so severely that she can't keep from letting me have it. Makes me wonder how many other times she's wanted to do that but didn't because she had more reserves.

eta: I listened to the recording and with the exception of the one exchange, she was actually very kind during that session. So she must have been able to put her other stressors on the back burner for the rest of the time.
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Old Feb 08, 2018, 08:14 PM
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I'm sorry you're suffering right now, Elio. Do you think it has to do with your therapist's long weekend coming up? Anticipatory rejection in action?
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Old Feb 08, 2018, 09:31 PM
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Hugs, NP. I was crying on the way to session the other day (then in session), so I get it. You're not screwing things up--you're dealing with a very difficult and painful situation. That's good he's offering the Sunday phone call--hopefully you'll take him up on it. Maybe you can try journaling about what happened in session today? Not tonight necessarily, but when you feel more ready for it. I find it helps me process things if I type/write them out (but it might be different for you).
If I could write a coherent post about what happened I would. Is anyone available to go into the chat room?
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Old Feb 08, 2018, 09:46 PM
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Elio, that sounds like a scary way to feel, like you're slipping away from yourself. Is there any one moment you can trace back and say it started then? Do you think it could be because you are so diligent and hardworking in therapy, giving so much you are exhausted?
I can't pin point a single thing. Several little things yes. I think getting braces has kicked my ED into activation which feeds lots of other negativity. Then there just seems to have been one thing after another after another. Exhaustion is definitely playing into it. I would love to hide from reality for awhile. It is getting harder and harder to have the energy to just do life.

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I'm sorry you're suffering right now, Elio. Do you think it has to do with your therapist's long weekend coming up? Anticipatory rejection in action?
Yeah this is in play too. I just "know" she's leaving me. What I know is that this is the life she wants to have, and she wants to keep being my therapist, and something really really bad would have to happen for her not to return. What I "know" is she's going far far away and she's not coming back because of me.
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Old Feb 08, 2018, 10:43 PM
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Yeah, the thing I think they miss is that while it's a workday to them, the person across from them is likely being open and vulnerable, the way that therapy seems to dictate. So even if their issues are not as pressing as the therapist's, the therapist is wearing work armor while the client is skinless. Things are going to feel infinitely more intense for the client in that setting (for those who open up in therapy and take that risk, that is). It's so much better to know that there were factors outside of me at play, rather than to take the blame for all of it on myself or to think I imagined it all.
Skinless, yes.
I once described the input t was offering me as like offering a wool coat to a person with no skin.

Wool coats are great. They're warm, they're comfy, they protect you from the weather. But when you're that raw, even a wool coat is abrasive and unwelcome.

As is being bumped into by someone else's issues. I'm glad your t explained, rr. At least you know it wasn't you. Hugs.
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Old Feb 08, 2018, 10:45 PM
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Old Feb 08, 2018, 11:07 PM
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Elio, I wish I knew the right words to say that could help. I'm so sorry you're suffering like this. I'm seeing the pain/fear/angst almost like deep blues and purples colors in waves coming off your words. If you're open to it I'm sending out healing energy your way. (((Elio)))
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 12:59 AM
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Sister update: Good news! She's going to try to get help. She broke down crying today admitting she needs help. She wants to go back to her old church. I personally prefer her to see a therapist, but a pastor can still be a good support. And she's back on her meds, but it's only been a few days. She didn't fired her custody attorney. And she'll be looking for a criminal attorney tomorrow.

I'm feeling better now.
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 04:43 AM
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I finally got the police report today and I tried to read it. I kept seeing my name all over the page. NP was upset and crying. NP told me he's been verbally abusive. I felt this terror start to rise, like I was going to have to relive that night again, so I had to stop reading. This may be worse than listening to the 911 call. So much detail. I'm going to ask that we read it together in session.
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 08:21 AM
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*I don't know where to post this so figured this is good enough place, I will deleted it if belongs somewhere else.

I have been struggling for a while. I'll have moments of feeling better, mostly I'm just so sad, I've lost whatever little interest I did have in things, and my ED is not being managed. I'm shutting down. I can feel how fake I am becoming. I have started to debate even keeping up my journal. I believe T doesn't want me to email her and she doesn't want to keep seeing me at some level forever (the plan was to keep her monthly/every other month as a touchstone around my ED issues once all other things had gotten addressed).

And no T hasn't said anything to indicate these beliefs. In fact, we've been discussion increasing sessions and moving more psychoanalysis/analytical.

I feel like I'm not living a life. That what people see is not me, that I'm not allowed to live.
Elio I'm sorry your in so much pain right now. You do have a right to live. Increasing session number does sound like a good idea right now and if your therapist has said she's okay with getting emails I wouldn't think twice about getting more support if it helps keep you safe.

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Old Feb 09, 2018, 10:38 AM
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Nick Park (wallace and gromet) also has a new movie coming out soon, "Early Man".
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 10:41 AM
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 10:43 AM
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I thought you were in canada?
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 12:57 PM
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 01:13 PM
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*I don't know where to post this so figured this is good enough place, I will deleted it if belongs somewhere else.

I have been struggling for a while. I'll have moments of feeling better, mostly I'm just so sad, I've lost whatever little interest I did have in things, and my ED is not being managed. I'm shutting down. I can feel how fake I am becoming. I have started to debate even keeping up my journal. I believe T doesn't want me to email her and she doesn't want to keep seeing me at some level forever (the plan was to keep her monthly/every other month as a touchstone around my ED issues once all other things had gotten addressed).

And no T hasn't said anything to indicate these beliefs. In fact, we've been discussion increasing sessions and moving more psychoanalysis/analytical.

I feel like I'm not living a life. That what people see is not me, that I'm not allowed to live.
Update: had session yesterday after this post. It was a hard session. I feel a bit better today, not as sad today. It is so hard to stay in that place of feeling feelings - to not disassociate because of them or not close them down, box them away, and kind of laugh at them.
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 01:14 PM
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Hard sessions are never fun, Elio, but I am glad to hear you're doing a little better today.
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 01:27 PM
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I sent my T that Kristen Bell video, and she replied that it was "funny and adorable." She hadn't seen it before I sent it but now it's apparently blowing up on her Facebook feed. Yesterday she wanted to "process" the video in session ("it was funny, but how does that make you feeeeel?"). Then she told me some similar things she felt about a former therapist of hers. It was completely charming.
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 01:38 PM
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I sent my T that Kristen Bell video, and she replied that it was "funny and adorable." She hadn't seen it before I sent it but now it's apparently blowing up on her Facebook feed. Yesterday she wanted to "process" the video in session ("it was funny, but how does that make you feeeeel?"). Then she told me some similar things she felt about a former therapist of hers. It was completely charming.
My T also wanted thought it was funny and wanted to process it with me... I think she wanted to know what parts of it (beyond separation and mommy) resonated with me. I didn't tell her that most of it resonated with me. I think it is nice that your T shared some of her experiences around it and her therapy - as long as that type of disclosure works for you guys.
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 01:57 PM
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My T also wanted thought it was funny and wanted to process it with me... I think she wanted to know what parts of it (beyond separation and mommy) resonated with me. I didn't tell her that most of it resonated with me. I think it is nice that your T shared some of her experiences around it and her therapy - as long as that type of disclosure works for you guys.
Yeah, I'm fine with most types of disclosure from her, and she's aware of the few things that tend to bug me. This was more about her professional admiration for her therapist, but in a slight hero-worshippy way.

I would say 90% of that video resonated with me. I do imagine her doing oil paintings, but not of my face (she loved the "f***ing covered in fine art" bit). She asked if I found the video normalizing, and I said yes and no. It's nice to see a relatable parody, but it also makes me feel like a bit of a cliché.
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Old Feb 09, 2018, 03:03 PM
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I don't really relate to that video, but if I were to have one made to resemble my therapy, it would have a split screen with what the therapist really thinks, things that show her contempt and irritation--Oh god, not this topic again. Geezus, this client is irritating. I have been through so much worse. This hour can't get over soon enough.
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