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you know what i am going to do i am going to type exactdly how i am right now into a ****ing word doc and i ma going to read it to her next week then she wil l kNOW
Yes! She needs to know.
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Old Sep 03, 2020, 02:26 AM
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Yes! She needs to know.

You think? I'm kinda afraid she'd drop me like a hot potato if she knew how messed up I really am that Ihave hidden from her all this time because o my st upid f;ing p ride and my NEED to be the good little gir.. idon't care. i'm going to do i ta nyway.
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Old Sep 03, 2020, 02:29 AM
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Kinda sucks that these t's purport to this whole 'walking beside' us and **** but ar ethey there when we are really in th ****ing frying pan? no! i wan ther NOW!!!! at midnight:20! i fshe saw me NOW she would likey run the other direction at 100 mph.
That's your understandable fear, that she'll run.

Not long ago I told T something which had cost me someone I loved like the family I never had. That someone's love towards me changed completely. I lost their love, they told me I'm a monster. It ripped open all my healed wounds. It destroyed my fledging sense of "i am an ok person".

I thought T would ditch me too.

I don't think L will run but I understand the fear.
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Old Sep 03, 2020, 02:31 AM
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You think? I'm kinda afraid she'd drop me like a hot potato if she knew how messed up I really am that Ihave hidden from her all this time because o my st upid f;ing p ride and my NEED to be the good little gir.. idon't care. i'm going to do i ta nyway.
I don't think she'd drop you. But i understand the very real fear. And some Ts can't do this. I believe L can, and we couchies are here.
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Old Sep 03, 2020, 02:32 AM
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I love my T immensely too and what you have with L is incredible.

She can hurt you so badly due to that bond... I'm not ragging on her but i hope she can never forget how she holds your heart.

An analogy i read from a WordPress friend is that she's like an egg. Her ex T spent years breaking down the shell, they did lots of work in the white...and when they touched the yolk, the T couldn't do it. She would be shamed for being unable to comfort her child parts herself and it was agonising for her to be terminated by that therapist.

The yolk work requires great care and love. Not all Ts can do it. Maybe you and L are in the yolk, and she sees it, hence the pushing? She can push and i know you love her (and she, you) AND she still needs to hold you with love, you know?

wow. WOW. wow. yes.
that.
we are TOTALLY entering the yolk.
i have never heard that comparison before.


BUT that's where we are.
And i think she does see it. and that's why she's pushing me. And I am accepting it, although v ery grudgingly. i trie dto tak e a break today. but that's why we got into an argument. she yelled at me and pusehd the hell outta me to not tak e a break. i did agree, that i don't wan tot quitagain just at this point where somtehing huge an dpainful is about to happen. She sai d we nee dto get THROUGH this. it hurt. i hated it. but i pusehdmyowneslf and i said yes i want to get ThROUGH this finally. i HAVE to do this no matter how much it hurts. but i'm scared. i don't know what it is that i tried to run away from agian.
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Old Sep 03, 2020, 02:34 AM
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You think? I'm kinda afraid she'd drop me like a hot potato if she knew how messed up I really am that Ihave hidden from her all this time because o my st upid f;ing p ride and my NEED to be the good little gir.. idon't care. i'm going to do i ta nyway.
Also your pride has survival value, so does mine. Same for "good little girl". We had to be good, to be as perfect as possible, to try to keep ourselves safe. On some level, we were taught that if we weren't perfect, we would be harmed.

It's so hard ti change precisely because it bought some desperately needed safety, it's a defense protecting some deep core wounds.
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That's your understandable fear, that she'll run.

Not long ago I told T something which had cost me someone I loved like the family I never had. That someone's love towards me changed completely. I lost their love, they told me I'm a monster. It ripped open all my healed wounds. It destroyed my fledging sense of "i am an ok person".

I thought T would ditch me too.

I don't think L will run but I understand the fear.

thank you so much again fo rbeing here tonite. i'm so sorry you ahd to go through that. you are WAY more than JUST ok. you are awesome and beautiful.

i dont' think she will run either, not deepdown inside, but i tis a fear.
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Old Sep 03, 2020, 02:37 AM
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Also your pride has survival value, so does mine. Same for "good little girl". We had to be good, to be as perfect as possible, to try to keep ourselves safe. On some level, we were taught that if we weren't perfect, we would be harmed.

It's so hard ti change precisely because it bought some desperately needed safety, it's a defense protecting some deep core wounds.

such a goo dpoint about prideb ing a survival value. this damn good little girl complex want s to kill me somtimes i think. that's what got me today. wanting to be the perfect good little girl but she forced me to admit that i'm NOT and that hurt hurt hurt
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like if i' mnot the perfect little client she won't love me i have to be perfect in order to deserve love and i know in my head that' snot true but my heart doesn't care a whit what my stupid head knows
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Old Sep 03, 2020, 02:39 AM
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thank yo ufor saving me from drunk emailing L
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Old Sep 03, 2020, 02:47 AM
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like if i' mnot the perfect little client she won't love me i have to be perfect in order to deserve love and i know in my head that' snot true but my heart doesn't care a whit what my stupid head knows


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such a goo dpoint about prideb ing a survival value. this damn good little girl complex want s to kill me somtimes i think. that's what got me today. wanting to be the perfect good little girl but she forced me to admit that i'm NOT and that hurt hurt hurt


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You are worthy of love even when not perfect, dear Art. You are lovable as you are. Drunk, crying, snotty. Heck I'd drink with you and hug you.

My protective instinct is rather pissed with L right now.

With trust comes immense capacity to wound, therapists ought to be highly aware of that. Like it or not, the therapist will never be as vulnerable as the client. Not when the attachment on the client's end can be deep and literally ****ing feel like psychological annihilation.

Can you email her the part about how she hurt you?
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Old Sep 03, 2020, 02:52 AM
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You are worthy of love even when not perfect, dear Art. You are lovable as you are. Drunk, crying, snotty. Heck I'd drink with you and hug you.

My protective instinct is rather pissed with L right now.

With trust comes immense capacity to wound, therapists ought to be highly aware of that. Like it or not, the therapist will never be as vulnerable as the client. Not when the attachment on the client's end can be deep and literally ****ing feel like psychological annihilation.

Can you email her the part about how she hurt you?

Thank you.

Well, I won't email it to her, but I am typing it all out in a word doc and I plan to read it to her next week. That will be best I think. To say it to her in real time.

Psychological annihilation is SUCH an apt description, btw.
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wow just WOW. I hadn't really ever thought of that way somehow but it's so TRUE isn't it?
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i need to go to bed it's almost 1 am here and i've been up since 5:15 am i'm about to fall asleep on my keybaord. thank you SO MUCH fo rbeing her e tonight QM. you deserve so much love and respect too. you're such a dear caring soul .thankyou.
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wow. WOW. wow. yes.
that.
we are TOTALLY entering the yolk.
i have never heard that comparison before.


BUT that's where we are.
And i think she does see it. and that's why she's pushing me. And I am accepting it, although v ery grudgingly. i trie dto tak e a break today. but that's why we got into an argument. she yelled at me and pusehd the hell outta me to not tak e a break. i did agree, that i don't wan tot quitagain just at this point where somtehing huge an dpainful is about to happen. She sai d we nee dto get THROUGH this. it hurt. i hated it. but i pusehdmyowneslf and i said yes i want to get ThROUGH this finally. i HAVE to do this no matter how much it hurts. but i'm scared. i don't know what it is that i tried to run away from agian.
I get her frustration but hey she shouldn't have yelled. This kind of work can be very important, and it's also very very very very painful for the client. Of course you'd want to run, take a break. Old patterns flare up because this is very deep and terrifying.

She can call you out ANNNNNDDDD validate your fear. She can offer you choice, so it doesn't feel so scary. Like a safe word on bdsm.

I asked my T "what will happen to me when I process?" because I, too, am scared shitless.

She can be firm but still loving and respectful of your fears
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Thank you.

Well, I won't email it to her, but I am typing it all out in a word doc and I plan to read it to her next week. That will be best I think. To say it to her in real time.

Psychological annihilation is SUCH an apt description, btw.
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I get her frustration but hey she shouldn't have yelled. This kind of work can be very important, and it's also very very very very painful for the client. Of course you'd want to run, take a break. Old patterns flare up because this is very deep and terrifying.

She can call you out ANNNNNDDDD validate your fear. She can offer you choice, so it doesn't feel so scary. Like a safe word on bdsm.

I asked my T "what will happen to me when I process?" because I, too, am scared shitless.

She can be firm but still loving and respectful of your fears
she was after she yelled at me and pulle dherslf back a llittel from that. it acrtually was probably good that sh edid. it woke n eu pusome.
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I wish I understood why I keep running away from therapy. I'm not going to do that this time. I am determined. No matter how much it hurts. I think this stupid ****ing video therapy is actually turning out to be a GOOD thing for me with the way L is being so much more directive. Part of me hates it like heck, but another part of me knows it's necessary and hopes that she doesn't pull back just because I bawled like a ****ing baby today. God I hate that I am so pulled to this. I have to keep going back. I have to finish this. I HAVE to.
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Got into a stupid tearful argument with L for part of my session that just ended half hour ago. I hate it when we argue. And then she yelled at me on top of that! She did afterward say she should not have yelled. I suppose she had a right to. I probably deserved it I did get a tad snippy at her. Argh. This is the most confounding relationship of my entire life.


You 100% didn't deserve any of that.

I personally don't think any T ever has a right to yell at a client (unless their obviously in danger and all of that).
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I love my T immensely too and what you have with L is incredible.

She can hurt you so badly due to that bond... I'm not ragging on her but i hope she can never forget how she holds your heart.

An analogy i read from a WordPress friend is that she's like an egg. Her ex T spent years breaking down the shell, they did lots of work in the white...and when they touched the yolk, the T couldn't do it. She would be shamed for being unable to comfort her child parts herself and it was agonising for her to be terminated by that therapist.

The yolk work requires great care and love. Not all Ts can do it. Maybe you and L are in the yolk, and she sees it, hence the pushing? She can push and i know you love her (and she, you) AND she still needs to hold you with love, you know?

I like that analogy. My T will talk about the center of the onion, which is similar, having to go through the layers to get there.
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Also your pride has survival value, so does mine. Same for "good little girl". We had to be good, to be as perfect as possible, to try to keep ourselves safe. On some level, we were taught that if we weren't perfect, we would be harmed.

It's so hard ti change precisely because it bought some desperately needed safety, it's a defense protecting some deep core wounds.

I have the "good little girl" complex as well. It comes out the most with "authority figures" (including T's), but can come out with friends and partners, too. I was a good student and I followed the rules (well, till partway through college). I didn't really "rebel" till like junior year of college. I still don't want to bother or upset anyone because I fear rejection. My mom has in her mind certain ways that people should be, and I looked for acceptance in that, hiding other parts of myself.


I've now found that I need to let some of those parts show. Or else I think things like "If this friend knew x about me, they'd drop me in a second." For a bit, that led to probably oversharing, like "testing." I think I've hit a healthier balance now, which is something that Dr. T has helped with considerably.


I think it could be good that this dynamic is playing out with your T, Artie (though not the yelling part). Working through it together could be helpful and powerful, assuming your T can handle her emotions, too.
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I think it could be good that this dynamic is playing out with your T, Artie (though not the yelling part). Working through it together could be helpful and powerful, assuming your T can handle her emotions, too.

thanks LT. I think so too, and I think that's why I didn't let myself quit and run away yesterday even though that's what I so wanted to do.
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Just wondering what does the finish line look for you?

I could not answer that question until this morning.

The finish line for me, looks like finally letting go of my good little girl complex/persona.
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