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Old Nov 14, 2022, 11:19 AM
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Nice one, LT! It caught me out.
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Old Nov 14, 2022, 01:30 PM
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Aw, you didn't kill it Artie!

I often question things like you do at times that I feel I'm dong better. Like, Is this real? Am I just holding it together, then something will happen, and it will all fall apart?

This is an interesting question: "Wondering also about some of these tools I learned in the cbt program - especially the 3 c's (catch it, check it, change it) is changing my thoughts, really another way of just avoiding (pretending)?" I mean, maybe, in a way, many of us (myself included) *do* need to pretend in order to do and feel better.

Thinking of myself, if my true, genuine thoughts are anxiety about what could go wrong, fear of rejection around every corner, etc., then I think the only way for me to overcome those in some way is to pretend to myself, at least in the shorter term. Like, to use a very recent example, if I say to myself, "LT, you're being ridiculous--your T saying you had to stop for the day doesn't mean he's upset with your or rejecting you." If I manage to believe that, am I just pretending? Because it's not my true, underlying feeling/fear? And is there anything wrong with that?

Or if I'm thinking to myself "I'm totally going to get fired from this new freelance job. I'm not learning quickly enough and I had to ask for an extension once already." If I tell myself, "OK, LT, you have yet to be fired from a job. Of course they expect you to have a learning curve. And they were understanding about the extension, because of the weird computer issues, and it wasn't even for that long."--is that faking it/pretending? Or is it trying to stop myself from catastrophizing, which I think is a *good* thing?

Just throwing a couple things out there.
I think those examples are two very different things, which is interesting. The first one is pretty invalidating ("stop being ridiculous") and you're trying to use logic to reassure yourself about something you really can't possibly know. Maybe he is furious! Probably not, but still. Then what happens if he is? You can't control that.

The second one is much more self-compassionate.("There is a learning curve, it wasn't that long even though it felt like it," etc) It's using a reassuring tone and giving yourself a break because you know you're trying your hardest. It's much more validating and probably much more likely to have you actually feeling better over the long run without feeling like you're faking it.

ETA: Today's Wordle took me four. Yesterday's almost destroyed my streak!
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Old Nov 14, 2022, 03:00 PM
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Old Nov 14, 2022, 03:16 PM
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I think those examples are two very different things, which is interesting. The first one is pretty invalidating ("stop being ridiculous") and you're trying to use logic to reassure yourself about something you really can't possibly know. Maybe he is furious! Probably not, but still. Then what happens if he is? You can't control that.

The second one is much more self-compassionate.("There is a learning curve, it wasn't that long even though it felt like it," etc) It's using a reassuring tone and giving yourself a break because you know you're trying your hardest. It's much more validating and probably much more likely to have you actually feeling better over the long run without feeling like you're faking it.

ETA: Today's Wordle took me four. Yesterday's almost destroyed my streak!
You make some really good points here about the differences in my examples! I hadn't really thought of it that way. Particularly how one is invalidating and the other is self-compassionate. Now I'm trying to think of a self-compassionate way to frame the first one...

I'm really starting to wonder if Dr. T took some continuing ed classes on attachment or something. Because today he talked about studies involving young children with anxious attachment (also some Freud stuff with the superego). And he made what I think is a very astute comment: "I almost wonder if each session ending feels like a mini-abandonment to you."

Which made me start crying, because it *does* feel that way--I just hadn't really thought of it like that before. And then I said I agreed, but that I also felt sort of pathetic for thinking that. But it suggests that he understands more.

Oh, and yesterday's Wordle? I ended up getting it in 3. BUT the amount of time I spent staring at it and thinking of giving up before my third guess was really long. I don't have to worry about spoilers because it was yesterday's. I had the _ _ AN _, and I knew one letter was I, and it wasn't in the second spot. So it had to start or end in I. I thought it was going to break my brain! (I forget sometimes that letters can be used twice.)
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Old Nov 14, 2022, 03:37 PM
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Didn't talk to my T over the weekend. She couldn't accommodate me on Friday night. Then she offered Saturday night but I really didn't want to talk to her over the weekend because I had a lot of stuff to do (though maybe I should have talked to her because I didn't get all my stuff done). And when she texted about talking to her on Saturday night I told her that I felt too tired, too mute, and too catatonic like to try to have a session, all of which were true. She was like, okay, I just wanted you to know I hadn't forgotten about you. Yeah. Whatever. Then she texted me on Sunday to see if I went to Church and how I was and what I was thinking about. So I told her I went to Church, the Rams were losing, and that I wrote out Christmas Cards, to which she was like, did you write one for me? I was like yep. She was super excited about that. Like a little kid. I guess we will talk tomorrow unless something else happens. I am not holding my breath. If I talk to her, I talk to her. If not, c'est la vie which is my new favorite saying.
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Old Nov 14, 2022, 04:21 PM
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Hug, Kit. That sounds frustrating, about your T with scheduling. And then seeming really excited about your writing her a Christmas card? That strikes me as maybe a bit odd. Not that you're writing her one, but that she specifically asked and is excited about it.
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Old Nov 14, 2022, 04:30 PM
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Exactly, LT.

The 'expectation' is strange.
A Christmas card is a way of showing care for someone, and wishing them well for the season.
I can't remember ever asking for or being asked whether I've written a card for someone outside of family.

I'm sorry you have to navigate this on top of everything else, Kit.
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Old Nov 14, 2022, 04:30 PM
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Hug, Kit. That sounds frustrating, about your T with scheduling. And then seeming really excited about your writing her a Christmas card? That strikes me as maybe a bit odd. Not that you're writing her one, but that she specifically asked and is excited about it.
Yes, I sort of wonder if I am reaching my tolerance threshold with her because I like don't even care anymore. When she couldn't accommodate me on Friday when I was in real crisis and then could only get to me Saturday evening, I was just like, I'm done. Mic drop. If I needed to I could have just gone to the walk in clinic. Which is for crisis stuff. But instead my parents just helped me/kept an eye on me and I got through it.

Though, I think there may have been some stubborn rebelliousness in me for not taking her up on Saturday night's session. Because I got to be the one that said no. Instead of hearing no from her. Not that I will bring that up in therapy. But just to acknowledge it in myself. I was being a bit stubborn to my own detriment.
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Old Nov 14, 2022, 09:44 PM
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I would not do well in a glutton-free environment.

My good mood evaporated yesterday when problem ableist colleague who insisted on mediation contacts the chair and says she wants to attend faculty meetings. And she wants to do it on zoom because of our “agreement.” Zoom is only for those with covid accommodations or actively sick. This woman claims she’s immunocompromised but isn’t so medically, so has to attend in person. She’s skipped the first two.

Chair recalls no such agreement and asks me. I say she must be thinking of the agreement that if she and I needed to communicate about administrative stuff and email would not suffice we would do it on zoom.

I don’t even know why I had to be involved; I think there’s a good chance she’s just being manipulative. I did take the opportunity to give chair a piece of my mind on how badly the whole situation was handled.

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Old Nov 14, 2022, 10:25 PM
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Omg! Now SHE wants accommodations? She has got a lot of nerve. Tell her her ilk was rejected at the polls.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 05:00 AM
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I'm so sorry, @@.

I'm amazed that senior members of staff are allowing this to continue.
You were the person who originally requested reasonable adjustments, and as such your request should stand.

It should have been granted yesterday....and I have a feeling it would have been if this person wasn't being a moron about it.

I hope there's some chance of resolution.
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I'm sorry, @@. I'm amazed too that stuff like this continues and also hope there's some chance things can be resolved in a way that works for you.
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i had a weird dream last night. in the dream i'm living in some kind of hippie commune or something, and it's back in the 70's. Then suddenly the scene shifts to present-day and I'm in a conference room at an old job back in CA and one of my teammates from back then stands up and begins singing opera.
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 09:05 AM
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I'm so sorry, @@.

I'm amazed that senior members of staff are allowing this to continue.
You were the person who originally requested reasonable adjustments, and as such your request should stand.

It should have been granted yesterday....and I have a feeling it would have been if this person wasn't being a moron about it.

I hope there's some chance of resolution.

Agreed!

And it takes a lot of nerve for her to now ask for an accommodation...
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I would not do well in a glutton-free environment.

My good mood evaporated yesterday when problem ableist colleague who insisted on mediation contacts the chair and says she wants to attend faculty meetings. And she wants to do it on zoom because of our “agreement.” Zoom is only for those with covid accommodations or actively sick. This woman claims she’s immunocompromised but isn’t so medically, so has to attend in person. She’s skipped the first two.

Chair recalls no such agreement and asks me. I say she must be thinking of the agreement that if she and I needed to communicate about administrative stuff and email would not suffice we would do it on zoom.

I don’t even know why I had to be involved; I think there’s a good chance she’s just being manipulative. I did take the opportunity to give chair a piece of my mind on how badly the whole situation was handled.
I'm sorry tistet I hope it gets sorted
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You make some really good points here about the differences in my examples! I hadn't really thought of it that way. Particularly how one is invalidating and the other is self-compassionate. Now I'm trying to think of a self-compassionate way to frame the first one...
I find the first one much harder too. The "reframing your belief" thing in EMDR always has to focus on yourself and not the other person. So maybe in this case that'd be more like "I'm lovable" or "I'm a good person" or "I'm capable of handling this." So instead of trying to convince yourself that the other person isn't upset with you, it would be more like, "Dr. T and I have navigated painful conflicts before and it turned out okay. I have the [skills/internal resources/support] to get through this regardless of how he actually feels or what the outcome is."
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I did take the opportunity to give chair a piece of my mind on how badly the whole situation was handled.
I was scrolling up from the bottom and when I saw this line, I thought, "Huh. Apparently ATAT is giving gestalt therapy a try..."
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LT - re t ending session - part of that is what some of us DIDNT learn in kindergarten - making transitions. Ive been accused of not being able to handle transitions. Hey even football gives a 5 minute warning. Other people are just being rude! And i dont like to use the word rude, but it applies here - they are being pushy instead of having built trust. I bet there were huge fights before the 5 minute warning was established.

Also, i had a hard time with ending sessions period. So i finally just asked my t - we are here talking about miserable stuff. When exactly am i supposed to cheer up from this? I guess i couldnt transition on my own. So he started sending me out with a smile.
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i had a weird dream last night. in the dream i'm living in some kind of hippie commune or something, and it's back in the 70's. Then suddenly the scene shifts to present-day and I'm in a conference room at an old job back in CA and one of my teammates from back then stands up and begins singing opera.
Maybe you're missing community?

He got up to sing because he had something to say? What's your song Art?
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Old Nov 15, 2022, 03:41 PM
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I advise keeping track of the time and standing up and leaving one minute before time is up (this both kept me in control and confused the therapist -so win win for me). It never mattered what the person I was handing money to sit there and do nothing thought.
Of course, I also believe there is far too much validation of doofy things (in the wake of the pending Harvard case and some other things, my school is going doofy overload) so I will be an outlier again (or still - I can't remember).

In dream world - I had a very disturbing dream (nightmare) about both women last night.
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I don’t even know why I had to be involved; I think there’s a good chance she’s just being manipulative. I did take the opportunity to give chair a piece of my mind on how badly the whole situation was handled.
Glad you told them.
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SD: dear lord, where has this therapist been all my life?
That would mean I was having a stroke - not playing a game
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SD - at least give us a hint! Kissing or killing?
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