[true1]

Relationships can only be sustained by complete truth and honesty. the instant fear enters the picture, whether it is fear of losing the other, or fear of what the partner might think about you, you have lost connection with that person and your mind/ego is in the way. If this happens, you have to be completely honest with them and tell them how you feel, and recognize it is just your mind; an impermanent creator of dramas that are not real. "you" are not really real, your ego is just an accumulation of attachments to things that passed through your life. when you are willing to let go of these, you are willing to love; you are willing to share the present moment with your love, and be as one. There is nothing stopping you except your bodies, but you will be able to share everything with one another without fear. fear is nothing in the presence of love.

[VickiesPath]

Okie Dokie!

[lynn P.]

Have you been reading 'A new Earth' by chance.

[Edahn]

Originally Posted by lynn P.

Have you been reading 'A new Earth' by chance.

I have! lol

[lynn P.]

Originally Posted by Edahn

I have! lol

Probably 90% of the population has - thanks to - guess who - OPRAH*

*inside joke between the answerers LOL

[Lost71]

Originally Posted by lynn P.

Probably 90% of the population has - thanks to - guess who - OPRAH*

*inside joke between the answerers LOL

... one of the illiterate 10%

[Edahn]

Originally Posted by lynn P.

Probably 90% of the population has - thanks to - guess who - OPRAH*

*inside joke between the answerers LOL

The inside joke being that lynn IS Oprah, fyi. Man, there are no good laughing smilies! But like an overwhelming amount of crying ones! lol. Oh well.

[thunderbear]

Originally Posted by Edahn

The inside joke being that lynn IS Oprah, fyi. Man, there are no good laughing smilies! But like an overwhelming amount of crying ones! lol. Oh well.

LOL Edahn. I agree with the part about the smilies, lol

[VickiesPath]

[Xelora]

I like this.

Originally Posted by true1

Relationships can only be sustained by complete truth and honesty. the instant fear enters the picture, whether it is fear of losing the other, or fear of what the partner might think about you, you have lost connection with that person and your mind/ego is in the way. If this happens, you have to be completely honest with them and tell them how you feel, and recognize it is just your mind; an impermanent creator of dramas that are not real. "you" are not really real, your ego is just an accumulation of attachments to things that passed through your life. when you are willing to let go of these, you are willing to love; you are willing to share the present moment with your love, and be as one. There is nothing stopping you except your bodies, but you will be able to share everything with one another without fear. fear is nothing in the presence of love.

[Jethro Tull]

Wow true1, I really, really like this post. It resonates strongly with how I see true love; being completely present without mental intrusions. Relationships need to be founded on truth and love, or else the mind will get in the way. Honesty before love is the only way.

If you have time, check out a post I recently made on my blog. It coincides perfectly with your post. I would absolutely love to know your thoughts about it.

The Spiritual Man - My Vows

[true1]

Originally Posted by lynn P.

Have you been reading 'A new Earth' by chance.

I have glanced through it, but i was just writing from the heart. All truth is the same, so it will look the same when people are speaking honestly. But yes, I think Eckhart Tolle is a good person to have on this earth.

[true1]

Thanks Jethro. I checked out your blog and I congratulate you. I think more men need to realize these things, and need to realize the real worth of love and women instead of the love of power. I am ofcourse generalizing, but there is still a lot in the media that simply shows us that many still see women as inferior because the ego still dominates the world, and ego likes to dominate and use things instead of seeing everything as having equal worth. Just look at how our adds portray women or how music videos show half naked women dancing around a wealthy and powerful man. A woman's ego is built off of the projection of the male ego, telling her to be a certain way for him. Both are at fault however, and both need to break out of the illusory mind.
when the power of love overcomes the love of power, this world will know peace.

[Bill1800]

Originally Posted by lynn P.

Have you been reading 'A new Earth' by chance.

A new earth....do u recommend....I am in the 10%

[Jethro Tull]

Originally Posted by true1

Thanks Jethro. I checked out your blog and I congratulate you. I think more men need to realize these things, and need to realize the real worth of love and women instead of the love of power. I am ofcourse generalizing, but there is still a lot in the media that simply shows us that many still see women as inferior because the ego still dominates the world, and ego likes to dominate and use things instead of seeing everything as having equal worth. Just look at how our adds portray women or how music videos show half naked women dancing around a wealthy and powerful man. A woman's ego is built off of the projection of the male ego, telling her to be a certain way for him. Both are at fault however, and both need to break out of the illusory mind.
when the power of love overcomes the love of power, this world will know peace.

Your posts are very powerful and they resonate with me strongly. This post shows the vicious circle that men and women are in because of the illusory mind. That was my intent, to show that men do not have to deceive, and that complete truth and honesty must come before love. It cannot work the other way around. Thank you for your inspiring words.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by Jethro Tull

That was my intent, to show that men do not have to deceive, and that complete truth and honesty must come before love. It cannot work the other way around.

Hi Jethro...

I respectfully disagree...Truth and Honesty can be mutually exclusive...You can be honest about a lie,,but if you believe the lie it seems true. Denial is a usefull example. Truth is reality despite perspective.

Truth and honesty are intellectual endeavors.

Love is an emotion.

They are acutally processed in different parts of the brain.

They can and are often mututally exclusive. We often Love who and what are harmfull to us.

IMHO.

Lenny

[KathyM]

Originally Posted by true1

Thanks Jethro. I checked out your blog and I congratulate you. I think more men need to realize these things, and need to realize the real worth of love and women instead of the love of power. I am ofcourse generalizing, but there is still a lot in the media that simply shows us that many still see women as inferior because the ego still dominates the world, and ego likes to dominate and use things instead of seeing everything as having equal worth. Just look at how our adds portray women or how music videos show half naked women dancing around a wealthy and powerful man. A woman's ego is built off of the projection of the male ego, telling her to be a certain way for him. Both are at fault however, and both need to break out of the illusory mind.
when the power of love overcomes the love of power, this world will know peace.

Though we have come a long way.

[lynn P.]

Originally Posted by Bill1800

A new earth....do u recommend....I am in the 10%

The original post by 'true' reminded me of Eckart Tolle's book A new Earth. The joke about 90% of the population reading was referring to how powerful Opah's book endorsements are for the writer. I think 'True's' statement was very beautiful and it is a compliment that I compared his statement to the book. Yes I would recommend this book to anyone who's looking for greater meaning in life and relationships.

[quote=Lenny;1117909]Hi Jethro...

.Truth and Honesty can be mutually exclusive...You can be honest about a lie,,but if you believe the lie it seems true. Denial is a usefull example. Truth is reality despite perspective.

[quote]

Could you give a real life visual example to explain this. The mutally exclusive slipps my mind .. could be because Im rea tred right now.

Truth and honesty are intellectual endeavors.

Love is an emotion.

They are acutally processed in different parts of the brain.

They can and are often mututally exclusive. We often Love who and what are harmfull to us.

Oh wait .. I think I remember. Its like wanting to buy a new scale and the boy friend dashes it to pieces because its destroying his girlfriends need to loose more weight which could kill her.

or in my case . I do not want others to know or see me loose my hair or get my brain further decapsistaed or my kidneys torched.

So Im willing to risk not doing what could save my life .just to have them know Im still intact. and enjoying life as they are .

Patricia

[jerrymichele]

Originally Posted by Bill1800

A new earth....do u recommend....I am in the 10%

I read the entire book a long while ago. Some things are good in it, but some things IMO aren't. Reality for me plays a big role in this. I just can't stop worring about everything like the author suggest. Sure I would love to not ever stress out, or be able to just live like nothing is ever wrong, but that just doesn't happen in true like.

[jerrymichele]

Originally Posted by true1

Relationships can only be sustained by complete truth and honesty. the instant fear enters the picture, whether it is fear of losing the other, or fear of what the partner might think about you, you have lost connection with that person and your mind/ego is in the way. If this happens, you have to be completely honest with them and tell them how you feel, and recognize it is just your mind; an impermanent creator of dramas that are not real. "you" are not really real, your ego is just an accumulation of attachments to things that passed through your life. when you are willing to let go of these, you are willing to love; you are willing to share the present moment with your love, and be as one. There is nothing stopping you except your bodies, but you will be able to share everything with one another without fear. fear is nothing in the presence of love.

This is good, and yes I believe people should be truthful, and honest. The truth of the matter is most people have scars from their past. You just can't ignore the fact that they are there. The person who has the fear still needs to heal from it, and that comes with time. Most people enter a relationship with some kind of issue from the past, and we are offten attracted to people who have damanaged us from our past. Just IMO for a relationship to work, first you have got to like the person, and then for it to work, you need similar value systems.

[lynn P.]

Originally Posted by jerrymichele

I read the entire book a long while ago. Some things are good in it, but some things IMO aren't. Reality for me plays a big role in this. I just can't stop worring about everything like the author suggest. Sure I would love to not ever stress out, or be able to just live like nothing is ever wrong, but that just doesn't happen in true like.

That's a good point you made about the book. I agree that some things were good and I struggled with the same issues about the book. I agree it is hard sometimes to block out the past and not worry about the future. What I did like is how the author encourages the reader to separate his/herself from negative thoughts and concentrate on living in the present moment.

[jerrymichele]

Originally Posted by lynn P.

That's a good point you made about the book. I agree that some things were good and I struggled with the same issues about the book. I agree it is hard sometimes to block out the past and not worry about the future. What I did like is how the author encourages the reader to separate his/herself from negative thoughts and concentrate on living in the present moment.

I agree with living in the present moment, but as you know that can be really hard to do for some people. Some of the things like, don't worry about anything, is almost impossible. lol Do you remember the one part this lady was getting sued, anyways he told her not to worry about it. ( I think someone was getting sued. It's been a while since I read the book) Anyways, I was like how can you not worry about something like that? Or if you didn't have enough money for a bill. From what the author states don't worry about. lol Some of the stuff I do agree with, but some of it was far fetched.

[true1]

Originally Posted by jerrymichele

I agree with living in the present moment, but as you know that can be really hard to do for some people. Some of the things like, don't worry about anything, is almost impossible. lol Do you remember the one part this lady was getting sued, anyways he told her not to worry about it. ( I think someone was getting sued. It's been a while since I read the book) Anyways, I was like how can you not worry about something like that? Or if you didn't have enough money for a bill. From what the author states don't worry about. lol Some of the stuff I do agree with, but some of it was far fetched.

I think that it is easy to misinterpret when people suggest living in the present moment. We have never done it (we live always in our thoughts except childhood) so we do not know what it would be like in the present moment. In fact, it is not as if you don't have to keep up with your responsibilities in the present moment. You actually concentrate on them even better because you are not letting invading, worrying thoughts from the past and future come in and mess up your concentration. There really is no sense in worrying anyhow, because that does not change what IS. and what IS is always in the present moment. it is all that exists, so if you are getting sued, fully concentrate on getting sued when you have to deal with the legal issues, but when you are doing other things concentrate on those things too and forget about the past, haha. And remember to take a few moments for your self each day and just feel your body to get in the present moment, it feels great. you are a child of the universe, there is no need to worry.

[topazjane]

Truth and honesty..... It seems easy and logical, till the moment comes when your wish comes true.... Whe you ask "does this dress make me look fat?" and after so many "NOs" the answer after asking for the truth is YES. When you ask "Do you love me?", and he answers, with no thought about how you would feel,"I love you, but I'm not sure that I'm in love with you". You see, you start to notice his answers start to become more honest, truthful, and finally cruel. you can't have one without the other. If you ask me, to wish for this in a relationship is the end. I asked for the truth from my husbund and wow, did I get it. I think that we all think we want the truth. But what we really want to hear is "yes you look beatiful, I need you, I love you, you're special. "No buts, ifs or ands about it. What happens when your greatest fear becomes THE TRUTH? when you feel afraid to ask a question or make a suggestion?.