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Old Mar 19, 2020, 06:07 AM
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Unless it's your dad of course which would be different.

Anyway, you're right, it's a tricky one. It's good that you always reach out for feedback. Keep up the good work.
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 06:15 AM
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The question is do you have to admit you were wrong? Is this about a specific situation where you were blatantly wrong and cause harm to an arrogant person? Like you F'd up their life and they need to know you were wrong? Are you fair weather friends with an arrogant person? For me, unless I was asked about and gave a bad advice or did something specifically wrong I dont see the need to admit I was wrong to someone like that.
At this point, no. I have’t done anything to accidenally hurt an arrogant person. An example I’ll give though is someone who truly believed she knew everything also believed she knew immediately if someone was a true friend or not and has been wrong many times before. She could go on to say that someone is so rude and a bad friend only because the arrogant person was called out on her bull crap by the person she considers rude.

She also doesn’t like it if someone appears to be making new friends besides her so she always trash talks there new friend. Well there was a case where I did become friends with someone and it turns out they really were not a good friend. As much as I realized that was the rare case where the arrogant person was right, I didn’t want to admit it due to how she likes to rub it in and has even said stuff like no one really will ever be there if I needed someone except her. I knew a couple other people that did the same kind of stuff too.
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 06:28 AM
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My dad was the same way. I’ve gotten severe punishments for bad grades. I get bad grades are not good but severe punishments are a bit harsh in my opinion. I’m sorry you went through that.
I am sorry to hear that. There could be many reasons why someone got bad grades, many could be due to unreasonable difficulty of assignments or legitimate limitations of the student. Punishments of any sorts do no good to struggling students.
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 07:52 AM
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I am sorry to hear that. There could be many reasons why someone got bad grades, many could be due to unreasonable difficulty of assignments or legitimate limitations of the student. Punishments of any sorts do no good to struggling students.
I agree, in fact, it only increases fear and anxiety which happened to me. Someone else could get an F on a test and they may be disappointed, and their parents may be as well, but I would be extremely worried and preoccupied about how my dad would react. Like, will he get so mad that he will hit me? Will he lose control and say or do something else he'll regret? All questions I asked myself if I ever got anything between an F and a C. And yeah, bad grades can be from anything.

I've gotten bad grades not because I didn't understand the assignment, but due to the fact that the teacher was consistently not clear about what she wanted. It can even be due to personal opinion towards someone. I've seen that happen where someone will do a great job on something and will get an A and someone else who does just as well gets a B or C. Or even if someone makes some mistakes, a teacher may be more forgiving towards some students compared to others. That's why I don't believe grades always represent intelligence 100 percent of the time.
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 09:08 AM
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I agree, in fact, it only increases fear and anxiety which happened to me. Someone else could get an F on a test and they may be disappointed, and their parents may be as well, but I would be extremely worried and preoccupied about how my dad would react. Like, will he get so mad that he will hit me? Will he lose control and say or do something else he'll regret? All questions I asked myself if I ever got anything between an F and a C. And yeah, bad grades can be from anything.

I've gotten bad grades not because I didn't understand the assignment, but due to the fact that the teacher was consistently not clear about what she wanted. It can even be due to personal opinion towards someone. I've seen that happen where someone will do a great job on something and will get an A and someone else who does just as well gets a B or C. Or even if someone makes some mistakes, a teacher may be more forgiving towards some students compared to others. That's why I don't believe grades always represent intelligence 100 percent of the time.
For sure grades don’t always represent intelligence what so ever. Intelligence is a relative term.

I once had a professor in college who was so unclear on what she wanted (and changed her mind on what she wanted) that the whole class ended up filing a complaint with a dean. It was investigated. Turned out there were many more complaints and we didn’t see her or her name on professor roster next semester. She was not full time professor and I am sure she was let go. We had ton of evidence of her incompetence.

I hate inconsistency.

I am sorry your dad had no understanding of how it works.
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 09:55 AM
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For sure grades don’t always represent intelligence what so ever. Intelligence is a relative term.

I once had a professor in college who was so unclear on what she wanted (and changed her mind on what she wanted) that the whole class ended up filing a complaint with a dean. It was investigated. Turned out there were many more complaints and we didn’t see her or her name on professor roster next semester. She was not full time professor and I am sure she was let go. We had ton of evidence of her incompetence.

I hate inconsistency.

I am sorry your dad had no understanding of how it works.
I had a similar thing in college where a algebra teacher was let go due to having several entire classes get D's and F's. I'm bad at math in the first place but I've never failed a class to the point where I had to retake it. Luckily I got a withdrawal so the F was dropped. And yeah, it doesn't help that he went to a military college and served 13 years in the marines, so 17 years total living in a military style environment. That probably plays a big part in why he is like that, as well as other things too.
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 10:16 AM
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I had a similar thing in college where a algebra teacher was let go due to having several entire classes get D's and F's. I'm bad at math in the first place but I've never failed a class to the point where I had to retake it. Luckily I got a withdrawal so the F was dropped. And yeah, it doesn't help that he went to a military college and served 13 years in the marines, so 17 years total living in a military style environment. That probably plays a big part in why he is like that, as well as other things too.
All d and f? Wow. Not a good sign. Clearly no way that no one in class knew any math

Sadly many people either hate math or feel incompetent simply because they weren’t taught properly by a proper teacher/professor or are scared of math for life for those same reasons.
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 10:27 AM
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All d and f? Wow. Not a good sign. Clearly no way that no one in class knew any math

Sadly many people either hate math or feel incompetent simply because they weren’t taught properly by a proper teacher/professor or are scared of math for life for those same reasons.
Yep. I had a teacher in elementary/middle school who had severe patience and I think even anger problems and threatened to send me to the principal's office just because I wasn't understanding math. That made me afraid to ask for help, especially from him. I wanted to tell another teacher but since I was a lot younger, I didn't think I would be believed which most likely I wouldn't have.
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 01:20 PM
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The entire purpose of education IS to teach students to learn how to learn. It should never be an environment that anyone is supposed to learn how to fear failure. Instead it needs to be an environment to learn how much enjoyment you can actually get by seeing how much you can learn.

A movie that comes to mind is "Dangerous Minds" starring Micheal Phiffer. I liked how she decided to approach these challenged high school students by allowing them to start with an A and try to keep it instead of thinking they could never achieve an A.
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 06:09 PM
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The entire purpose of education IS to teach students to learn how to learn. It should never be an environment that anyone is supposed to learn how to fear failure. Instead it needs to be an environment to learn how much enjoyment you can actually get by seeing how much you can learn.

A movie that comes to mind is "Dangerous Minds" starring Micheal Phiffer. I liked how she decided to approach these challenged high school students by allowing them to start with an A and try to keep it instead of thinking they could never achieve an A.
I agree and oh that sounds like a cool idea!
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 06:50 PM
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It's a good movie rdgrad, if you have time you should search for it and watch it. It's called ,as I mentioned ,"Dangerous Minds".
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Old Mar 19, 2020, 11:24 PM
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It's a good movie rdgrad, if you have time you should search for it and watch it. It's called ,as I mentioned ,"Dangerous Minds".
Yeah I’ll have to watch it?
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