I am wiccan why all the hate

People dont like me only because of my religion. My own boyfriend says i woreship the devil and that is not true. Why are people so narrow minded when it comes to this. I know so many that think that I am not worthy of anything because of this.

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I am a Christian and I do not hate you....... and I have even talked (in full details) to another Wiccan here on PC and she was very kind in trying to help me better understand her beliefs and way - and to be honest they were not that different from my own beliefs and ways, other than I worship God and she worships Mother-Earth (male & female).

Please know that I do not judge you and that I am open to hearing any thing you desire to share with me.

LoVe,
Rhapsody - ((( hugs ))))

I am always ready to accept all belief and don't hate you

((((((((((Samantha44875))))))))))
That word HATE is like a curse word to me. I do not use it as I do not curse. It is such an angered word. I could never Dis like a person because of there religious beliefs.

IMHO~I feel that religious beliefs are some what a guide in peoples lives. They choose to believe and others choose not to. That is there perogative. You believe in what you would like. I feel that it will not change you if anything make you stronger. I am unsure why people judge others on there religon/beliefs.

We are not one's to judge.

I am here for you. If you need a friend. I can see that you have strength to seek out help regarding your Disorder and feel that you have choosen a great place to start.

I'm sorry that people hate you instead of what you might believe. And hate is a strong word in any case Disagreement would be hopeful at best I think? Grrr Anyway, any good Christian won't hate a person, not the person...maybe the item they disagree with.

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Wicca draws from the Old Traditions of Witchcraft. While this is true, we would simply like to clarify up front that Witchcraft and Wicca, while simular in many respects, are not the same. One can be a Witch, without being a Wiccan, just as a person can be a Christian, without being a Baptist. Futhermore, Wicca is a recognized religion, while Witchcraft itself is not considered a religion. Thus, Wicca might best be described as a modern religion, based on ancient Witchcraft traditions.

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I think the above is why you feel some have confusion... Do you agree with the above?

No, I don't hate you. I try not to hate at all. TC

my stepdaughter and her husband are wiccan. I don't hate either of them. I do however worry about their children not hearing the word Of God to make their own choices in their lives. In my belief (Christian) it goes against God's word to practice any kind of witchcraft. Maybe I don't know enough about the subject to even respond. Just concerned. I don't hate people. Like others said you might hate the issues.

I don't hate you either... sometimes the fear of the unknown causes people to come across as being filled with hate...peace, FaithisAlive

I find this to be a fascinating and helpful (to me) website and series of arguments:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcr5.htm

Wicca, is the understanding of the forces of the universe..... EARTH, WATER, FIRE, WIND AND SPIRIT! People hate what they don't understand..... I am a 5th generation, shaman we believe in the same things.....

samantha . . . people fear what they don't understand. everyone has his or her level of spirituality. some say they know love but they judge others. it's human nature to judge. true love transcends all superficiality.

Samantha, perhaps you need to rethink this? Either (imo) you need to learn to not be affected by the "hatred" you feel for believing this way, or find another similar belief system that is not so steeped in witchcraft?

Since there seems to be many avenues of believing in the same thing of nature, it might be easier than to go on being hated. But I understand if you wish to remain in Wicca. I hope you would find someone to study with to be able to learn how to counteract those who dislike you for this.

IDK, but to me Wicca and Shamanism are not the same in that shamanism can be pagan or not, and it's main purpose is for healing. Just my POV

<blockquote><font color=191970>In passing, it should be noted that the English word "witchcraft" means the art and craft of the wise, from wit, to know.

To make matters worse, the Reverend Henricus Institores then succeeded in obtaining a Papal Bull, titled Summis Desiderantes Affectibus, from the newly-elected Pope Innocent VIII in Rome. Dated December 9th. 1484, this document lent the enormous politico-religious clout of the Vatican's imprimatur to an organised attempt to suppress these visionary experiences by giving the Holy Inquisition against so-called "witches" an energising power and an authority which it had never enjoyed before. People got their metaphors mixed up and mistook the inner for the outer and the outer for the inner. Not only was it declared a mortal sin for witches to "fly" through the sky with the Pagan Goddess Diana (in the external sense of flying), it was also a heresy – punishable by torture and death – not to believe that witches really flew!

The dream had become real. People became hysterical. The book received an Official Letter of Approbation from the Faculty of Theology at the University of Köln in 1487, and was immediately followed by a series of excommunications, including that of the great Florentine humanist Pico della Mirandola, the first Christian philosopher to profess the universality of all religions. The Vatican appointed a notorious Spanish sadist, Tomás de Torquemada, to the post of Grand Inquisitor.

The Malleus Maleficarum became the official textbook of the campaign, and was a best-seller for the next two hundred years. It was republished in thirteen editions up to 1520, followed by sixteen more between 1574 and 1669.

[...]

Mystics, midwives, medicine-women, herbalists, healers, moon-worshipers, virgins, and simple-minded girls – along with the occasional troublesome mistress and mother-in-law – were rounded up by the thousands, and brought to the Inquisitor in chains. But it didn't stop there. Children, too, were killed. At Würtzburg the child victims included boys of ten and eleven, two twelve-year old choirboys, "a boy of twelve years old in one of the lower forms of the school, the two young sons of the Prince's cook, the eldest fourteen, the younger twelve years old, and several pages and seminarists." An unknown number of girls were also condemned, including "a child of nine years old and her little sister." Our little best-seller includes a list of titillating techniques with which to reveal the true allegiance of these women and children by forced "confession" under torture, prior to being burned alive at the stake.

It should be emphasised that the extraordinary cruelty which the Church used in this crusade against women must rank amongst the most bloodthirsty spectacles in all recorded history, outstripping even the Nazi holocaust in its exhibition of brutality. At least the Nazis felt enough shame that they concealed their atrocities from public scrutiny behind the barbed wire fences of remote concentration camps. This Christian holocaust however, was carried out in public, across the town squares of Europe, before the eyes and ears of the assembled citizens who were exhorted to attend. Having first stripped, starved, beaten, tortured and no doubt sexually molested their prey for days on end, our holy fathers then staged the sort of Kafkaesque trials in which the guilt of the accused is a foregone conclusion. The recent ancestors of present-day Americans and Europeans then burned alive an estimated six hundred thousand to two million women between 1350 and 1750. [...] The Church, of course, did not restrict this practice to Europe, but inflicted its terror also upon the Indigenous Peoples in the colonies, especially in the Americans and Africa. One has to ask who really was "possessed by the Devil?" The fact that this ethnic cleansing of the Old Religion has all been conveniently forgotten only goes to show how much we are still suffering from its psychological consequences. The Church has, as far as I know, has never really admitted its mistake, apologised, or restituted the lands, buildings, and other properties that were confiscated to the families of the victims.

From a psychological viewpoint, it is important to bear in mind that this mass brutality was carried out by human beings so unaware of their own motives that they could hypocritically justify this final solution as a pure and holy act, performed in the service of God, with the complete sanction of a religion whose official mottoes were to "Love thy neighbour" and "Do as you would be done by!" Such insane violence is a classical example of what can happen all too easily when a culture which has lost touch with its psychological roots suddenly experiences a flurry of visionary states. People take the visions literally, panic, and all Hell breaks loose.

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OUCH!!! The colors you use make it impossible to read your post! You might try saying it in "English", too.

SeptemberMorn: OUCH!!! The colors you use make it impossible to read your post!

I see a dark blue font against a white background -- what color do you see that makes it so painfully difficult for you to read the post?

You might try saying it in "English", too.

The last time I checked, that was English, but I agree it's not a "pretty story". No doubt some will like it and others will despise it. Those who like it might enjoy reading more on the Jungian concept of the shadow. Naturally, there is no obligation to click on the link unless you are interested enough in the subject and choose to do so.

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I see bold blue against a dark green background.

Well, that's odd. I don't know why you would see that. I've not made any attempt to edit the background color and don't even see that listed as an option.

Perhaps some techie here can share their insights.

[Note: I've converted that post to HTML rather than BB Code. As far as I can tell, this removes the "box" that the quote is placed in and hopefully, will eliminate the green background that you (and perhaps others) may see.]

I also see the green background. I think it does it on some quotes or something but I do agree it is painful on the eyes

I have a question? Is Shaman PA Dutch Dutch Pow Wow???
My grandfather did Pow Wow and I am thinking Shaman is a master. I know Pow Wow is healing, but I think, if I am not mistaken, it too can cross the line of questionable practices....
Just curious?

Much better!

When you use the [ quote] code, it shows up on a green background. If you don't use a color code inside the quotes it's much easier to read.

Samantha, sometimes people just "hate" anything different from the norm. It could be "double ingnorance." They don't know and they don't want to know.

way to go lilith!!!!!

i don't want to offend anyone, but i'm not particularly "religeous". i have read up a little on wiccan, my daughter practices wiccan, i believe in something, i believe in angels, and paganism wa around before anything else. i feel happy that i can be spiritual and "pray" in my own way without having to go to church.

i went to a festival in surrey 2 years ago. it celebrates paganism , wiccan and other such religions.

there was a so called "christian" outside with a board preaching his beliefs nad shouting at everyone who entered our festival.
My friends 12 year old girl came with us, and this preacher actually called her a word beginning with w meaning prostitute. to her face. I'm sorry, but how can he call himself a christian and if that's how they act in their religion then they can keep it. the people i know who are into paganism and wiccanand buddhism and druidismare the nicest, kindest and most thoughtful people i have ever known. they don't preach to others and just get on with worshipping all things natural and earthly, going back to good old remedies and living from the earth, sunetc. people are blinded by their own bigotry and ignorance sometimes and it makes me so angry.

you do what you want to do, if people have a problem sith that, more fool them for not knowing you as a person.

love,

jinnyann xxxx

hmmm...being an Atheist in a public high school in the star-studded buckle of the bible belt (Texas), I can really get where you're coming from...just because I dress a bit out of the mainstream, it somehow becomes apparent that I worship Satan (whom I don't even believe in), that I am sinful by nature, addicted to heroin, the w-word listed above, and the next Columbine child...they fail to notice that my GPA is 26th in a class of 1200...hmmm...anyway...bottom line is that it is unfair and should not be especially because wiccans, pagans, atheists and universalists are possibly the most tolerant groups around...and the most cliche advice is probably the best here--don't care what other people think about your beliefs and just be yourself

Ok that makes since. WHy did a fight break out on here for one questoins?

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WHy did a fight break out on here for one questoins?

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((((((( HUGS ))))))) - Hang in there....... it will get better.

IMO - it just hard for one religion to accept that of another religion.... a little bit due to human nature & some due to the heart wanting to see everyone be received into heaven after their life has ceased (if you believe in a religion that has a heaven and a h*ll).

I personally accept you and your religion, for it is not, nor was it ever given into me to judge...... I am here as a child of God - to share, to love, to accept, to forgive, to pray, and to help those less fortunate than I am.

~ ~ ~ ~ God (our higher spirit) will do the rest ~ ~ ~ ~


LoVe,
Rhapsody -

Are any of you familiar with this song?

http://www.turoks.net/Cabana/TheChri...dThePagans.htm

We don't have to agree on everything in order to find common ground and acceptance. I believe that true Christians are capable of loving those who have different beliefs. I also believe that there is much that we can learn from each other.

Rap