God, Archtypes, and Jungian Psychology

(((1oxbowgirl))) i may have failed to express my appreciation... thank you...

i am only human, imperfect, and a sinner.. i will, from time to time make mistakes, and i must learn to forgive myself...

imo, God does not wish to see suffering.. it happens because of men... men make war, men make doctrine, men decieve, men are power thirsty...

Men deceitfully lead others into false belief... Men are guilty of cruelty.. not God...

God sustains, supports, encourages, sheds love and light...

suffering is due to mans' selfish activity of using other men for material gain... this is why we are cautioned to avoid materialism and not to become attached to worldly possessions..

Some men would have us believe differently... know the serpant when he comes to you... know his faces...

do not allow yourself to be decieved, God is Love.. no more than this...

God would not support war, criminality, child abuse, or a deeper insanity for mankind...

God Heals...

God is not a member of any political party, God does not own a newspaper, God does no financing or banking...

God is pure simple truth... God loves the children... God supports the health of mankind...

thank God for God...

Nowheretorun

That was a great post, and I suspect people of ALL faiths and culture would agree with your statement.

(((KathyM))) its good to see you in this thread again (((smiles))) i could be a lot more controversial, but....

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Thanks Coral... Blessings to you... i'll settle for a good day...

Darrell.....excellent words, thankyou for sharing....

I wish more people would listen.....

Jinny xx

since i was a little boy, my mom took me to a Christian chruch, i felt compelled to stand up and accept Jesus... i have a few times since then as well, and i've been Baptized...

the troubled thoughts of who i am have lived with me... was i ever good enough to get into Christian Heaven?

ive questioned and questioned and always came up short... never good enough..

only when i wa able to free myself from those Christian requirements did i know peace...

i wonder why they put those thoughts in my head? why was i led down a road of self-questioning, self-hatred?

i think i may know the answers better now, sad my life was so wasted...

i hope others are spared this misfortune...

(((((((((Jinny)))))))) it is so much better now... thank you dear friend

my husband is methodist.......I was never christened....doesnt mean I'm not a christian though.....

I will believe in God the way I want and I wont be preached to by those who are so riteous......and I wont hurt others along my path either....if you want to delete this do it....some people are allowed to spout more than others here imho.....

signing off....

Jin xx

God did not forsake me... God forsakes no one... Jinny, all my love to you... please dont turn from God because of those poor examples... God is very real and at work in our lives each moment, each day... imo ..

I will never turn from God...but you can see why some people do....

only MY OPINION

Jin xx

sure, i can see clearly why some do... it is too bad too... but God for me is so prevalent, so pervasive, so present, i couldnt deny Its' existence... despite the mis-guided...

it may have something to do with my geneology... my family line is steeped in Catholicism and teaching... German Catholic...

and i am proud...

as settlers in America in 1850, after hardships during the time of Catherine the Great, after 100 years in service to Catherine and educating the Russion people of Volga, my family was given reprieve and an opportunity to come to America, to settle in what is now Central Kansas..

my Great Grandfather and others built a Catholic Church as sanctuary for themselves, the natives, for all... shelter from tornadoes and violent plains storms...

food, service, teaching was open to all...

the church still stands to this day, despite several internal fires, the structure and steeple is un-marred...

it is the largest church in a radius of 300 some odd miles...

yes, i am proud...

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I will believe in God the way I want and I wont be preached to by those who are so riteous.....
Jin xx

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I feel the same but usually say self righteous and hypocritical since they usually go hand in hand in my experience.

My wifes sister and my kids cousins are Jewish

my half brother is atheist

my wifes father mother and grandparents are Catholic

my wife and kids...non denominated christian..my wife does not like the standard though and does not attend church but believes in Jesus

my mother...to complex to understand now

I love them all and don't want to see any go to hell..

"I am me" and struggle with my own since of being,and this is the reason these type threads attract me.

I have learnd allot and want to thank you nowheretorun
for being so open minded and aware of people like me who need support and posting this thread... instead of just another bible put down my throat...abandonment by christans is just another common form of abandonment that I have learnd to accept as normal ......though there are always those few exceptions to this last statment I have learnd here in this thread from a few.

Do you believe there are people born who God never wanted around him? My parents were both athiests. I've been baptized, (at the age of 48), and attend church, but I feel like a phony. I believe there IS a God, that's obviouse in my opinion, but I don't feel that he loves me. Matter of fact, I'm pretty scared of him!

I went to the alter before and was reborn(I thought) but never baptized..but would be if I fit the mold around here.."but don't"

so I felt like a phony like you said...it is easy for me to say and do as they expect...and easy to make them think I am just like them...they would never have knew I have "my own mind".....but I just could not force myself to do it anymore

"I am me"

I am afraid of the God people talk about around me as well "I think"...kinda Jonathan Edwards style

but the God talked about in this thread is appealing to me

Yeah, they say that once you're reborn you should feel new, and for a little while I did, but then it was back to depression, and wondering. I always feel like I'm on the outside looking in. I want to be like them, and have total faith, and if I was really reborn, I should have it, what is wrong with me?

their is a parable about sowing seeds that I think adresses this,but I'd have to read it to see what it says again,maybe you can post this question in the "questions welcome" thread,
and get a better responce to your concerns

its nice to meet you Whoever... thanks for joining the discussion... i wanted to reply to you yesterday but was unable since i was at work and have so many interruptions...

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Do you believe there are people born who God never wanted around him? My parents were both athiests.

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i dont believe Spirit disconnects from people, but people do try to disconnect from It.... even when they try, God is still at work for them and holding the door open whenever they come calling...

God understands we need to find our way.. so along the journey each individual takes, even if they believe it is absent of God, God has left that option open for them and at any time they may walk into the Kingdom of grace and love...

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I believe there IS a God, that's obviouse in my opinion, but I don't feel that he loves me. Matter of fact, I'm pretty scared of him!

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in the beginning of my personal journey, the image of Spirit in my mind was vague and i thought i should fear and respect God also.. ive since reduced that thought to respect and dropped the fear...

as ive come to know God personally, i recognize the strength lent to me, so God is all powerful and awesome.. God can work miracles.. but, the God i envision is not cruel or vengeful on persons whom truly seek to know about it/him/her...

God waited for me to accept, understand... God does not harm those in search of love... God will open the door and one who seeks will find the love larger and more powerful than any possible in the mind of humans..

one may seek other aspects of God, perhaps the warrior face of God, or the laughing, humorous God, or any number of aspects of God, and as an individual seeks out those aspects, God will reveal a Spirit as awesome in power as the seeker is able to imagine...

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Yeah, they say that once you're reborn you should feel new, and for a little while I did, but then it was back to depression, and wondering. I always feel like I'm on the outside looking in. I want to be like them, and have total faith, and if I was really reborn, I should have it, what is wrong with me?

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there is nothing wrong with you whoever... it takes a while imo to shape and find your way to God Spirit... you're on a journey... you cant taste the fruit til its grown...

i will quote the Bible very little in this thread myself, although it is informative and answers many questions and without it, i may have never come to my current place of understanding, but, personally, ive chosen to create my own personal relationship with God and have used several sources to fill out my belief system..

as Coral suggested, if you would like more tradtional Christian advice, perhaps the "Questions" thread will better help...

if you havent taken time to read this (very long) thread, you'll find references to some of your statements regarding Jungs' experience with traditional Christianity.. he (and myself) were unable to feel the spiritual fulfillment needed in traditional settings... which i why i began this journey...

Blessings All ...

Coralproper it is nice to read your posts....I was terrified of posting here at one time, not coming from a religious ackground whatsoever...but I have always felt this warmth, my parents never believed in God....I do, but in my way. I am going to church today, we only go on Christmas eve.....I dont feel the need to go to church to pray how I do.......I believe God will be listening wherever I am....I dont know the bible very well...I know more of other ways and practices....but I believe everyone has the right to chose how to worship and I respect other religions and would welcome anyone into my house...that to me is more important than how someone prays, how many quotes from the bible they know and how many times one goes to church....but this is my opinion only...sorry I'm rambling...just nice to know so many people on this thread are so open minded and fair....I am learning so much, so much more than being preached at.....thankyou

Jinny xx

I'm going to be brave here and state that I also never felt like I fit in. The excitement and thrill that some speak of or boast of never came to me, and in that sense I felt left-out and lacking in someway that I did not understand. And that led me to do my own reading and studying of the Bible, and taking everything to God, in prayer. It was in that way I came to understand that my thoughts were more on mark than those that brag and shout, and belittle others, and also do not set a good example when out of church. Like they leave God, on the steps of the church and only pick Him up on Sunday's. That is one reason I think many get led astray, in thinking they are not good enough to fit in with the likes of them. But, in truth if you have done what I did, then more than likely you are ahead of the pack in your belief in God. However, in doing this do you have one true God in your faith or a mix of many? I once met a Hundu Priest that told me "You Americans are begining to spent more time looking inside yourself's for God. He is not there, He is in the heavens above us. When one looks inside himself for God, ego causes us to begin to believe we are God. Stop trying to believe in false God's and believe in the one true God." (Jungian is the God within)
I was amazed at this response from a man in his position. He was raised strictly in the Hundu faith, but in doing his own studying he found his one true God. The God of the Holy Bible, our Lord and Savior.

In my studies I read the biography of Sigmund Freud. One thing of interest Sigmund, based his determinations on the Bible, and Carl Jung based his on self. In the back of this book it talked about all of the men in this profession repeatedly warning Carl Jung, of taking to many risks and the dangers associated with that. And that was why I did more and more research as I wanted to know all of those dangers and more about Carl Jung. What I found out scared me, for it made me fully understand the struggle we face between good &amp; evil on a daily basis.

i totally appreciate all you're saying 1oxbow ... and your honesty is apparant.. thats essential to me... not only my own, but its best to grow in a sincere atmosphere...

i thank you for raising the issue of "Self-God" .. we may have read some of the same sources re: Jung/Frued ...

i have to clarify... i do in NO WAY believe that I, mySelf, am God or a Messiah, or any Godhead whatever...

im a seeker.... period ... to think of myself as more is insanity imo ... EDIT IN: i DO believe in the Doctrine of Humility...

I do believe in the One God ... everything i know or understand about Spirituality is by the Archetypes presented in Sacred Texts... i believe in the God of the Universe...

the God of Science, The God of Magic, The God of Love, The God of Creation... an energy...

i imagine a positive charge that spreads throughout the expanse of everything... present and remaining whereabouts it goes...

i am still investigating how much JUngian Theory applies to me, there are considerable likenesses, but, bound to be differences... different influences matter ... different world, different time...

ive examined Zen... a certain riddle/parable refers to the Beauty of the Universe.. when i first read it years ago, i only percieved the "Beauty and Universe" perspective...

recently, i replayed the parable in my mind and found new meaning...

who other has created Beauty? for me, the answer is God Spirit, God, the Nameless One...

i believe many parts of the Bible... many, many parts... but like mothers have stated, too much high pressure is too much...

i dont want to get into some thoughts i have relative to a movement which claims Superiority... wasnt that Hitler?
no offense intended, honest question?

(((((1oxbowgirl)))))

Depression and low self-esteem make it hard to feel loved by anyone. How can you feel loved if you can't love yourself? I have also struggled with feeling unsure that God could really care about me. But He is there, standing at the door, knocking, waiting for us to let Him in.

There are times when the clouds part and it is easier to feel in tune. Depression tends to try to bring the clouds back though. And it takes time to chase them away for longer at a time. It does get better, if you work towards healing and develop more spiritual strength too. Faith also requires regular exercise to maintain.

I have heard people being told to pray to the holy ghost if they don't understand the bible,before they read it. I guess I comprehended them saying that the ghost will make them understand and get this from scriptures in the bible.
I am not discounting this as it may work for some,but " I think " it has left many feeling unworthy of the holy ghost when it did not work for them who may just have had different reception levels.

However, this is a great site "imo" that explains understanding bible scriptures that may work for some who are unable to. I have never actually had the holy ghost come over me that I am aware of though but feel comfortable saying I can understand enough with my carnal mind to comprehend. I may go to hell for this self confidence though. I may should try a different way but have not felt the need yet.

www.mormonsite.org/bibleessay.htm

Here is another link to info an about Carl Jung, as he had connections with Hitler. Some writings say he was a top advisor to Hilter.
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/cjung,htm

((((nowheretorun))))