God, Archtypes, and Jungian Psychology

you guys are really cool keeping the thread going and interesting and i need to say thanks again

wow... where do i start? Coral, i'm really glad you're staying involved... ive only seen people sing in tongues in documentaries.. it was a show about churches in the Southern U.S. ..

to my understanding, mandalas are always round, the circle... in Nazca, the monkeys tail is a mandala... not the monkey... but then again, the tail and body form use the same geometric principles...

an intersting and probably confusing thing for people to understand at first is that mandalas contain elements of physical and spiritual properties.. as Jung had described the human personality, a collection of thoughts and feelings ... and ... their paired opposites combined, create the complete personality...

so in every mandala, there are all good things, its paired opposite and collectively, it is a whole...

back to the monkey.. from my point of view, only the tail is a mandala.. the rest is a monkey body...

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Probably a dumb question, but if the earth is the circle/sphere then these maybe could be the images for it
as well as pyramids and other large spiritual structures

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many of the Earths ancient sacred sites are on a hemispherical cirle.. id need to check, but the line of sites circles the Earth approx 27 degrees angle above the present equator and is argued by some to represent a previous equator line at a time in Earths history before a physical "tilt" occured.... (this theory would explain a lot if true) ... nonetheless.. the Ancient Line of Sacred Sites is very real and line up in just this way... and Nazca, The Great Pyramids, Stonehenge, and several others are on the Lines' connecting points..

Chocolate, you're very fortunate to have visited Israel and the Pueblans... i would call that part of the Grand Design..

i should have presented the warning more gently? yes, you chose the exact one in question... i didnt intend to take you to the dark place by asking...

may i comment on the emotional/spiritual tone i recieve as i read your words?

i hear the words of someone very in touch with her spiritual center... i feel your confident security when talking of your safe zone, your protections, your direction...

i hear a willing servitude to the Greater that you envision...

i sense a becoming and fulfilling ... i imagine you as a physical person, in a place in the circle... i imagine the effectiveness of your prayers...

sorry if that was too personal...

for myself, i have similar protections... i continually re-focus, re-question my own self... carefully directing, and asking for direction to the place my heart wishes to be... steering away from dead ends... opting away from time wasting...

at this point, the thinking and soul searching have largely subsided... i now understand a feeling and when it is present, i know my mind/heart/soul are in the place ive so long waited to find... safe in the arms of One who made me... i dont need to intellectualise myself to that place much anymore... its like a room in my mind and i can just go and be there... an inner sanctuary...

i think for me, "i feel" God inside me because that is the natural way for my physical body to function... i cannot "feel" what is outside me, only imagine it...

i believe that Spirit talks to each of us as individuals .. i believe we each have different "jobs" or "roles" to fulfill... for you, the mystery leads you to crop circles.. it sounds like crop circles are for you what mandalas are for me?

in that case, research, study, dream, fantasize, open and let the information come into you... a willingness and a readiness are all thats required and Creator knows your soul better than any...

whew! ... need a short break....

I would like to add about my comment concerning dangers in looking inward (inside ourselves) for God. Some good strong Christians have been led away, by church activities that use mixed religions without the people being aware of what was going on. When repetative chanting, prayer and loud repetative music is used, at a certain point do to the way our brain functions work, it is possible for people to be hypnotized. Once that happens without the knowledge of the person involved, they are then open to dangerous spirits. If the church or group is of strong faith in God, generally speaking the person will suffer no harm. However, there are many churches and groups out there that one can unknowingly visit and have their minds opened to evil.
As I said before I did considerable research on Jungian, as I was doing a lesson on discernment.
This is one of the sites i did research on and maybe you will find some of the answers to your questions there. I will attempt to find the other websites that provided the best information on this subject and the details on which I speak. http://www.innerexplorations.com
I do not wish to offend anyone by my opinions.
My other comment about essense is the spirit of God, combined with the Holy Spirit and my conscience which is the tool by which I am guided in knowing right from wrong and good from evil. The word "essense", was the best way I could think of to describe the relationship. Thank you, Chocolatelover, for thinking on it and figuring it out. Each persons relationship with God, is different &amp; unique &amp; personal to them. I like the way you describe yours.

i support your caution 1oxbowgirl ...

I guess my biggest problem is that my relationship with god started out as resentment since as a child there were times I wished I was never born and started to challenge the way he treated me, and how he treated other children so much better,even though I did not do anything before I wished I was never born to get the treatment I got..I did not even know how to read let alone understand salvation and the bible...all I knew were someone else's warped views
and real life disfunction

But slowly I started to go toward him in a positive way as a adult, still hard for me, even after I have become blessed beyond believe..but I am trying

but the fact is I believe I have always tried to be a good person despite my past even when I resented god

we hear you Coral.. for me, my faith has filled the gaps in my life, answered the questions deep within, calmed and settled a troubled soul....

i can think of no greater reasons to seek Spirit than to find healing... i believe if you look, you will find, for yourself, what is right and what fits..

looking back, for all the pain, this quest is rewarding, it is rich, it is valuable.... to myself, if none other...

i know those around me have benefitted greatly.... ive witnessed a lift in all my relationships since first feeling this much contentment...

i know feel more the "power" of my own presentation... if i smile first, 8 out of 10 times, i get a smile back... thats one big change in my life...

keep searching Coral, keep asking... the answers come... it always amazed me.. the saying "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." has happened to me in real life again and again....

Spirit is mysterious as it is beautiful.....

Wow NW... don't know what to say. I like the woman you described, just not sure I know her as me in the flesh though I do know her by spirit. Thank you for sharing your impressions. I feel honoured to be in the company of you and the friends you have gathered here.

I wonder too about my call to sacred places. I've been to stonehenge and others as well. Some I am kept from going too near. Kept at a distance or brought instead to places nearby for a gathering or a ceremony. Always with people who live outside the boxes of their traditional religious and spiritual practises. All people who were well grounding in their indigenous roots and traditions. Perhaps we were gathering on crop cirlce places instead. I haven't done much research about crop circles. They just seem a natural extension to the teachings of the medicine wheel so perhaps its a natural progression for me to explore them. I do have friends in the Cree territories where circles have been found. One never knows.

Thank you 1oxbowgirl for adding to your comments. You provided a different context for me to better understand your cautions. I think I was looking only from an individual perspective and thinking about what how one is protected for being drawn into those things that are not of God. I see now what your were referring and I'm respectful of the seriousness of the point you are making. It is a slipper slope one steps onto when they open themselves up to all that is out there.

I think there is a niave part of me that pretends there is no evil in the world. I know there is a dark side and I know there are evil forces at work in the world. I know it intellectually yet some how I find myself never seeing the treat. I'm not at all suggesting this is wise of me nor do I really live as though I trusted that... yet when I'm surrounded by spirits compatable with love I have no sense of evil and I forget that it is even possible.

Does that make sense to anyone? I know it impacts my thinging as it did here yet it fits in my one does to guard herself against the deceptions and trappings of bad spirits. and And it does take real discernment to know what one is dealing with when they entertain things that spin too far from the centre.

Oh...being cut off... work calls.....just as well I stop myself.

come on back when its convenient chocolate... hope everythings ok..

in the meantime im posting this link re: the hemispherical line of ancient sacred sites that Coral had asked about... ( i was way off about the 27 degrees)

http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/

and http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/others.html

I actually did not know that it was something that was already researched.....I just saw your link to the earth as a mandala and started to picture drawings that could be on it...but never realized that they actually alined in anyway.........

now that will keep me reading for a while thanks for posting the links

Oh Goodness! I really sound like a wack at the end of my last posting. eeks! Sorry for that. Didn't get to edit my last bit of ramblings.. it doesn't even make sense to me anymore....geesh too late getting back to edit...

I'm fine NW. Thank you for asking. Sorry if I was sounding a bit frantic. Someone I was waiting for had arrived and I had to shut down my computer with no time to edit what I'd written. Thus my incoherent ending. Really sorry. I'm really not as wacked as I sound sometimes. lol

Will catch up again after I take a look at your links. Come back with some intellegent contribution. lol. Redeem myself.

1oxbowgirl... can you tell us more about your lesson on discernment. The research you have done sounds very interesting. I'd like to hear more about what you've learned. If you don't mind sharing.

I scanned the link you posted and will go back to look more. Some rather bazaar things going on in the world. Some look rather spooky without even knowing what they are all about.

When you speak of discernment are you referring to something like that? Where we can pick up on the energy around them and know whether it is a good, bad or nutral energy or spirit? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. I really appreciate the knowledge you bring to this thread.

I'm glad we can all dialogue this way without any one feeling offended. I appreciate that we seem to have found a common basis for mutal respect and trust. It feels good.

Eddie...

i accidentally (?) ran across this info a few years back... not sure there are a lot of people aware of it... struck me as very interesting and i wondered why my world history classes seemed to skip right over this information when on the topic of world explorations..

or why Columbus is still credited with "discovering" America?

to me, this is all very interesting and for me, these questions have risen from the exploration of Jungian psychology and mandalas in this thread

not exactly sure how all this info fits together... maybe we will come to newer understandings... but i'd like everyones help staying on topic please... i am known to ramble as well...

as chocolate said, i am fond of the group which has formed here and i am likewise inspired..

Blessings All...

First off I should mention that the link I provided above is mainly a Jungian site. However, if you follow the link in the center box, it will take you to a page that gives opposing views. It requires alot of reading to fully understand the danger in "wanting" more knowledge by feelings and experiences, drather than just Bible study and faith. I found a few other links that will give you some information on this subject. So here they are:

http://www.spiritual-research-network.com
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/index.html

In regards to the research I did for discernment, it came about when the church I was attending was using newer Christian studybooks on prayer and healing that were a combination of all different types of religions. As we studied these books I became more aware of the dangers and damage this was doing to Christianity as a whole. The sad part of this is that most people are unaware of this and since our own leaders in churches are promoting the material it has been accepted as the norm. Church go'ers follow blindly at times there pastors and forget it is God they are suppose to be following.
My lesson on discernment exposed these practices to our group, however, I left the entire matter in God's hands at the end of the lesson, as most there had been indoctrined to the point of almost no return. I will gladly share what I learned in doing my research on this matter and then I will leave it to you to decide what is your truth.

thank you 1oxbowgirl... my hope is that this information will be presented in an unbiased and informative way... as many have probably guessed, i have issue with any religion that purports itself to be the one and only... that also is dangerous imo...

nowheretorun, I have tried to provide links that are fair and balanced in both directions. The research I did was very extentive and I had over 2000 articles downloaded into my computer and on disks. I had pages upon pages of links. These are only a few of the many. It is only to give you information not to sway anyone, one way or the other, or to cause conflicts between us.

thank you 1oxbow.. i have faith that God Spirit will guide...

i cant help being reminded of the Spanish Father who closed doors to me with "Any belief other than Christ and the Bible are "the Devil"

i am reminded of my personal questions... why the narrow mindedness.. if they have faith in God, allow God to work and guide in the loving way they claim...

why use fear as a method to bond and close the human mind.. did God make a mistake in granting us free will and imagination?

what is the big fear? loss of followers? Christianity, imo, is a social network, established on the theory of "strength in numbers" ... and the Bible is manipulated to retain and restrict some people from imagining anything else..

does the Bible not speak of and warn about the wolf in sheep clothing?

is there not a theory relative to "one world religion" as a destructive event?

when thinking of the "my way or the highway" mentality of Christianity, these thoughts cross my mind...

Don't forget to consider that you may have had experiences with rejection and exclusion, but not everyone has found Christians to be that way, and it is actually individual people who call themselves Christians who act that way. It is contrary to Christian teachings and beliefs to exclude people, deny them needed help, or to use fear to control people. There are narrow-minded people in all walks of life, who can't conceive of any other ways than their own, and always have to be right.

i agree Rapunzel.. i had wanted to come back and edit the post to state SOME Christians, but i was busy here at work and you have provided that excepton to my above statement with your own posting... agreed, not ALL Christians set this (imo) poor example...

Is this a full circle moment or what! Interesting time to take a look back at the entirety of our discussion.

This thread started out validating a quest for spiritual understanding of 'the way to God'. Foregive me for my over simplification. It was never a challenge to Christian teachings per say since all who have come here share a common faith in the same God and in the love of Jesus. The discussion for me began as a challenge to the exclusivity of religious doctine and its impact on one's personal journey to knowing God and living in accordance to his laws, principals, guidence, truth.

We freely shared how the question of 'one way to God' impacts our faith and explored with each other how ideas of inclusion of similar, though not the same thoughts have brought us to a place of our own understandings of God and Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the spirit within. Our conscience, our spiritual essense that connects us with God and by which we commune with God.

We explored inclusion until it took us to the edge of where good and evil are standing right next to each other. Where the line between them starts to fade a little.

We came to appreciate the danger of spirit influences that can deceive and take people places they aren't prepared or advised to go. Places not of God. Though again we see difference we find agreement among us that the word of God is the source of truth and goodness and light. Emersed in God's word we are led to greater understandings while being protected from energies that can cause harm to our faith and our spiritual journey. Emersed in God's word we are given the gift of descernment to know the source of our worship, the source of our understanding. Emersed in the word of God we are kept grounded in our faith. Journey too far away from the word of God requires us to consciously refer back to the source. Back to the word of God.

Now we have come full circle again whereby our individual interpretations of staying close to the source, emersed in God's word, have spun us into the areas of our individual interests and perhaps even needs for inclusion. We are connected again to the search for a balance between spiritual faith and religious doctine in ways that don't block or bind but open and liberate.

What has the circle shown us? I can only speak for me but the circle has shown me again the importance of balance. When one goes to extremes whether in thought or in deed one risks loosing balance. And for the circle to continue balance must be maintained.

What, where is the balance in this exploration for me? To heed the reminders that not all energies in our world are working for good. I'm reminded that sacred writings, foremost the Bible, and the teachings are used to align me to the same truth that has become my turth. The truth of God. As a follower of Christ and his teachings I hold sacred the stories of earthly journeys and the messages given to me. Know me and you know the way. Follow me and you will sit with me and know your true essense. Know your true spirit. Know the way of your life that is through me, through my example of living in peace amid evil in all its forms and temptations.

How do I take this full circle moment and move forward in my journey to greater spiritual awareness? For me the balance remains in that place of tolerance and respect for all other's who find themselves on similar journeys. Who cloked in the word of God, emersed in the love of God dwell together in the places of God. At times the path to follow is narrow so that I am not led astray from the kingdom of God. At other times the path is broad that I might explore the diversity of the kingdom. My rock, my centre remains firmly in the presense of God as my source, my beginning and my end.

While I seek greater awareness and understanding of the kingdom of God I rest in the witness of Jesus and the word of God. Words in sacred books that are in agreement with the Bible that I meditate upon and transcent through to reach my higher power. I again realign my acceptance and tolerance of the Church and all of its imperfections that I might not loose the ties that do bind us together in faith. I get that some in the Church need the way to always be narrow. I happen to be one who likes the broad path. To be right or wrong is not as important to me as to be on the right side. The right side of God, sitting at the right side, the side of royalty, next to the God of love, truth and devine fellowship.

Full circle.... tolerance for diversity. Appreciation of positive and negative energies. Acceptance of one true, living God. Amazement of how one God can reach the hearts and minds of all people, from within all cultural influences, from all life circumstances and still be revealed as the one true God that people see, feel, hear and touch from their own private place of searching. No matter where they come from, where they have been, the pathway of their life's journey, God has them in his hands. Has us all in his hands together in the faith that comes from knowing him.

Full circle balancing faith and expressions of faith that keep my heart and mind open in a spirit of wisdom, truth and goodness.

I know I went off-topic but thought it timely to share that observation. Pray none are offended and all is balanced. That the cirlce may always be unbroken.

Walk in beauty..... walk in peace.

that is a brilliant assessment of the conversation Chocolate... thank you.. may you walk with God Spirit always...

Rapunzel, i would have no issue visiting your church and congregation.. you have exampled your faith gracefully imo...

as always ..I am overcome with joy when reading your
words of wisdom chocolatelover

"despite" my own flawed mind that has much less joy than you convey when reading/understanding bible scriptures

thanks again

I am not sure if we have a limit on the number of links we might add, but I think the following link is a better article on hypnotism. It was written by Michael Maher, in the Psychology dept. at the University of Notre Dame, in the Jacques Maritian Center. There are times and places in mental health where the use of hypnotism is a needed and useful tool. However, just like any such tool in the wrong hands it can cause much grief.
http://maritain.nd.edu/jmc/etext/psych028.htm

thank you again 1oxbow... i agree, hypnotism in the wrong hands is very damaging...

i researched key words "one world religion danger" on the net... i hope there is still room for more links.. i prefer those reading to be allowed to decide for themselves...

http://www.reachingcatholics.org/pope.html

I don't usually do this but since I've been engaging in this discussion for several days now I thought I should let you know that I'll be off-line for a few days. I'm heading off to do some visiting with family and may not have access to the internet till I get back. I'm a bit nervous about going but pushing myself just the same. We are currently getting a big dump of snow and heading into the mountain passes anyways. eeks.

Didn't want to cause any one to wonder about me if I'm gone a few days. It does feel nice to think my absence will be noticed. Cool.

Catch up when I get back or if I do hook up I'll stop by to chime in.

Take good care.........

we will miss you chocolate, please be safe...

"Have a Merry Christmas"