God, Archtypes, and Jungian Psychology

Pink Brocade Petunia...

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nowheretorun said:
Pink Brocade Petunia...



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sorry, Now petunia makes happiness, just could not help saying that in the middle of this threadLOLOLOLOLOL

(((muffy)))

ty ((nowheretorun)))))

wow... thank you so much NW..... I really needed to hear someone else's words talking with just passion about the power of their faith. I felt your every word as though they were my own because they align with my heart, my spirit, my soul.

You affirmed to me on this day, when my head is a bit more spiny than perhaps it was a day or two ago.... that what I've been sharing about my faith isn't so dillusional as it is life giving and life saving and in agreement with others who experience the same peace.

I feel as you do and appreciate knowing I'm not lost in my own space. It's not always easy to know. Going to leave it there for today. I am in a tender place right now emotionally and am resting in my faith today to bring me through this momentary instability.

Take good care.... am still here, just a little further back of the crowd for a while.

Been a blessing sharing with you. Look forward to more in the times to come.

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I think metaphysical aspects just "grow". I can't see how they can be hurt? Believing one is a god/Christ/whatever is a medical problem not part of one's true metaphysical self, for example. And that's the only sort of thing I can think of that you might mean by something metaphysical needing to "heal"?

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i dont see it as thinking one is a god or christ or anything of that nature...

i see myself as on a Spirit Quest... available to all people?

to each at their own pace chocolate... the feeling is mutual... (((chocolatelover)))

Cool way to think of Spirit Quest.

Thanks for all the pics. The circle is in everything. I do a fair bit of work and study with the Medicine Wheel. It is how I frame most things about life and creation and from which I draw energy and maintain balance and wholeness in everything I do.

I spent some times years back with the Pueblo people and witnessed the sandpainting ceremonies. It was an amazing experience.

So where do you think crop cirlces fit in to the picture? How do they form? Any thoughts on their spiritual significance to us now?

Sorry.... lot more questions in my head these days than thoughts of my own.

nowheretorun

nowheretorun & chocolatelover

I know I probably already said this but I admire what you 2 do with words
I actually think that I may have some cause for change in myself from this meeting of you two.

I think I have learned that questioning every detail that I already know is open to many comprehension's is not the way to peace and God for "me"..but finding answers within myself and surroundings "perhaps" is.

I have never meditated or even considered it..but I am going to research it and learn more..I need something to channel my energy

Kind Regards
Eddie

im grateful for yout involvement Coral... with internet access you'll be able to find plenty of resources... also, stay tuned to this thread... hopefully there is more to find still..

Chocolate.. your words are taken with respect and gratitude

ive heard of, but havent attended a native american sand painting ceremony..

a group of monks in the Buddhist tradition travels the world to perform the ritual for distant peoples..

i know little factual information about crop circles... i think its interesting they contain the familiar geo-centric patterns as mandalas... ive heard the geometry used in measuring the crop circles exact dimensions is also referred to as a "sacred geometry" ...

more info: http://near-death.com/geometry.html

similar patterns are found in the Nazca Lines at Machu Pichu... its mystery also remains unsolved...

see: http://www.geomancy.org/sacred-space...ica/index.html

we have the tara centre right nearby...may go and visit...beautiful grounds...buddhust centre.....lovely peole....may stay a while.....nothing but peace and working in the beautiful grounds.....then off to maccu piccu one of my dreams jin x

How cool is that Coral.... some peace you found in our free-flowing expressions of faith. At may well be that we were given such poetry of word just to minister to you at these very moments in time to awaken your own spirit to new understandings within. I'm happy to hear some of your fear having subsided.

Next.... full emersion baptism with the gifts of tongues manisfesting itself the moment you come out of the water!! What a sight that would be for you.... Hope you don't mind my making some humour with this one. Just recalling your hesitation around baptism. Your concerns about being ready or worthy. It may be a religious ritual with all kinds of interpretations of its significance but it is also an amazing personal experience all on its own.

Let me tell you my experience now that I opened up the subject here.... I was baptised in water in the River Jordon in Israel just days after my 33th birthday that hit Easter Sunday that year. I went to the sunrise service (5am) at the Garden Tomb, the place where Christian's believe Jesus was placed and from where he rose 3 days later. There I was with a bunch of friends I'd been traveling with in the Garden Tomb on my 33rd birthday. I'd been a Christian for 3 years. I'd thought about the fact that I became a Christian at the age Jesus was when he started his journey and here I was now the same age as he was when he went to the cross. Here I was 33 in the Garden Tomb remember him when he was 33 and in this very same place. According to the stories passed down at least. Of course I'm not trying to 'humanize Jesus' or anything. lol.

All eyes were on me as the first ray of sun shone on my face alone for a few fleating seconds. I had no idea until my friends told me what had happened. I wondered why everyone was looking at me the way that they did. It was pretty surreal.

A couple of days later I was being baptised in the River Jordan and I did in fact come out of the water babbling away in this crazy new language, weeping with so much joy, jumping around with so much passion and excitement... I thought I was going to rise up and fly I was so off the charts. As I spoke in the language pouring from my lips and wept will wails of emotion, others began to interpret and others began to cry and soon we were all singing and dancing and praising God with every breath. It was some life altering experience that I will never ever forget.

Thanks NW... I'll check out your links and get back with comments. Its an interesting subject.... the circles of life and spirit.

I know of some tribal leaders from the Prairies where crop circles have been found have gone into the circles and reported feeling a lot of spiritual energy and discerning sounds and movement. They've had pipe ceremonies in the circles and did some dancing. I wonder if anyone every had a medicine wheel ceremony in one.... wow.... can't imagine what might happen then! I'll have to ask an Elder about that one. Probably get wacked for asking but I'm used to that. lol. So are they! lol.

Are you saying that a group of Buddist monks were performing the sandpainting cermony? Are they still alive? Can't imagine the spirit world making that easy for them. Usually the ceremony like many native ceremonies are very closely guarded so this surpises me.

I'm going to track down a you tube video that talks about crop circles and spiritual symbols. I'll post it here when I find it.

Me too Jinny.... maccu piccu. I almost made it there a few years back but it didn't happen so i'm still imagining it for some day yet to come round.

What a blessing to be so near a buddhist centre and gardens. I hope you enjoy a peaceful and enlightening visit.

Check this out.... a series of video clips about crop circles, sacred geometry....

You Tube Videos - Crop Circles

I'm really facinated by crop circles. Anything to do with circles drawns me in.

The theory the guy in the clips presents about the water was kind of spooky so part of me says 'woooh'.

As I listen to him talk about the 'energy' that is read or captured in the spaces.... I hear myself say, 'yes... that's spirit... those are spirits.' That's what being spirit is like in my mind... my spirit in me... my force of energy.....my link to the source of our source....the highest energy, God.

(I guess that's fits with what you mentioned about meta-physics. Not so familiar with that term.)

Anyways.... even the impression of how the energy/spirits sound..... so soft as to be inadable to the human ear. Those were the sounds recorded from inside the crop circles. Pretty awesome.

I enjoyed watching the clips, thought others might too.

Here's a clip of a recent circle in Canada

From the article you posted NW........

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... Bashar...in the 1990's... in response to a participant's query, he stated that crop circles are symbolic communication, preparing us for further contact with other beings and other civilizations. Although there has been speculation that these other beings are of extraterrestrial origin, Bashar suggested that many of them are earth inhabitants, but are extradimensional beings within other dimensions or higher octaves of our dimension. He also suggests that crop circles and crop formations (not necessarily just the circles) are produced through the collective consciousness of these beings and many humans engaged, in certain states of consciousness, in awakening ourselves on a cellular level to higher dimensions of awareness through this symbolic communication.

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Now that's a mouthful but it rings true with me. It fits with what I rambled on about here somewhere...... transcending into spirit form while occupying my physical form.... without hallucinating of course. lol.

My challenge is having the discipline it takes to get to that place of consciousness. There are secret ceremonies in my culture where this kind of transforming takes place but I'm not nearly there with the kind of commitment or discipline or even physical strength to undertake such a journey.

I suppose instead I imagine for myself a modified version of the experience that meets me where I'm at each day when I sit to commune with God focused on my centre and emersed in the energy of spirit. Able to hear and see the new steps in my journey. Able to feel and appreciate the steps my journey has already taken. Able to trust and believe my journey has purpose and value. Able to be quiet and at peace in the comfort of knowing..... I matter. I am loved. I can make a difference with that love that is in me, of me and all around me....

I shall retire my rambling thought on that rather high and uplifting note. Cool! Been a see-saw day that now feels settled. Very Cool! I think I can sleep now.

Catch you again when the sun comes up.

just wanted you to know ive read this but wont have time to respond til later today... trance and channeling comes to mind...

i always need to stay mindful of 1oxbowgirls' statement whenever i enter these mindframes... it was good of her to bring it up... thankfully i had read it several years past...

does your culture have similar cautions? to be careful and mindful of the entities in those other realms? ive found that by staying mindful of my purpose, and focused on the essence of my deepest desire (to know the Loving God), builds a protective shield ... though i have encountered distractive spirits and images and phenomona, i have survived relatively mentally intact.. even successful in my quest... but, it is wise to beware of the cautions..

didnt have time for much this morning and this seemed to be the most important thing to remind myself of at this point...

about 10 mins before i have to take off...

for me, the circle, the mandala, takes on a 'magical' energy... its ritual involves higher conciousness and spiritual connection.. it doesnt have to be that way for all, and as Jung suggested, this path is not chosen for everyone, in fact, relatively few... he postulates that individuals do not choose this path of their own desire, but that it is 'chosen' for them...

true in my case.. i would have preferred a peaceful, unquestioning life...

still, i am thankful for this life ive been given...

Not sure if this is the same

But are Nazca lines similar to a mandala or do they have to be circles

Probably a dumb question, but if the earth is the circle/sphere then these maybe could be the images for it
as well as pyramids and other large spiritual structures

also I saw something about a island with similar images
but they where human built very very high mounds I think almost miles large..of fish,turtles and other stuff all only visible from the sky...wish I could find that info on them again

hi... not sure of what statement of 1oxboxgirl's you are referring to so can't comment on that but..

yes.... plenty of warnings about 'bad' spirits. In my native culture there is an awareness that both good and bad spirits are all around us. There are many things that go on that I don't even want to know about. People drawn in by the bad spirits and doing some stuff I won't go near.

There are also ceremonies performed and medicines carried for protection from bad spirits. With or without the traditional ceremonies or my sacred medicine pouch I have Jesus and the Holy Spirit for the greatest of protection.

Everyday I ask for and receive spiritual discernment to know when I am in the presence or being bothered by bad spirits. I am protected in the name of Jesus from the workings of 'bad' spirits around me. I send them away with one word.... Jesus. I send them away with the smoke from the sacred medicines, I send them away with the drum and the dance. I send them away with my love for Creator and my pledge to live for Creator's good. I am protected by my ancestors who in spirit battle those spirits who seek to do harm.

I put on the armour of God everyday and centre myself in love; I walk in peace and beauty where no evil wants to be.
Evil can not hurt me. I'm mindful and respective of negative energies and bad spirits and thier works and I do not mess with stuff I'm not called to do or been properly prepared to withstand. I'm also mindful of all the good spirits and their power over all that is evil. I align myself with what is good and honourable and trust God, the angels and the spirits of my ancestors to keep me safe.

I'm very sensitive to all energies around me and am very reactive to those sensations. I must feel the peace and it must fit with all that I know and believe in my heart. Otherwise I am quick to denounce the negative energy, naming it and casting it our from my presence. Protection and peace are always a name away... Jesus. That for me is what it means to be born again. Born into peace and kept safe by the blood that was shed in my name. I don't take it lightly but I don't walk in fear either.... discernment yes, faith yes, fear no.

I know I'm not called to be a warrior in the spirit world or to enter places where these battles rage. I'm called to be a helper, a peacemaker and a messager of love, hope and promise and that is pretty much where I keep myself.

Yet, within me remains a desire to know more spiritually. To be more of spirit than of my physical self. How that will transpire I have no sense of it. I do have the promise always that I am heard and I can hear the wisdom, love and leadership of God as the centre of my life.

Sorry if this topic caused any discomfort within any one. It is not my intention to draw us into talk of bad spirits. I don't really want to go there either. Like I said, I don't see myself as one called to such spiritual warfare but when I am in the presense of bad spirits I am not alone and I am armed and protect to defeat anything seeking to disturb my peace.

I will look for the statement you referred to.

Would this be the quote from 1oxboxgirl you are referring to....
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There in lies the danger. I don't think we are suppose to look inside our selves for God. The God, I worship is outside myself high in the heavens above me. I only hold the essence of Him & the Holy Spirit within me. The use of repetitive prayer and meditation can open us up to the spirits of Satan, who has the ability to imatate God, thus fooling us into believeing what we are feeling and seeing, being healed of and perhapes saying is coming from God, when it is not.

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I remember reading this and having a bit of a problem with it but didn't raise it at the time because I do respect what she has to say and that it reflects her truth and for the most part my truth too.

I'll comment now with respect..... outside/inside, where is God. I had to think about that for a long while because I do feel as though its my heart where my spirit lives and from my heart that I know God so I'm not sure I understand the inside/outside question. I settled with giving liberty to the use of the word 'essense' to describe the God in me that connects my spirit to his love.

While I can appreciate and believe that the spirits of evil/satan are tricksters and can delude believers... I've witnessed people being led into deception.... I also appreciate and believe that the spirits of good/God are greater and protection is but a word away. Whenever I feel the presence of evil I am called to pray in the flesh and in the spirit to clean out the bad spirits.

I'm not disagreeing with 1oxboxgirl. I don't underestimate the power of evil to hurt the people of God, to try to separate people from God, to disceive and confuse the world. I also know that Jesus already defeated the 'enemy' and while I may be 'bothered' by bad spirits I don't underestimating or doubting ever the power of my God and my faith in the power of goodness, in spirit and in deed to turn out the enemy at every turn.

chocolatelover

I loved what you described happened at you baptism.
I would love to have a experience like that one day,since I have never been baptized.

My hesitation was mainly at becoming denominated with the baptists,the main groups around me,since most don't believe in speaking in tongues now of days,maybe this is only if their is no one present to interpret.I don't think they believe anyone can now,but may be wrong.
Where as the Pentecostle who also get baptized believe even when no one is there to interpret one can speak in tongues,this is where I get scared at saying they are not really speaking in tongues like most baptists around me believe, if it could be blasphemy of the holy ghost to say this.
I have seen them fall out in tongue, amazing to me,and I believe they are overcome by the holy ghost,interpreter or not.

I know plenty of 'spirit filled' Baptists, Catholics, Mennonites... which is where I was drawn to practise my faith. My sister was a real dancing in the ailes out there kind of Christian where as I was much more reserved and conservative. She didn't bring me to her church when I told her of my encounter with God and acceptance of Jesus. She rejoiced of course but she knew that her church would blow me away. She took me to a small spirit filled mennonite group who were grounded for generation in the conservative mennonite beliefs. They'd separated from the mainline church because of their beliefs in the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the manifestations of speaking in tongues. They were the gentlest, sweetest most loving people I've ever met. There were also several other native people in the group and it gave me comfort to learn from them how the coming of Jesus fit with our prophecy within our own cultural teachings. I grew from that place. I'd feared being a Christian would mean I had to turn my back on my culture. I learned there that I didn't. I saw in other beleivers the new life that came with Jesus to all people from all cultures and backgrounds. It gave me the freedom to put my cultural understandings and my new spiritual awakening into a context that fit for me.

I know that not all churches interpret pentecost the same way. I was blessed to spend a year living in Israel among very strong Zionist Christians. I've participated in the Biblical Feasts as set out in the scriptures and it gave me a different perspective again on prophecy, setting the stage and the fullfillment of prophecy as a role of the believers. A perspective that again fit with my own culture and my growing spiritual and religious understandings.

I seem to always be drawn to the 'indigenous' truths passed down through all cultures. When one gets to the core of the beliefs and examines the source of the beliefs one discovers the same God. The God of love and mercy, kindness and peace. How one grows from that place of communion may vary with another but its the heart of people that the truth is revealed.

I don't fuss too much about what one person believes so much as I search for the common thread that binds us to one Almighty, All knowing, All powerful God above us and around us and with a love so powerful that it lives within us.

I'd say if you are drawn to experience a greater infilling of the holy spirit then pray to God and ask for it to be so. It may manifest in the speaking tongues and then again it may not. It will manifest in the way that will best minister to you where you are at and it will grow your faith that you might know the peace of resting in God's love in all circumstances. Thus is my faith though it may not be how others see it. I respect our differences as much as I value our common ground.

Take care....

You have been exposed to allot, very impressing.

take care, as well