Questions welcome

Just how many are you calling "so many?" From historical accounting, there were 18 supposed witches burned; still an unfortunate display.

18 in my opinion is "SO MANY" 2 is a couple 3 is a few 4 is several, more is "SO MANY" "to me"

Not to mention the long history of " SO MANY" from others following his example, all the way to Salem,and no telling how many by vigilantes,with no records, in my opinion

I am however trying to find info to defend him positively that can be substantiated,but it has been kinda hard so far, I just have a long list of links about all the torture and his Act that condoned the killing of them,or his paranoia of them.
Very little positive but I am gonna keep researching,maybe you have some you'd like to share,I am not just trying to make him look bad,I am receptive to positive also about this,I may buy Holmes's book who suggests King James regret of this if I can not find anything else,since I'd like to see the extent of his regret, or if he even regrets his inital killing or just how out of control it got with others

Is Purgatory and Spirit Prison basically the same thing? Where is either term found in the Bible, if at all, or are they terms invented by men... such as "The Rapture"?

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the fact they all agreed to kill sorceres/witches is a blatent contradiction to thou shalt not kill

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Coral

I agree. Throughout history, regardless of the human justification, the Commandment still stands. Whenever a human being decides to kill another human being, it is a human will - not God's will.

There are many more not dealing with sorcerers or witches as well,not sure if that first link about contradictions points to them though

Me thinks there is also confusion about what is "faith" and what some want as proof.

I would like those who think "I'M" right and only those who agree with "ME" would rephrase this and reframe their thinking on this matter thusly: God's Word says, and I and others agree with it.

I certainly have not created any belief of my own, nor believe anything of my own doing. Please don't make me out to be the bad guy here if you happen to disagree with the way I believe. Your argument is not with me, but with God on these matters. I have merely chosen to believe like millions of others. Don't kill the messenger please.

With reference to what Presbyterians, most protestants, and most Baptists believe is this:

The book of Romans clearly spells out the path for salvation. There are many, many other verses in the NT that verify them also. Plus, in the OT, even the sacrificial lamb for the atonement of sin made them prove they believed that God would send the sacrificial Lamb of God for salvation.

<font color="purple">[b]Romans 10 : 9-13 That if you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and will believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart man believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

For the Scripture says, Whosoever believes on Him will not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all tha call upon him. For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that Whoever believes on Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

1 John 1 :9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Matthew 18:3 And (Jesus) said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shoall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 11) For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

<font color="black"> With regards to the parables Christ said in <font color="purple">Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables; because they, SEEING SEE NOT, and HEARING they HEAR NOT, neither do they understand.<font color="black">

Most Protestant faiths believe the above but some also add on "works' of some type to prove their salvation, or to finish earning it. (Such as Church of Christ.)

But what is important here is that someone who truly has NOT accepted Christ's payment for sin cannot understand anything else UNTIL they do. At this point, the only discussion should be Who do you think is Christ, and what do you think He did for you? Some might think they are making deep arguments, when indeed what some questions show that even the simplest of things of the faith of God are causing them to stumble.

It's unfortunate that so many who are lost in their sin only have fear in their hearts that lash out at those who have asked God for forgiveness. God offers HIS LOVE and SALVATION to ALL, and yet so many get angry about it. I know from personal experience it is because it wasn't easy to admit that I can't on my own do good, nor get to heaven, but need God and needed to do it HIS way. God is love. He wants all to accept His love, pure and simple.

Another thought: Many people find it impossible to believe that are being deceived by what they think is right, and what they feel is correct about God and salvation. If more people would truly sit down and read the Bible... even one book such as John, they would begin to realize that what they think they know and what they believe isn't really what God says in His Word.

If you get hung up over translations, there are plenty of Greek-English Bibles that give you the exact wording as it was and what English word was used for that Greek word.
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So now, let me ask of those reading, this question: WHO do YOU believe Christ is?

If we are to be baptised "for the remission of sins," then where does that leave Jesus' sacrifice on the cross?

Why was Jesus baptised by John? Jesus had no sin.

I was taught that to be baptised by immersion is following Christ's example and an outward action/testimony of having accepted Jesus Christ's atonement and therefore leaving the old, sinful self/life behind (burying it) and being raised to "a newness of life," ie "being born again" to a new life in Christ. (Gives me chills just thinking about it!)

I was baptised as a baby in the Presbyterian church, but I was later baptised by immersion as an adult.

Sky

How would you like me to rephrase " MY OPINION" to suit your request ?????
I will make the concessions for your request.

I deal with people who believe as you do on a daily basis here in the south (Bible Belt), so am not debating many agree with you," at all " ( that is the only truth)

Only trying to stand for us that don't,with my own thoughts,I already know what most belive that agree with you to the
( T ) not trying to make you the bad guy,but since most of the time you don't say "in your opinion" and state as fact in my opinion...maybe I will stand corrected though after I reread all this

I also respect that, I am not trying to say I have the only truth,on the contrary I am on a long search of my own for what I agree to be.

septembermom, I belive I know what most believe about this but will let one that is a firm believer answer

not sure who that was directed at

Sky and Rapunzel are very knowledgeable about their faiths and know as well I am sure

Please reread my point, as it didn't disagree that you hold that opinion, but your frame of reference and perspective, that being you are placing me as the person demanding what I believe as true, when indeed I am but a humble believer in what GOD demands and says is true. Don't make me out to be your bad guy. I wouldn't blame you for what you believe if it is different than God's Word, I would blame the deceiver.

I think that is directed at the Mormon faith? However, this is a very good example of where the Greek can explain quite easily: the English word "for" in the Greek means "because of" here.. so believers are urged to be baptised because of the remission of their sins (through accepting Christ.)

That was a little cryptic for me Sky, but I think I get your point Sky,I don't think you are the bad guy at all and feel that is a misconception/comprehension of what I write

But to spare us any more discussion on this trivial(In my opinion) point

I am truely sorry you feel that way,and makeing you out to be a bad guy is "not my agenda",heck I was worried people would think me stating facts about King James,would be me makeing him out to be the bad guy "lol" sorry again

Kind Regards
Eddie

oh btw, I don't have anything against "my God"(or your God)(or our God) at this point in my life as you seemed to imply (in my opinion)

I love how "GOD" has blessed me

kind regards again
Eddie

I'm not sure the point of your post Jinnyann...but if you are secure in your belief, why are you bothering with what I or others here post as our beliefs? My personal beliefs have nothing to do with what another believes, nor does it change it unless the person desires to change it.

I think the idea goes for everyone: if you have sincere inquisitions, go for it, but if you truly aren't looking to understand, or aren't looking to change how you believe, why bother anyone with it?

I think, though, Jinnyann you posted somewhere about how you are both christian and pagan, and my question for you is this: what are YOUR definitions of those two generally-believed-to-be-opposite beliefs?

In my "opinion" what you have said to her is a double edged sword,you should ask yourself that first question"in my opinion" instead of worrying what she or others say.

You made it very clear many times how secure you feel,is the only truth. "in my opinion"

Ok we're kewl.

BTW I have my own issues with the King James Version, however, overall it remains true to God's Word. However, it was this issue I have that caused me to begin to study the Greeks and Hebrew languages, enough to know when to look something up and not necessarily lean "unto my own understanding."

But what I have discovered is taking any 3 translations in different languages, gives a richly fuller understanding of God's Word! Sometimes the word the Spanish language has for something (such as what we don't have an "as good" English word for) adds so much! However, this brings to mind another thought (I'm a philosopher at heart remember, thinking is what I DO) that those who do not have a good handle on even one (their native) language, will have trouble understanding in the first place, don't you think?

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In my "opinion" what you have said to her is a double edged sword,you should ask yourself that first question"in my opinion" instead of worrying what she or others say.

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To whom about what????

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I'm not sure the point of your post Jinnyann...but if you are secure in your belief, why are you bothering with what I or others here post as our beliefs?

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I feel she was just stating how "she" felt/believed/comprehended, about what she read ,why would you care enough to make that post

OIC well, that she cared enough to post it means it means something to her? She did post to me, and with a comment to what I stated. Since the issue is, again, thinking only I am right and no one else is, I thought she might be able to share how she goes about believing both oppositional standpoints? Wouldn't that be acceptable in this thread?

guess you could ask a mod? usually isnt it up to thread originator re: sub-conversations? idk... just watching this ..

ask whomever you like,but please don't get the thread locked over something so silly,since you are secure in your beliefs anyway,so from what I understand about them

maybe you should just turn the other cheek if you took it personal...even though it was not a physical thing

just all my opinion

Sky asked:
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So now, let me ask of those reading, this question: WHO do YOU believe Christ is?

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I remember most of this from my profession of faith in the Presbyterian church. I have edited and added a few things from that day so long ago. It is what I've come to believe through MY OWN experience and MY OWN Faith in God Almighty, His son Jesus Christ, and the leading of the Holy Spirit in MY OWN LIFE. That is not to say that I am not open to further knowledge or further revelations from the Holy Spirit.

I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
I believe in the Holy Spirit;
And in Jesus Christ, Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary;
God's only begotten Son, our Lord. I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God who came to suffer under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried in payment for my sins and the redemption of my spirit;
The third day he rose again from the dead and broke the chains of death;
He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
From where he shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.

Amen!

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I have many,many more questions to many denominations but will try to pace them, and give others a chance to ask or reply or give any input.

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Coral, I do believe that Sky is simply sharing with us from her own knowledge. You have also said that you consider Sky to be very knowledgable. Why are you giving her a hard time??

Oh, and BTW, sometimes Sky annoys me with all her "IMOs." Just a case of perspectives, I guess. Silly me!

Let's all of us just chill and allow this thread to keep going. If we keep our personal emotions out of it, it just might work!

point taken....you are right

thanks

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Jinny