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Mar 25, 2008, 12:37 PM
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#52
Mar 25, 2008, 12:45 PM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
SeptemberMorn said: I can't look at nature without thinking of God, the Creator of it all. I can't hold one of my grandkids without thinking of their Original Creator. </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> Aw, SeptemberMorn. This was the original intent of the question (so far Greenleaves hasn't corrected me). It would have been nice if you could have come out and said so. I'm sorry it had to be squeezed it out of you. I'm sorry you're feeling squeezed out of here. 
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#53
Mar 26, 2008, 07:33 PM
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DocJohn said: Speaking of a deity in general, since its an integral part of most spiritual beliefs, is fine, and if it's convenient to refer to this spiritual being as God, that's fine by me. I don't think the concept of God is specific to any one religion, so it is fine to talk about this here. DocJohn </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> Good point doc, not to mention the fact that the word God was used long before any scrolls were made.........I think even far back as greek mythology sorry about all my edits but I am a horrible speller |
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#54
Mar 26, 2008, 07:36 PM
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I think the word God was even used pluraly ...... by Native Americans and the Greeks for their many Gods
or at least some word, we call God, for its meaning of a deity/deitys |
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Mar 27, 2008, 10:02 AM
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the train whistle echoing in the mountains.... like nothing ive ever heard before... sounds like a million ghosts wailing at one time and it echoes back and forth between the peaks in such a way... resonates the soul...
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#56
Mar 27, 2008, 09:57 PM
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DocJohn said: Yes, you can ask for prayers or good thoughts to be sent your way to a loved one or someone else you know...... </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> I wondered on the prayer issue, but for some of us without being able to say Jesus ..You know, I will ask in Jesus' name, it leaves us feeling like we are being asked to pray to a rug or something. I am glad you cleared this up 
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#57
Mar 27, 2008, 09:59 PM
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Me, many ...more than you may know
</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> SeptemberMorn said: </font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> Rapunzel said: I've been trying to be good, but now I can't help but ask, how many people are leaving something out or not replying because what makes you feel spiritual is not allowed here? No need to elaborate or discuss. I'll be the first to put my name on the list. I may be taking a break for a while because I'm struggling with what is missing here. Apparently that is becoming obvious though. </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> </font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> SeptemberMorn said: Me </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> </font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> Danialla said: </font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> SeptemberMorn said: Me </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> That made me smile. I am very happy for you and glad you posted again. Peace everyone and take care.... </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> Not sure if you understood what I was responding to, Dani.  See the highlighted text in the first quote. I really don't have anything left that I can contribute here in this forum. To me, God in my daily life and my spirituality are one in the same. I can't look at nature without thinking of God, the Creator of it all. I can't hold one of my grandkids without thinking of their Original Creator.I don't feel free to say anymore. There is so much more I need to say but can't. Please take care of YOU. </div></font></blockquote><font class="post">
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Mar 27, 2008, 10:01 PM
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Why would it be necessary to post your prayers to all of us. Would it be a problem for you to acknowledge you'll pray, then pray silently to God? Is a written or spoken prayer more powerful than a silent prayer that comes from the heart?
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#59
Mar 27, 2008, 10:05 PM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> KathyM said: Why would it be necessary to post your prayers to all of us. Would it be a problem for you to acknowledge you'll pray, then pray silently to God? Is a written or spoken prayer more powerful than a silent prayer that comes from the heart? </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> Are you saying silent prayers are of MORE value? For me, sincerity is the key.
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#60
Mar 27, 2008, 10:21 PM
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No, I'm saying it's of more value to the community here. It shows respect for this mixed crowd of people, young and old. IMO, sincere prayers hold the same power. It doesn't matter if they are screamed from the mountaintop or whispered from the heart.
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#61
Mar 27, 2008, 10:29 PM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
KathyM said: No, I'm saying it's of more value to the community here. It shows respect for this mixed crowd of people, young and old. IMO, sincere prayers hold the same power. It doesn't matter if they are screamed from the mountaintop or whispered from the heart. </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> But a mixed crowd includes all. If I asked for prayers and some said they prayed and others said it in detail and another shouted it on a mountain near by....and yet another said a prayer to their rug...and a wicca person cast some spells...that would be fine....but that is not how it IS now..................the wicca can cast and the vague can be vague but the rest of the crowd gets shut out
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#62
Mar 27, 2008, 10:43 PM
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i like to share you all, i like Christian and Muslim and Hindu and Wiccan and all good spirited people... just my two...
PC is about sharing to.. i like to share good spirit with good people.... it isnt true that only Christians are restricted... i may not post a quote from the Koran if i choose to... I cant post a quote form the Bible should i wish to... I cant qoute from the Tibetan Book of the Dead.... I can discuss God or Allah or The Great Moon or the Heavenly Pumpkin if i want to.... in my own words... we all can.... as it relates to our inner understanding and sharing that is very helpful imo.... thank you Thank You God |
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#63
Mar 27, 2008, 10:52 PM
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You and I agree on some things. You will not see any post of mine in almost 2 years of posting where I have been less than respectful of any other religion or even lack of...However we differ on this
You said "I can discuss God or Allah or The Great Moon or the Heavenly Pumpkin if i want to.... in my own words..." I agree you and others can use these names however we (christians) to my understanding of what has been posted by Dr John...we cannot use the name of Je___ If I misunderstood that Dr John can you please clarify it?? As I (and many others see it) we are being singled out. </font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> nowheretorun said: i like to share you all, i like Christian and Muslim and Hindu and Wiccan and all good spirited people... just my two... PC is about sharing to.. i like to share good spirit with good people.... it isnt true that only Christians are restricted... i may not post a quote from the Koran if i choose to... I cant post a quote form the Bible should i wish to... I cant qoute from the Tibetan Book of the Dead.... I can discuss God or Allah or The Great Moon or the Heavenly Pumpkin if i want to.... in my own words... we all can.... as it relates to our inner understanding and sharing that is very helpful imo.... thank you Thank You God </div></font></blockquote><font class="post">
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#64
Mar 27, 2008, 11:00 PM
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for some i understand that Jesus and God are the same spirit
i personally would find no offense... i welcome believers... and this isnt about just me.... Bless you for working with this PasDeDeux |
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#65
Mar 27, 2008, 11:20 PM
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If someone came to this forum in pain asking for prayers, I don't think anyone would try to cast spells or wish harm on them.
 It wouldn't be sincere or supportive. I'm referring to sincere acknowledgement and silent prayers. If I ask for prayers for relief of my pain, would you only pray to have me destroyed or punished? I would hope not.
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Mar 27, 2008, 11:24 PM
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since it is true that we reap what we sow............. dark magic fails... IMHO
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#67
Mar 27, 2008, 11:45 PM
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KATHY READ my post I never said they would cast bad spells....Wiccans do cast good and healing spells too ....My point which I think Nowhere got is that we ALL should be able to express ...not just some... Kathy do you think all Wiccan are bad? I don't, I do not agree with them but oddly most of my IRL friends are Wicca and agnostics
</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> KathyM said: If someone came to this forum in pain asking for prayers, I don't think anyone would try to cast spells or wish harm on them. It wouldn't be sincere or supportive. I'm referring to sincere acknowledgement and silent prayers. If I ask for prayers for relief of my pain, would you only pray to have me destroyed or punished? I would hope not. </div></font></blockquote><font class="post">
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#68
Mar 28, 2008, 12:16 AM
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There is no rule here against praying to God or mentioning God in our posts here. God isn't a religion. Do you think Jesus would be offended if you called him God instead of Jesus? Do you think God would be offended if you referred to Jesus as God?
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#69
Mar 28, 2008, 12:54 AM
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Kathy I think I said what I had to say and now it all falls into if you choose to HEAR what people...not just ME but fellow posters are saying and NOT saying (posting) on here. For a person who has posted a lot on discrimination I would hope you can be as open minded to ALL posters
Peace out sistar
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#70
Mar 28, 2008, 01:42 AM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
KathyM said: There is no rule here against praying to God or mentioning God in our posts here. God isn't a religion. Do you think Jesus would be offended if you called him God instead of Jesus? Do you think God would be offended if you referred to Jesus as God? </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> It's not God/Jesus that would be offended since they are One in the same. It's humans who don't believe in Him that are offended at the mere mention of Him.
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Mar 28, 2008, 02:32 AM
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Mar 28, 2008, 02:46 AM
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I'm not offended by Jesus. :-)
I'm fine with people saying God makes them feel spiritual. I'm probably not even a true atheist Maybe I say I am just to be special. I think the concept of God is cool. It's very comforting.
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#73
Mar 28, 2008, 05:04 AM
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Hi folks...
The legitimate question was asked about whether people could talk about Jesus here. Well, Jesus is a part of a specific religious belief system, but not others, so no, not as such. God is allowed, as explained previously, because the idea of a central deity is a key of most mainstream spirituality today. Not all, but most. So now that that question has been answered, please move back to the original topic of "What makes you feel spiritual?" here, or start your own thread for a further discussion of new spiritual issues. Thank you, DocJohn
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#74
Mar 28, 2008, 10:12 AM
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Griffe: I very much loved to go out in the middle of the night, when it's really cold, and just watch the snow fall from the night sky. It's quiet, peaceful, and amazing. I love that too Griffe. A few months ago I posted this poem about Snow
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#75
Mar 28, 2008, 10:50 AM
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How many ways are there to be a good person? An infinite number of paths,,I would imagine. I fall off mine quite often...
But in raising my children, I have learned many lessens about patience, tolerance and acceptance. They, like me, have each searched for their path and if I had directed them to mine,,they may have missed theirs...All I had the right to be was an example,,for good and bad on which theme(s) might best serve them in this life... It is the same for me when I watch those who have found their key to heaven. I believe there are as many keys as there are keyholders. It hurts me somewhere deep inside when someone tells me that their key is the only key for I have found my key unlocks the door too... But I am relieved and in awe of one who holds their key to their heart and walks with the quiet assurance of their souls immortality which breeds Faith, Joy and Love to all those about them. It is always the arrogance that turns me away for I have learned somewhere along the way that the greatest teachers offer no answers but teach us to ask the right questions...It is curiosity that brings us closer to the Truth,,not satisfaction. But my ego is not even attached to this perspective as I know with no doubt, that if I keep asking, looking and listening,,,I will see it differently again and the key which I held to open "the" door only opened my way into a new place with new doors... IMHO. Lenny
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