[newtus]

so does anyone know if anything has been changed under 'schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders' section of the dsm. i mean i know i heard they were changing things like autism and stuff. i think i heard schizoaffective might have been taken out. but i also think i heard that the subtypes of schiz is no longer. its just...like flat out schizophrenia. true?

[faerie_moon_x]

I don't know. Why would they remove it? That's dumb. I mean, there is obvious a difference between schizoaffective and bipolar with psychotic features (in that oen requires moods and one doesn't.) Maybe they could just clarify things but it is dumb to remove all together.

And to take out the sub-catagories of schizophrenia would also be dumb..... blah....

[newtus]

whats the difference between SzA and B w/ P features?

[fishsandwich]

Last I heard, they're not getting rid of the sub-types of sz, they're making them into "dimensions" of sz and redefining them somewhat.

Eighteen moths ago, a pdoc told me that there isn't going to be a "catatonic" subtype anymore—which is the kind I was told I had to begin with. But knowing the political processes of DSM-writing, I wouldn't be surprised if their plans have changed eleventy times since then.

[faerie_moon_x]

according to my understanding....

Schizophrenia is you have psychosis but no mood disorders

Schizoaffective is taht you short of have a combo of schizophrenia with a mood disorder (either depressive or bipolar type.) But they work seperately of each other in that you have psychosis regardless of mood and mood regardless of psychosis.

Bipolar with psychotic features is you have bipolar but when depressed or manic you have psychosis at the same time. When the mood goes away, so does the psychosis.

I don't have a full diagnosis because I quit going before everything got fully figured out. So, I have bipolar NOS (not one or two) with ultradian cycling and possible psychotic features tagged on the end (as not a dx, becuse that wasn't fully figured out yet.)

So, I always wonder about me because I had that big psychotic episode that lasted around five years without relief but no treatment. So, I have always hoped to go back and get answers eventually. I don't think moods last for five years....

[newtus]

i heard depression is common in schizophrenia though. i dont think someone with schizophrenia would have no mood disorders. but probably psychosis much more often than the other. the depression in schizophrenia seems to come from the circumstances surrounding how their life is. of course its different with each individual.

i have schizophrenia right now. i get either schizoaffective or schizophrenia depending on the doctor. although i wouldnt personally say i have a mood disorder. i can get down sometimes.

[faerie_moon_x]

Yeah, I don't know what determines why schizophrenia but also depression vs. schizoaffective depression type. Bipolar, though, is a whole other animal because of the mania, mixed moods, etc. So having bipolar and schizophrenia, I can see why they would come up with schizoaffective. I know I have bipolar for sure because I do have the swings, although I have dysphoric mania instead of classical euphoric mania....

I say we just all go make an island somewhere and be the mystical shamen like we're supposed to be. I'm getting tired of not being able to afford treatment, so that I can fit into societies little box, because my "bipolar effects my job/relationships." Well, maybe my job and relationships effect my bipolar? Did they ever think of that? Hmmm? Probably not. If I was the mythical shamen, then it would be the main qualification of having a job....

Now I'm rambling. Sorry.

[newtus]

Originally Posted by dark_heart_x

Yeah, I don't know what determines why schizophrenia but also depression vs. schizoaffective depression type. Bipolar, though, is a whole other animal because of the mania, mixed moods, etc. So having bipolar and schizophrenia, I can see why they would come up with schizoaffective. I know I have bipolar for sure because I do have the swings, although I have dysphoric mania instead of classical euphoric mania....

I say we just all go make an island somewhere and be the mystical shamen like we're supposed to be. I'm getting tired of not being able to afford treatment, so that I can fit into societies little box, because my "bipolar effects my job/relationships." Well, maybe my job and relationships effect my bipolar? Did they ever think of that? Hmmm? Probably not. If I was the mythical shamen, then it would be the main qualification of having a job....

Now I'm rambling. Sorry.

quite alright. i just wish i could go out an conquer the world. though not possible for me. ive also given up again.

[Victoria'smom]

An article that may help.

[newtus]

ah doesnt work :/

[Victoria'smom]

see if this works.

[newtus]

Originally Posted by Miguel'smom

see if this works.

very interesting thank you

[faerie_moon_x]

That's a lot of reading for me, but I was glad to see they are not taking schizoaffective away but actually trying to clarify why it's different and what it is exactly. That's good.

[newtus]

with their clarification i would prob only be getting schizophrenia now. i dont have depression majority of my illness

see i hate analyzing the details of my illness. but i hate to know cause ssdi

[avlady]

Same here if you see me go off my meds knock me out and put me in a coma ive been on them since 1985 fought the docs nd nurses thinking i didn't want this stuff in my blood but learned to accept i was very sick without them, hopefully no more seizures and episodes and it's been about 3 years now

[hanners]

Originally Posted by newtus

i think i heard schizoaffective might have been taken out.

phew, I'm glad that's not true. SzA sounds like the perfect fit for me, and I'd hate to see my mood symptoms ignored, since they're just as big an issue for me as the psychosis.