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@ cracking slowly - oh! 200 women in one room! I would not be comfortable at all. I hope the information will turn out to be interesting so the day goes by quickly.

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@ sometimes - I don't know if you are still upset over it, but just fyi you can eat huge cookies when you are diabetic. You just need to then account for it with insulin. I am sorry you're feeling short tempered. I hate it when I know I'm acting that and its not my true feelings.

I did step two today and I am not feeling confident about it at all. I try not to want things so I don't get disappointed, but I want this. Now I will have to wait. I'm just gonna assume its all ruined now. I'm glad I asked for the whole morning off so I can sit and sulk for awhile.
A good thing - yesterday on our walk one of my dogs startled out a deer. His eyes got so big I thought they might fall right out of his head!
She's not on insulin she's a newly diagnosed type II and was actually in between confirmatory tests and said she was not going to have anything until after the Second test which involved fasting. But yes I feel terrible she is my best friend and there was zero reason for me to be mad at her...it's her body after all.

Sorry your step two wasn't as good as you hoped...I still have my fingers crossed for you
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Okay I might be posting on here a lot today so I'm going to apologize up front. I'm having some serious anxiety being here in this training today. I had to move from the huge room with over 200 women into a smaller room. I felt sick just walking through those women. I feel like they can look at me & see that I'm unwell. I know that sounds silly but today I just feel uncomfortable in my own skin. I keep telling myself to relax & not worry but I can't seem to shake the anxiety. I feel like my face is looking weird so I just keep looking down @ my cell phone. Hoping that if I look busy then no one will bother me. I've already seen a few women from my job here. I said hello to one of them & did my best to produce a smile for the other few. I scan the room and see 3 others across the room that also work with me. I hope they don't see me. After all I dyed my hair solid black this summer & am wearing it in a different style so I'm hoping they don't recognize me. If I manage to get through this training without having any face to face contact with anyone that will be an awesome miracle! Oh gee I just realized I forgot to get a sticker from the last session. Gee I've got to run back & grab one. Everyone will stare at me when I walk out. I freaking hate this!
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Old Aug 16, 2013, 09:38 AM
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I'd say that's cool but would worry they just consider it demon possession instead...not very optimistic right now. Of course that may be becuase it's 2:39am and I'm awake, ugh.

Where do you know?

Yes, I would also worry in places where they don't believe schizophrenia exists that it could be replaced by demon possession. Exorcisms can be very scary up to the point of triggering mental illness, so it is a scary thought.

I was also up at 3:00 a.m. today, but by choice for a special occasion. I'm not tired now, though, despite only sleeping about 4 hours. right now chalking it up to excitement but I have to still be careful it doesn't become mania.
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@ crackilng slowly-can you picture yourself in what I think of as a "pope box" ? Bullet proof glass on all sides. No one can touch you!
Hang in there. You can do it.
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Old Aug 16, 2013, 10:07 AM
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I'm sorry that some of y'all had trouble sleeping last night. I actually forced myself to lay down at 10pm & forced myself to sleep. I'm normally never down that early. But I had to get up @ 5:30am to go to a training course that is an hour away from my home. I'm here now & feeling ever so uncomfortable. I'm in a huge room of well over 200 women and I managed to find a place to sit all alone. I wish I didn't have to be here but no choice. It's funny how I feel so alone & hopeless in a room full of so many people. I can't wait until this day is done.
I wouldn't like that either. 200 women.... No thanks. I don't like big crowds in one room.

I like Gr3tta's idea of a "pope box" or you can also envision yourself in a smooth white egg that shields you from others, especially if they are emotional. Basically the same concept.

good luck! hopefully you're out of there soon.
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Well I managed to run back to the first session and get the required sticker for my certificate. Made it through the second session. It was on "Why Feelings Matter". How appropriate! Now I'm doing "Stress and Family Relationships". I'm taking tons of notes. Hoping to really learn something!
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I wouldn't like that either. 200 women.... No thanks. I don't like big crowds in one room.

I like Gr3tta's idea of a "pope box" or you can also envision yourself in a smooth white egg that shields you from others, especially if they are emotional. Basically the same concept.

good luck! hopefully you're out of there soon.
Excellent ideas! Second session was about 60 women and this one is about 50. Groups are getting smaller. That makes my stress less. Plus I sat in the front row which helps too. Thanks for all the wonderful suggestions. It is very helpful. I've got to be here til 1pm. Ugh!
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Old Aug 16, 2013, 10:26 AM
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Yuck. Going in to work late is even harder than going on time. Now I just want to stay home!
I could text my boss"sorry, but I can't come in because I have a kitty on my lap :P" ...I don't think that would go over too well.
Okay, 10 more minutes. Then I'm going in. Really. Maybe I'll pack some sugar free pudding as a treat to have at work. I hope we got some more admits so I won't be bored!
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Yuck. Going in to work late is even harder than going on time. Now I just want to stay home!
I could text my boss"sorry, but I can't come in because I have a kitty on my lap :P" ...I don't think that would go over too well.
Okay, 10 more minutes. Then I'm going in. Really. Maybe I'll pack some sugar free pudding as a treat to have at work. I hope we got some more admits so I won't be bored!
Yeah I'd much rather stay home with the kitty on my lap too! I hope you'll have a great day and that it'll go by fast so that you can return home to your kitty!
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Old Aug 16, 2013, 11:34 AM
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Sometimes p: I think it is great and very therapeutic that you are able to challenge and confront your pdoc.
I believe your crankiness is normal considering the recent med change. IMHO dealing with emotions in a positive way ---really really feeling them and not trying to analyze them so much--- is the path to recovery. We have been told for so long that we are defective and every thought and feeling and experience is a part of a disease or disorder and what we experience is not normal, we are told we need to be treated, medicated. IMO recovery especially w/out meds or reduced meds means really feeling our feelings. It's really uncomfortable though. ( FYI I have been very angry lately, and stuff around my mother is bubbling at the surface.) Rather than tell myself that my irritability is not rational or logical, I am allowing myself to just feel it and acknowledge how uncomfortable it is. Yesterday I broke down and cried. I was very sad. I tell myself it is ok and it will pass and it does.
(Costello has reminded me in her posts about how nothing is really static, and even in our worst times of feeling out of control and awful, things do pass. Thanks Costello)

I think the insomnia stuff will level out for you as time passes, but it's definitely something to keep in check, even if that means a mild sleep aide.

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CS: I'm glad you got your sticker! In your "why feelings matter" session you should have asked, "Do my feelings of anxiety about large groups matter in this instance?" LOL.... I always think of things I would never say outloud....

Gr3tta: I agree going to work late is not fun. I would rather be at home, too. Fun things are happening today and I'm here... drowsing off because it's silent except the ticking of my clock. Haha....

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CS: I'm glad you got your sticker! In your "why feelings matter" session you should have asked, "Do my feelings of anxiety about large groups matter in this instance?" LOL.... I always think of things I would never say outloud....
LOL! I could never speak out loud in a big group like that. I learned something though......that I'm very messed up socially! I'd like to disappear right now!
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Old Aug 16, 2013, 12:51 PM
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LOL! I could never speak out loud in a big group like that. I learned something though......that I'm very messed up socially! I'd like to disappear right now!
I could only do it if I were on a stage in a play or a concert. Otherwise I'm a ninja.
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I feel a lot better than I have been. More clear. Just haven't had much to say. I've been sleeping a lot, I think I'm catching up because I've been sleeping pretty badly all summer.
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Sometimes p: I think it is great and very therapeutic that you are able to challenge and confront your pdoc.
I believe your crankiness is normal considering the recent med change. IMHO dealing with emotions in a positive way ---really really feeling them and not trying to analyze them so much--- is the path to recovery. We have been told for so long that we are defective and every thought and feeling and experience is a part of a disease or disorder and what we experience is not normal, we are told we need to be treated, medicated. IMO recovery especially w/out meds or reduced meds means really feeling our feelings. It's really uncomfortable though. ( FYI I have been very angry lately, and stuff around my mother is bubbling at the surface.) Rather than tell myself that my irritability is not rational or logical, I am allowing myself to just feel it and acknowledge how uncomfortable it is. Yesterday I broke down and cried. I was very sad. I tell myself it is ok and it will pass and it does.
(Costello has reminded me in her posts about how nothing is really static, and even in our worst times of feeling out of control and awful, things do pass. Thanks Costello)

I think the insomnia stuff will level out for you as time passes, but it's definitely something to keep in check, even if that means a mild sleep aide.
Thanks Mimi---I always really appreciate what you have to say. I think I'm OK with challenging the pdoc because I have a right to know how he thinks but I would have done it in a more gentle way---he actually seemed cool with it but then I actually gave him a thank you card I had planned on giving him at the end and he looked disturbed and didn't open it until I left then he came running out the elevator to say thank you. The card said Thank you for everything you've done for me and thank you for always being there when I need you. It was in a card that was a picture of holland with tulips etc where he had just gone on vacation. The card was more akin to my normal thinking. I like doing things that affect people positively I don't want to make anyone's day worse and he's not the enemy.

I'll watch the sleep but so far its not in the danger zone of <6 hours a day for a week.
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Sorry not to respond earlier...I managed to go back to sleep solid 7 hours. I normally need 9.5 hours of sleep so I can't just stay up whenever I want but if I literally cannot sleep because of the sickness it means I'm a little manic and 2 is enough. No your questions are not annoying.
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The crankiness is tolerable but I just noticed that I'm complaining and more negative even around here since reducing the dose to five and now 2.5. This was never part of my normal personality, most of my anger seems directed toward my pdoc right now which is actually unfair but it's a lot safer than other targets because he defends himself well. Basically I told him how I was worried about my diabetic friend eating a huge cookie, almost livid...he said we could just talk it through so we went point by point. Then when he asked me what book i was reading I told him it was a little anti psychiatry then I challenged him about the mechanism of action of the meds and the inaccuracy of the dopamine theory and he just put his feet up and told me a long story about his views on treatment and forced treatment. Completely dodged the mechanism but then I told him I'd take flower essences if they worked so I wasn't totally concerned with the mechanism. Then I started going off on peer support and how he could never provide the same thing and he just took it. In retrospect I was being entirely too challenging for someone wanting to go off the meds but I'm still happy I brought it up...at least I can trust him not to intervene just because I'm not being super happy to see him and pleasant like on the meds.
I challenge my psychiatrist too. Sometimes it annoys her but she knows it isn't personal. I think they expect us to.

One time we discussed our relationship. She noted it has an element of power to it but that it is like any other type or relationship. I am not convinced (yet) but as I get to know her I am starting to see how true her comment is because she puts so much effort into it. She has proven to me it isn't about power and being a know-it-all. Your psychiatrist appears to be the same way.
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I challenge my psychiatrist too. Sometimes it annoys her but she knows it isn't personal. I think they expect us to.

One time we discussed our relationship. She noted it has an element of power to it but that it is like any other type or relationship. I am not convinced (yet) but as I get to know her I am starting to see how true her comment is because she puts so much effort into it. She has proven to me it isn't about power and being a know-it-all. Your psychiatrist appears to be the same way.
Yeah he's a good guy I think but we may have problems going forward because my real personality off the meds tends to have problems with men in power. I tend to fight them just for the challenge. This should be interesting...
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My psychosis helped me accept myself. Why? I have always felt like an outsider due to my social difficulties and cognitive style. It helped me accept and embrace my eccentricities, because it proved I was meant to be different. It also confirmed I was misdiagnosed. The elimination of that doubt has helped tremendously. Now, I understand.

I wish my sadness would dissipate. It comes from all the years of seeking answers and trying to conform to who I was apparently supposed to be.

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My psychosis helped me accept myself. Why? I have always felt like an outsider due to my social difficulties and cognitive style. It helped me accept and embrace my eccentricities, because it proved I was meant to be different. It also confirmed I was misdiagnosed. The elimination of that doubt has helped tremendously. Now, I understand.

I wish my sadness would dissipate. It comes from all the years of seeking answers and trying to conform to who I was apparently supposed to be.
I really like how you said this, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts here.
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I really like how you said this, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts here.
Thanks.

Your post just made me realize why I feel so despondent. It is so much more than what I have posted. Now, I have an answer for my psychiatrist who told me I was in mourning.
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My psychosis helped me accept myself. Why? I have always felt like an outsider due to my social difficulties and cognitive style. It helped me accept and embrace my eccentricities, because it proved I was meant to be different. It also confirmed I was misdiagnosed. The elimination of that doubt has helped tremendously. Now, I understand.

I wish my sadness would dissipate. It comes from all the years of seeking answers and trying to conform to who I was apparently supposed to be.

Hopefully my grammar is correct this time.
You know, this is similar to why I was relieved to learn I had bipolar and a doctor confirm it. Because I had always been different. And, I had known I wanted or needed some sort of help even as a kid. I was a depressed kid. I was able to "play" happy but I was depressed. Even my family and cousins would just go off on me for being too sensitive.

It was validation that I was not a lying POS or attention seeker. That yes, something was different about me. And I was okay with being different, knowing that the difference actually was recognized and not something I was making up for attention.... I didn't want attention, I just wanted to know why I was different.

It's always been part of me, and I'm okay with that.
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You know, this is similar to why I was relieved to learn I had bipolar and a doctor confirm it. Because I had always been different. And, I had known I wanted or needed some sort of help even as a kid. I was a depressed kid. I was able to "play" happy but I was depressed. Even my family and cousins would just go off on me for being too sensitive.
My childhood was similar. I am sensitive too. My family used to tell me not to take everything too personally. It used to make me mad.

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It was validation that I was not a lying POS or attention seeker. That yes, something was different about me. And I was okay with being different, knowing that the difference actually was recognized and not something I was making up for attention.... I didn't want attention, I just wanted to know why I was different.
I was accused of attention seeking in the past by doctors. My frustration and desperation for answers took me to an awful place. I resorted to some out of character behaviors such as SI. I just wanted to be heard but no one was listening. I haven't forgiven myself for this yet, because of the tremendous amount of remorse I feel.

Validation was what I always wanted from people and the doctors.
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Ugh! I got a letter from some stranger at the jail. My son told me some guy wanted to write to me. I should have been clearer that I do not want letters from people I don't know you are staying at the jail. I don't want my address given out to strangers. Has he no common sense at all?
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Ugh! I got a letter from some stranger at the jail. My son told me some guy wanted to write to me. I should have been clearer that I do not want letters from people I don't know you are staying at the jail. I don't want my address given out to strangers. Has he no common sense at all?
Oh gosh Costello! Be very careful! I knew a girl once who started writing to a guy in prison. It was her brother's friend. They wrote back & forth for 7 months. Then she left the state of Missouri where she was living & moved to Texas to be with him when he got out of prison. In letters & on phone calls he pretended to be a perfect guy. Promised her & her kids everything. The moment she reached Texas he took her money from her & became very controlling & abusive. He was terrible to her & her kids. After almost 2 yrs she barely escaped with her life & her kids are forever damaged due to their experiences with this man. She only wanted a pen pal in the beginning but then she fell in love with the lies he told her. He almost killed her!
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