New roll call eh

[Blue_Bird]

I ate healthy today, for the past few weeks I've ate nothing but junkfood and pizza, the only vebetables I had during that time was the lettuce on a big mac lol

Tweaky bought 20 Morphine. Just for shitz and gigglez.

[newtus]

Ody i just gotta choose an argument out of the first 8 chapters. its philosophy 101. so basically probably an argument against an "101" argument.

some examples i was given was like "what is truth?" or "nature of reality: material vs non material" or "do rules or consequences make an action morally right?".

i still dont quite understand

[ladisputelover]

Went to my first PHP day. Went okay I guess. I like my t which is good.

[ofthevalley]

Pizza and breadsticks for dinner...yummy!

[newtus]

i just had enchiladas with hot sauce for dinner.......microwaveable...put tapatio hot sauce on it. real good. i like to drench certain foods in hot sauce. just like some people do with ketchup i do with hot sauce...just drown it.

[newtus]

im sitting back watching free MIT courseware on Philosophy on my Roku. its like studying but its like im not so it makes me feel better. but the only videos they offer for the subject are on the philosophy of love.

[newtus]

im watching this MIT course video on philosophy and this guy must NOT be a philosophy major. he is forreal falling asleep in the video. hes like REALLY concentrating on sleep right here.

Originally Posted by newtus

Ody i just gotta choose an argument out of the first 8 chapters. its philosophy 101. so basically probably an argument against an "101" argument.

some examples i was given was like "what is truth?" or "nature of reality: material vs non material" or "do rules or consequences make an action morally right?".

i still dont quite understand

The one example we have of truth are those of mathematics. A2 + B2 =C2 is the Pythagorean theorem. It's true of all rectilinear triangles. Deductive logic can give us necessary truths, but Hume says their mere tautologies, that is, facts about words. All bachelors are unmarried men, is a classic example. This is such a tough one, Newtus. For example, Descartes, " I think, therefore I am" makes sense. Then one can break it down and ask, "Are you sure YOU"RE thinking? And what is this think called "I"? Hume and many others claim that one is a bunch of experiences and memories, there is no I. Locke, believed that the mind was an association of ideas that act as gravity that are attracted to something something mysteriously knits it all together. Many consciousness is just an illusion! Skepticism is crucial to philosophy, and truths seem to be only tentative. This is where one flexes their mind and takes the greatest things said and thought, finds sound arguments and create a broad worldview that encompasses. I use pragmatism (W. Jame's pragmatism, What is in your highest virtue to believe in) towards much. Quite honestly, I'm agnostic about a lot of things, but I have many inclinations. Still, I love the freeplay of ideas. If there is one quality of a true philosopher it would have to be the wonder of ideas and the free play of those ideas.

Is nature purely physical? The argument here would be if minds are material or not. Take the brain, expand it to the size of a building and what are you going to see? You're going to see mostly fat, protein, and water. Which translates into neurons that consists of axons, dendrites, and synapses. No where in the mechanics do we see an idea, motive, desire, feeling, sensation, or perception. However, we could press further and look at the levels of information. Some thoughts though. If physics is at base built on probablism, then how come we can have necessities in logic that aren't probabilistic, or mathematics that are so precise. If reality is probabilistic from head to toe then why are there these anomalies. You might want to look up qualia and the mary problem. It's a classic rebuttal against a complete physics in principle.

I think that intentions matter, not consequences. This is Kant (deontology) vs John Stewart Mill(Utility). As for a rule being moral, I mean if you're living in a society with rules such as... slavery is okay, then isn't that still wrong? You might think so but WHY is it wrong becomes the question. For Kant, if you're rationally autonomous then you are part of the moral community. Regarding others, you ought not use others as a means to your own ends.For instance, if you make a person a slave then you are taking them away from the moral community and that prohibits them to be rationally autonomous. Therefore, morality is negated and whose to say that that person's rational autonomous isn't going to be taken. You're suppose to act as if you're actions are universally applied, which would make slave owning seem unmoral because then all would be slaves if you stuck to universalizing your moral precept. That one isn't as clear as lying. If you lie to a person you are using them as a means to your own ends, and not their own. Therefore if you universalize this moral precept then everyone would lie and their would be no morality because everyone would be a means to other's ends.

[aka Bean]

do we had a chat 2night or no?

yes in minutes

[aka Bean]

do we have a password?

Originally Posted by aka Bean

do we have a password?

The password is: Bean is amazing.

[aka Bean]

Originally Posted by 0dysseus

The password is: Bean is amazing.

haha thanks

[newtus]

Originally Posted by 0dysseus

The one example we have of truth are those of mathematics. A2 + B2 =C2 is the Pythagorean theorem. It's true of all rectilinear triangles. Deductive logic can give us necessary truths, but Hume says their mere tautologies, that is, facts about words. All bachelors are unmarried men, is a classic example. This is such a tough one, Newtus. For example, Descartes, " I think, therefore I am" makes sense. Then one can break it down and ask, "Are you sure YOU"RE thinking? And what is this think called "I"? Hume and many others claim that one is a bunch of experiences and memories, there is no I. Locke, believed that the mind was an association of ideas that act as gravity that are attracted to something something mysteriously knits it all together. Many consciousness is just an illusion! Skepticism is crucial to philosophy, and truths seem to be only tentative. This is where one flexes their mind and takes the greatest things said and thought, finds sound arguments and create a broad worldview that encompasses. I use pragmatism (W. Jame's pragmatism, What is in your highest virtue to believe in) towards much. Quite honestly, I'm agnostic about a lot of things, but I have many inclinations. Still, I love the freeplay of ideas. If there is one quality of a true philosopher it would have to be the wonder of ideas and the free play of those ideas.


Is nature purely physical? The argument here would be if minds are material or not. Take the brain, expand it to the size of a building and what are you going to see? You're going to see mostly fat, protein, and water. Which translates into neurons that consists of axons, dendrites, and synapses. No where in the mechanics do we see an idea, motive, desire, feeling, sensation, or perception. However, we could press further and look at the levels of information. Some thoughts though. If physics is at base built on probablism, then how come we can have necessities in logic that aren't probabilistic, or mathematics that are so precise. If reality is probabilistic from head to toe then why are there these anomalies. You might want to look up qualia and the mary problem. It's a classic rebuttal against a complete physics in principle.


I think that intentions matter, not consequences. This is Kant (deontology) vs John Stewart Mill(Utility). As for a rule being moral, I mean if you're living in a society with rules such as... slavery is okay, then isn't that still wrong? You might think so but WHY is it wrong becomes the question. For Kant, if you're rationally autonomous then you are part of the moral community. Regarding others, you ought not use others as a means to your own ends.For instance, if you make a person a slave then you are taking them away from the moral community and that prohibits them to be rationally autonomous. Therefore, morality is negated and whose to say that that person's rational autonomous isn't going to be taken. You're suppose to act as if you're actions are universally applied, which would make slave owning seem unmoral because then all would be slaves if you stuck to universalizing your moral precept. That one isn't as clear as lying. If you lie to a person you are using them as a means to your own ends, and not their own. Therefore if you universalize this moral precept then everyone would lie and their would be no morality because everyone would be a means to other's ends.

very insightful thank you!
when i decide what im going to write on ill tell you.
im not quite sure if its going to be on these tho.
i dont mean to exercise your mind out of the blue but these were only examples!

[Door2015]

Hey there!

Originally Posted by newtus

very insightful thank you!
when i decide what im going to write on ill tell you.
im not quite sure if its going to be on these tho.
i dont mean to exercise your mind out of the blue but these were only examples!

Don't worry about it. I love to write about it. It warms up the brain cells. I really do love philosophy-- more than most professors. I have a romantic attachment to it. I can't live without it. Too many so called "philosophers" are just mere copies of their own professors. They aren't original thinkers. Furthermore, often times they won't give the counter argument-- which leads to propaganda. What students, and professors even, should be exercising is the free play of ideas with a sense of wonder. If you take a look at all of the philosophy professors you will notice a riot of different, competing and conflicting beliefs amongst them. Don't play into any one professor, just take each idea as if it were a tool and add it to your tool box and play with them until they start to make sense.

[Door2015]

Chat was really nice this week, Odysseus. When you left I said bye, and they thought I was leaving and told me bye, and I was embarrassed to explain, so I left.

But it was was nice.

[Door2015]

@chickenfoot, whenst you return, thank you, that was awesome!

[ofthevalley]

Took a PRN just waiting for it to take hold so I can get some sleep. Wild and crazy Friday night waiting to go to bed at 10:17 lol

Originally Posted by Door2015

Chat was really nice this week, Odysseus. When you left I said bye, and they thought I was leaving and told me bye, and I was embarrassed to explain, so I left.

But it was was nice.

Oh no worries. It is only meant to go on for an hour. That's around the time you left. Thanks for joining, Door! I appreciate that.

[Door2015]

Originally Posted by 0dysseus

Oh no worries. It is only meant to go on for an hour. That's around the time you left. Thanks for joining, Door! I appreciate that.

It was easier this week, and it wasn't as laggy.

[Door2015]

I made a new friend today..

[Daisydoll29]

Originally Posted by 0dysseus

The password is: Bean is amazing.

I enjoyed my first chat! Thanks