[spiritual_emergency]

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A highly informative video I came across on youtube, featuring Dr. John Breeding. Mention is given of Dr. Bertram Karon and trauma states. The video lasts about 15 minutes:

[InACorner]

thats an interesting video ...i just dont like the way he says "So called depression" unless i got misunderstood that...if i did i would greatly appreciate your explaination...but if its meant the way i think it is..its pretty insulting especially since its very real.....and very tough to get through as i have watched my friends on here get through it....

[spiritual_emergency]

InACorner: i just dont like the way he says "So called depression" unless i got misunderstood that...if i did i would greatly appreciate your explaination...but if its meant the way i think it is..its pretty insulting especially since its very real.....and very tough to get through as i have watched my friends on here get through it....

Well... I can't speak for Dr. Breeding but since it was my impression that he was building on an earlier discussion related to depression, I went searching for that video. I found it and you're welcome to view it here:

[/b]. For the record, I haven't watched it myself so aside from his comments in the first video, I have no idea what he has to say about it. Whether or not you (or any other reader) chooses to accept his opinion is entirely up to you, of course.

My own experience included many months of deep depression but to me, that was an indication of health -- not an indication of disorder. I had lost a number of things that were very important to me and in the face of those kind of losses, sorrow is to be expected. Now, if everything in my life was absolutely wonderful but I still felt this terrible sense of sadness... I think then I would say that something was wrong. As it was, my sadness could be clearly linked to my experiences.

Meantime, I imagine that depression, like other forms of mental illness, can have a variety of root causes. And like schizophrenia/psychosis, if we focus on only one aspect -- in this case, the biological or neurological aspect -- we can miss or overlook other aspects that can be contributing. For example, a man may feel unappreciated in his life and the symptom of this sense of feeling undervalued and not appreciated might manifest as a sense of sorrow. We could say that he is depressed as a result and it's quite likely that medication might help him, but it won't get rid of the underlying cause. However, if he can find some degree of resolution for the situation or his response to it, he won't require medication. Does that mean that depression is not real or that kind of solution will work for everyone? Not in my opinion. I think you have to look at the individual situation.

The same can be said of schizophrenia. There is, as of yet, no absolutely determined cause of schizophrenia. Science can point and say, We think it's dopamine related or, We think it's genetic or We think it's caused by a virus in cat poop but no definite cause has yet been pinned down. However, if you talk to individuals who have gone through the experience called psychosis or schizophrenia in this culture, they can often tell you why they "went crazy". Quite often, it's a very human reason.

I "went crazy" because I lost too many things I had loved or had invested myself in, too fast. On top of that, a number of people had died and I not only felt extreme sadness and horror over those deaths, I also believed that I was responsible in some manner -- that somehow, if I had done things differently, I could have prevented their deaths. Sometimes this thing called grandiosity can work in reverse -- ego deflation, not ego inflation. Mixed in with all those losses and deaths was trauma. I did my best to carry it for as long as I could and there came a moment when I couldn't anymore. "I" collapsed and spent the next six weeks engaged in an inner journey that helped put me back together. For me, the only way out was through.

Can the same sort of model be laid like a transparency over the experiences of those who are critically depressed? I don't know. That would be for those who are depressed to figure out for themselves. If it works for them, that's because it does. If it doesn't, that's because it doesn't.

[shotyouth]

how about 4 instead of two?

i think you could only do that with womeone else who had the same selfless understanding.

and then three could do 6

but youd make 4 from 2, so gots a be careful. but with ones inspiration. 2 could eatch make one that makes three, or maybe it already did.

could 1 make 4? or 5 or 6?

what about flowers? what the %#@&#! are thoes good for and how do we come across thoes?

theyre pretty right? and they bloom?