[In_The_Darkness]

I don't think I will get sectioned because I just self harmed again. I mean it's like not deep AT ALL and I have been OFFICIALLY discharged from hospital now...after being in there for only a week and VOLUNTARILY.

Reasons why I don't think I should get sectioned:

• Self harm is very rare
• Cuts aren't deep
• Burns aren't big or severe
• Am normally extremely happy - it's just this real upset with my dad that has pushed me to cut: usually I can manage.
• I love life
• Im not suicidal
• I DONT WANT TO DIE
• I'm 15 and mental hospitals just give me new ideas
• I am recovering better outside of hospital - with my mum of whom I love sooo much
• And many more positives

Do you really think I need to be sectioned ? I don't. But yeah. Tonight's been extremely difficult had an argument with my dad and I keep bursting out crying because of it. Now I'm scared I will get sectioned. I have been self harming for a LONG time though and never ever been sectioned, only gone in once for 1 week - VOLUNTARILY. So yeah. Cus my SI isn't SEVERE.

I need

[phoenix7]

No i dont think you need to be sectioned jmo - but I do think you need help - are you seeing a T?

[In_The_Darkness]

Originally Posted by phoenix7

No i dont think you need to be sectioned jmo - but I do think you need help - are you seeing a T?

Yes I am. Mood qwise I am actually sound now...it's just coping with extremely stressful events - like the one that happened tonight.

[phoenix7]

I ma glad you are seeing a T and I hope you have stopped SIing now - can you ring your T? and talk about this - next time it happens can you do somthing else - there are lots of ideas at the top of the threads here

I pace and say calm and relaxed - or write down how I feel and then tear it up into a million pieces!!! - ok not a million but lots ok

I exercise to get rid of the energy - please try not to hurt yourself - it doesnt solve the problem - it only puts off dealing wiht it jmo

take care ok

[In_The_Darkness]

Yes I stopped SIng ages ago. Just cant sleep because Im still sad about what happened.

[phoenix7]

its ok to be sad - it took me a long time to realise that - I thought that to be ok I had to be able to just let things bounce off me - but when sad things happen its ok to be sad.

Can you try and imagine yourself somewhere you feel happy - thats what I do --wel I imagine myself in T's office - curled up i a corner cos I feel safe there ...... dumb I knwo but it helps me - I hope the sadness leaves soon

[Sannah]

Yes, I would suggest you talking to your T about your dad and that whole thing that happened.

[dance59326]

Originally Posted by In_The_Darkness

Reasons why I don't think I should get sectioned:

• Self harm is very rare
• Cuts aren't deep
• Burns aren't big or severe
• Am normally extremely happy - it's just this real upset with my dad that has pushed me to cut: usually I can manage.
• I love life
• Im not suicidal
• I DONT WANT TO DIE
• I'm 15 and mental hospitals just give me new ideas
• I am recovering better outside of hospital - with my mum of whom I love sooo much
• And many more positives

Do you really think I need to be sectioned ? I don't. But yeah. Tonight's been extremely difficult had an argument with my dad and I keep bursting out crying because of it. Now I'm scared I will get sectioned. I have been self harming for a LONG time though and never ever been sectioned, only gone in once for 1 week - VOLUNTARILY. So yeah. Cus my SI isn't SEVERE.

I need

Hi, I'm 16 years old and have had issues myself. I really don't think that you need to be sectioned. I've been through just about the whole system begining when I was 12 or 13 years old. When I began, a few months went by, but my therapist's help wasn't enough.

I was in and out about once when I had my first melt down, then went back in during July of my summer of 8th grade, following that, I was in and out during 9th grade until I landed in a long term institute for 3 months following a program in a day treatment center. Things were so rough for me and I basically totalled my 9th grade being in for only 8 weeks of my freshman year and just returning this year during the second week of the second quarter.
Being in the hospital tends to be really detrimental because patients feed off of other patients, creating ideas of self-harm to each other through their marks and actionsl.

If you are not suicidal and are not self-harming /not harming seriously at frequent levels, then you should be ok. Utilizing your therapist seems to me what you handle best. Great for you to love life and not feel suicidal. As for your father, just ignore him or just say "yes" to whatever he says. He will eventually get the vibe to leave you alone.

Please PM me and keep me updated, I'd love to
help you in as many ways that I can!

Wishing you the best,
dance59326

[In_The_Darkness]

Originally Posted by dance59326

Hi, I'm 16 years old and have had issues myself. I really don't think that you need to be sectioned. I've been through just about the whole system begining when I was 12 or 13 years old. When I began, a few months went by, but my therapist's help wasn't enough.

I was in and out about once when I had my first melt down, then went back in during July of my summer of 8th grade, following that, I was in and out during 9th grade until I landed in a long term institute for 3 months following a program in a day treatment center. Things were so rough for me and I basically totalled my 9th grade being in for only 8 weeks of my freshman year and just returning this year during the second week of the second quarter.
Being in the hospital tends to be really detrimental because patients feed off of other patients, creating ideas of self-harm to each other through their marks and actionsl.

If you are not suicidal and are not self-harming /not harming seriously at frequent levels, then you should be ok. Utilizing your therapist seems to me what you handle best. Great for you to love life and not feel suicidal. As for your father, just ignore him or just say "yes" to whatever he says. He will eventually get the vibe to leave you alone.

Please PM me and keep me updated, I'd love to
help you in as many ways that I can!

Wishing you the best,
dance59326

Only problem is, I am self harming almost daily now :/

[Sannah]

Are you working with your T on this?

[In_The_Darkness]

Originally Posted by Sannah

Are you working with your T on this?

Will be. I think the only reason I am self harming is that I need some therapy. It's taking a while to getmeinto the DBT group though.

I just cut KINDA deep. It's the deepest I have ever done on the top of my armbut at least Im not doing it on the bottom. I use quite a blunt knife as well because I dont really want to hurt THAT much.

I don't even feel that sad. Just confused. Confused cus I feel good but I dont. EeK!

[phoenix7]

the relief it gives is temporary - and yes I needed to cut deeper as time went on - because its like an adiction ....

when do you see your T ? the dbt group? is there someone you can see in the meantime?

try to do somthing else next time the urges come - go for a walk - play music - exercise - please try not to hurt yourelf ok

take care - be safe - P7

[dance59326]

Below is a self help impulse control log. It has a model for it's use first. I hope it will help some in their efforts to overcome SI or other issues.

IMPULSE CONTROL LOG

The impulse control log is taken from S.A.F.E and is geared specifically for self-injury but can be used for many types of compulsions.
With the impulse control log it is required that you log down every thought or feeling associated with a particular urge to self injure, whether or not you actually go through with the act or not. In the beginning the goal is that the writing will become a diversion from the act itself. The long-term goal is to understand the connection between your thoughts, feelings, and behaviors.

Self-injury itself is a thought, not a feeling. Once you can fully grasp and understand that internally, you can begin to understand that self-injury is a behavior and behaviors can be changed.

Self-injury keeps us from dealing with uncomfortable feelings. Feelings or thoughts we find unacceptable are disguised through self-harming in some way although only a temporary relief is felt. If you feel the need to self-harm there is a feeling behind that, something you need to express.

Using the impulse control log is a good way to make you slow down, think before you act and remind you that you are in control.

Below is a generic example

IMPULSE CONTROL LOG

1.SELF-INJURY THOUGHTS: Burning, Cutting

2.TIME AND DATE: 3/9/07

3.LOCATION: My Room

4.SITUATION: A Friend and I aren't speaking, my boyfriend and I got into a fight, a relative is sick, and I lost my wallet.

5.FEELING: Angry, Upset, Lonely, Frustrated, Alone, And Disappointed

6.WHAT WOULD BE THE RESULT OF SELF-INJURY? If I cut/burn, Then I don’t have to get angry, then I don’t have to cry, then I don’t have to care,
then it won’t matter what they say or do, I can act and appear like I don't care.

7. WHAT WOULD I BE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH MY SELF-INJURY?
That I do have feelings, that I think no ones cares, that I think I don't matter, that it hurts less if I cut/burn myself, that I'm scared.

8.ACTION TAKEN: Ended up running, doing some artwork, and writing in my journal.

9.COMMENTS: My desire to cut or act out is still w/me but I’m challenging the thoughts. Tonight I plan on going to the gym and then to a friends house.
__________________

Feel free to print out this ICL to log your own impulses.
Share whatever you feel appropriate with us as you wish.
__________________

IMPULSE CONTROL LOG

1.SELF-INJURY THOUGHTS:


2.TIME AND DATE:


3.LOCATION:


4.SITUATION:


5.FEELING:


6.WHAT WOULD BE THE RESULT OF SELF-INJURY?


7. WHAT WOULD I BE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH MY SELF-INJURY?



8.ACTION TAKEN:


9.COMMENTS:



Hope this helps!
Peace!

[dance59326]

Try to not get stuck in your moods and push them away and save them for a time when you can be reasonable and reflect on what you did and how you can change yourself for future situations like this.
Here's a way how you can reflect on your problems and how to understand how you began to feel like what ever your issue is and how to accept the issue, then try to move on and begin with a new slate again:
1. Describe the specific PROBLEM BEHAVIOR

(flashback, cutting, disassociation, hiding, closeting, panic attack, etc.)
A. Be very specific and detailed. No vague terms.

B. Identify exactly what you did, said, thought or felt (if feelings are the targeted problem behavior).

C. Describe the intensity of the behavior and other characteristics of the behavior that are
important.

D. Describe the problem behavior in enough detail that an actor in a play or movie could recreate the behavior exactly.
2. Describe the specific PRECIPITATING EVENT that started the whole chain of behavior.

A. Start with the environmental event that started the chain. Always start with some event in your environment, even if it doesn't seem to you that the environmental event "caused" the problem behavior. Possible questions to get at this are:
What exact event precipitated the start of the chain reaction?
When did the sequence of events that led to the problem behavior begin? When did the problem start?
What was going on the moment the problem started?
What were you doing, thinking, feeling, imagining at that time?
Why did the problem behavior happen on that days instead of the day before? 3. Describe in general VULNERABILITY FACTORS happening before the precipitating event.

What factors or events made you more vulnerable to a problematic chain? Areas to examine are:
A. Physical illness; unbalanced eating or sleeping; injury

B. Use of drugs or alcohol; misuse of prescription drugs

C. Stressful events in the environment (either positive or negative)

D. Intense emotions, such as sadness, anger, fear, loneliness

E. Previous behaviors of your own that you found stressful
4. Describe in excruciating detail THE CHAIN OF EVENTS that led up to the problem behavior.

A. What next? Imagine that your problem behavior is chained to the precipitating event in the environment. How long is the chain? Where does it go? What are the links? Write out all links in the chain of events, no matter how small. Be very specific, as if you are writing a script for a play.
What exact thought (or belief), feeling, or action followed the precipitating event? What thought, feeling, or action followed that? What next?
Look at each link in the chain after you write it. Was there another thought feeling, or action that could have occurred? Could someone else have thought, felt, or acted differently at that point? If so, explain how that specific thought, feeling, or action came to be.
For each link in the chain, as if there is a smaller link I could describe.
B. The links can be thoughts, emotions, sensations and behaviors.
5. What are the CONSEQUENCES of this behavior? Be specific.

How did other people react immediately and later?
How did you feel immediately following the behavior? Later?
What effect did the behavior have on you and your environment? 6. Describe in detail different SOLUTIONS to the problem.

A.Go back to the chain of your behaviors following the prompting event. Circle each point or link indicating that if you had done something different, you would have avoided the problem behavior.

B.What could you have done differently at each link in the chain of events to avoid the problem behavior? What coping behaviors or skillful behaviors could you have used?
7. Describe in detail the PREVENTION STRATEGY

A. How could you have kept the chain from starting by reducing your vulnerability to the chain.
8. Describe what you are going to do to REPAIR important or significant consequences of the problem behavior.

I think that you should try to give this a shot, but wait until you can be calm and out of your extreme emotional state so that you can reflect on the issue reasonably and not with a mental health distortion

PM me anytime if you want to. I'd love to help you get through your barriers.
~dance59326

[In_The_Darkness]

Thanks dance

I'm sure it would help. I suppose that is kinda like a better version of CBT - changing the thought process.

Thought - I'm fat
Feeling/Emotion - Self Hate
Action - Cut

You have to learn to change the action.

Thought - I'm fat
Feeling/Emotion - Self Hate
Action - Go for a walk

You have to find an alternative to what you currently do.

Well that's my understanding of CBT anyway lol.

[Sannah]

And work on why you have self hate in therapy so that you can fix it.........

[dance59326]

DBT is a much better program than CBT. I find that the DBT program works the best. I hope that things can become more level and you can feel less anxious.

Keep me posted,
dance59326