Masturbation

hamster-bamster · Jun 21, 2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme7

I also feel like because I have been given all the facts, like porn is normal for a teenager, that kind of motivates me to not want to control my behavior at all costs. It's basically setting myself up for an addiction.
If someone told me that it was wrong and that it had adverse effects even though it may be a lie, I will try to keep it in check

Print this out and give it to the person you will be seeing for a professional consultation. Somebody needs to look at it and the sooner the better. It would also be of practical value to have a professional look at it, since you have very severe lapses in your reasoning (train of thought), very severe... I imagine that sooner or later you will run into problems because of those lapses, to the point of, say, being unable to go to graduate school. You are too young to think about it, but try - graduate school examinations all contain analytical components and, I am afraid, you won't pass them with this kind of thinking. It is hard to say what exactly the problem is, not being a trained professional, but many of us here see that the problem is rather extreme.

Jun 21, 2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mapleton

Can I answer this one sarcastically?

sure, why not? i could use a little laugh.

growlithing · Jun 21, 2013, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mapleton

Can I answer this one sarcastically?

Touché :P

Jun 21, 2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

Print this out and give it to the person you will be seeing for a professional consultation. Somebody needs to look at it and the sooner the better. It would also be of practical value to have a professional look at it, since you have very severe lapses in your reasoning (train of thought), very severe... I imagine that sooner or later you will run into problems because of those lapses, to the point of, say, being unable to go to graduate school. You are too young to think about it, but try - graduate school examinations all contain analytical components and, I am afraid, you won't pass them with this kind of thinking. It is hard to say what exactly the problem is, not being a trained professional, but many of us here see that the problem is rather extreme.

my reasoning like the one where i think someone is staring at me is really...this is what i think. I think that because of my need to cover up, even though there's no need because no one knows, is really why i've been thinking that others have been "wary" of me. I mean, of course they didnt know. Unless you tell someone, they can't prove that you've been watching it.

Mapleton · Jun 21, 2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme7

oh i'm not ashamed. I feel like now it's normal.

I suggest the psychiatrist, less because of what you think about the "normalcy" of mast. and more because you're using confusing, circular arguments and jumping between positions.

That sounds a lot like formal thought disorder (E.G. borderline, bipolar mania (p), schizophrenia, or maybe autism-- although I doubt it is autism, here)

I'll repeat... you need to speak to someone other than a few people on an internet forum, no matter how interesting and helpful we seem to be.

Good luck. As I said, go get that psychiatric consult.

growlithing · Jun 21, 2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

Print this out and give it to the person you will be seeing for a professional consultation. Somebody needs to look at it and the sooner the better. It would also be of practical value to have a professional look at it, since you have very severe lapses in your reasoning (train of thought), very severe... I imagine that sooner or later you will run into problems because of those lapses, to the point of, say, being unable to go to graduate school. You are too young to think about it, but try - graduate school examinations all contain analytical components and, I am afraid, you won't pass them with this kind of thinking. It is hard to say what exactly the problem is, not being a trained professional, but many of us here see that the problem is rather extreme.

I definitely agree. There is something seriously going on with you at a cognitive level because you seem like an intelligent guy for the most part, but your concept of cause and effect is seriously warped and they sometimes almost sound like paranoid delusions. Seeing a professional will be good for you because s/he can identify the real problem and help you fix it.

hamster-bamster · Jun 21, 2013, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme7

but i can never be "pure" because of seminal discharge.

How was that a response to my post? My post was about what seems to be unusually concrete thinking on your part. I did not say that you needed to be "pure".

read this about circumstantial thinking

Mental status examination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and this about the thought content

Mental status examination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (read especially about preoccupations)

At any rate, no reading substitutes for a professional evaluation.

hamster-bamster · Jun 21, 2013, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme7

my reasoning like the one where i think someone is staring at me is really...this is what i think. I think that because of my need to cover up, even though there's no need because no one knows, is really why i've been thinking that others have been "wary" of me. I mean, of course they didnt know. Unless you tell someone, they can't prove that you've been watching it.

there is some sort of grandiosity in your thinking, too... again, it is really hard to pinpoint it not being a professional, but, basically... DUDE, people in general have a lot of things to do!!! And, in general, they are not preoccupied with the question of your use of porn, because, I am sorry, but you do not MATTER to them so much! Why would they waste their time thinking about proving that you have watched porn? What would be the benefit to them? They have their relationships, jobs, bills, etc. and they do not CARE so much about your use of porn. Your existence is not that bloody important to them, OK? You are not the center of the universe.

Jun 21, 2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

there is some sort of grandiosity in your thinking, too... again, it is really hard to pinpoint it not being a professional, but, basically... DUDE, people in general have a lot of things to do!!! And, in general, they are not preoccupied with the question of your use of porn, because, I am sorry, but you do not MATTER to them so much! Why would they waste their time thinking about proving that you have watched porn? What would be the benefit to them? They have their relationships, jobs, bills, etc. and they do not CARE so much about your use of porn. Your existence is not that bloody important to them, OK? You are not the center of the universe.

that's exactly what my therapist told me. he was like,"dude, who wants to know if someone else had been viewing porn? That's just silly."

Jun 21, 2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

there is some sort of grandiosity in your thinking, too... again, it is really hard to pinpoint it not being a professional, but, basically... DUDE, people in general have a lot of things to do!!! And, in general, they are not preoccupied with the question of your use of porn, because, I am sorry, but you do not MATTER to them so much! Why would they waste their time thinking about proving that you have watched porn? What would be the benefit to them? They have their relationships, jobs, bills, etc. and they do not CARE so much about your use of porn. Your existence is not that bloody important to them, OK? You are not the center of the universe.

whoa, take it easy. I am not at all being self-centered. I'm merely trying to express how I feel. I don't feel any more important than anyone else on this planet.

Jun 21, 2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

How was that a response to my post? My post was about what seems to be unusually concrete thinking on your part. I did not say that you needed to be "pure".

read this about circumstantial thinking

Mental status examination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and this about the thought content

Mental status examination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (read especially about preoccupations)

At any rate, no reading substitutes for a professional evaluation.

I go off topic a lot. whatever happens to be on my mind at that moment is how I respond.

Jun 21, 2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by growlithing

I definitely agree. There is something seriously going on with you at a cognitive level because you seem like an intelligent guy for the most part, but your concept of cause and effect is seriously warped and they sometimes almost sound like paranoid delusions. Seeing a professional will be good for you because s/he can identify the real problem and help you fix it.

I suppose so.
nobody knows is what i will think from now on.

hamster-bamster · Jun 21, 2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme7

whoa, take it easy. I am not at all being self-centered. I'm merely trying to express how I feel. I don't feel any more important than anyone else on this planet.

OK, so then everybody else on this planet spends just as much time as you do pondering whether others can prove something about their private lives?.. Not possible - the world would have long come to a halt.

The part about self-centered was not by way of making a judgment of you but rather by way of observing what makes your thinking unusual.

Jun 21, 2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

OK, so then everybody else on this planet spends just as much time as you do pondering whether others can prove something about their private lives?.. Not possible - the world would have long come to a halt.

The part about self-centered was not by way of making a judgment of you but rather by way of observing what makes your thinking unusual.

I am not talking about others worrying about my wanting to watch porn. I mean, they don't know. It's just that I am very inquisitive so when there are questions mixed with input that I would like to offer, I just say them out loud. I don't believe in keeping one's thoughts in their mind if it bothers them. so the best thing i do is express myself and just hope that by doing so, I can be guided.

Jun 21, 2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

OK, so then everybody else on this planet spends just as much time as you do pondering whether others can prove something about their private lives?.. Not possible - the world would have long come to a halt.

The part about self-centered was not by way of making a judgment of you but rather by way of observing what makes your thinking unusual.

I am not talking about others worrying about my wanting to watch porn. I mean, they don't know. It's just that I am very inquisitive so when there are questions mixed with input that I would like to offer, I just say them out loud. I don't believe in keeping one's thoughts in their mind if it bothers them. so the best thing i do is express myself and just hope that by doing so, I can be guided.

Yes I admit that at some point I felt like I was seriously important, but not anymore. that happened when I was bullied a lot and i thought that by exercising importance and being apathetic would help but no, i was wrong.

LiteraryLark · Jun 21, 2013, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme7

I go off topic a lot. whatever happens to be on my mind at that moment is how I respond.

But that's not how a conversation or a thread works. When we ask you a question we expect you to respond to the topic and not shift to whatever you are feeling at the moment. It is hard to understand you when you cannot answer our questions or respond appropriately. Like another member has said, you need to talk to a professional about your lapses in reasoning.

LiteraryLark · Jun 21, 2013, 10:35 PM

Also, it is best to stick to the original topic, which is masturbation.

Jun 21, 2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSkipper

But that's not how a conversation or a thread works. When we ask you a question we expect you to respond to the topic and not shift to whatever you are feeling at the moment. It is hard to understand you when you cannot answer our questions or respond appropriately. Like another member has said, you need to talk to a professional about your lapses in reasoning.

what do you mean lapses in reasoning?

Jun 21, 2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSkipper

Also, it is best to stick to the original topic, which is masturbation.

Alright then.

hamster-bamster · Jun 22, 2013, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme7

what do you mean lapses in reasoning?

There is no point discussing it here. When you have somebody lined up, we can help you put together a collection of your statements that - to many people on the thread - demonstrate issues with your reasoning. Somebody calls them lapses, another person calls them circular, etc. - how they are called are not very important. The important part is seeing a professional.

hamster-bamster · Jun 22, 2013, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme7

Yes I admit that at some point I felt like I was seriously important, but not anymore. that happened when I was bullied a lot and i thought that by exercising importance and being apathetic would help but no, i was wrong.

I am sorry the bullying happened to you.

Jun 22, 2013, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

I am sorry the bullying happened to you.

it's alright. I want to move on already. My reasoning does kind of lapse because I cannot organize my thoughts on this site. Should I write them out before I express them? LOL.

hamster-bamster · Jun 22, 2013, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme7

it's alright. I want to move on already. My reasoning does kind of lapse because I cannot organize my thoughts on this site. Should I write them out before I express them? LOL.

Maybe that, and diagramming would help, too. How one idea leads to the next, premise+premise tie together, conclusion gets formed, etc. Might help, indeed.

Jun 22, 2013, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

Maybe that, and diagramming would help, too. How one idea leads to the next, premise+premise tie together, conclusion gets formed, etc. Might help, indeed.

I'll bet. and even when i'm writing papers for someone, i feel like jumping from one topic to another. and if I don't know much about a topic, then i wont research it. instead i will try to BS my way out of it. Well, that has not been proven to achieve desired results.

adam_k · Jun 22, 2013, 01:12 AM

Back on the topic of masturbation. When do women call it quits? I mean you can have multiple orgasms so do you go until your hand gets tired? (or the batteries die?)

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