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Old Feb 28, 2014, 06:27 PM
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If the same point gets repeated so often, virtually unmodified, the obvious choice is to put that message in the signature.
Yeah because the same poster keeps starting the same thread. Think about it.

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Old Feb 28, 2014, 06:28 PM
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having said that, the desensitization issue I can tell you from experience does NOT make you unable to maintain an erection with a woman as expressed in this quote:
I can tell you it does.
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I can tell you it does.
I am interested in your personal experience if you care to share more.
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Old Feb 28, 2014, 06:53 PM
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Creatine Monohydrate also been linked to high DHT production.

OP my opinion, but you masturbate way too often. Try to limit it to no more then twice a week and ideally once a fortnight.
I disagree. Daily is fine and twice a day is not excessive.
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Old Feb 28, 2014, 07:08 PM
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ok, here goes. I know this is an old thread, but I have to add my two cents. I am 51 years old, and have been a chronic masturbater since the age of 4 or 5, hard to remember exactly when I got started. (blame my father) in the 40 some odd years since, I have been known to masturbate multiple times a day. yes sometimes once a day, but more typically 2 - 6 times a day some days as many as 8. since I got on meds for my various medical issues, this has slowed down to more like once or three times a day (at age 51). so if anyone had a problem here, it is ME not the OP.

having said that, the desensitization issue I can tell you from experience does NOT make you unable to maintain an erection with a woman as expressed in this quote:


regarding hair loss, I don't know. I started loosing my hair from male pattern baldness in my late 20's, and wearing a hard hat at work for 3 years didn't help the situation. now at 51 I have a palm sized bald spot, and somewhat thinner hair in general. but my head is still covered, and the thinning is not visually noticeable except for the bald spot.

here again, this is MY experiences we are talking about here. other people will necessarily have different ones.

regarding other issues and side effects I have experienced, as a very young child, yes my mother tried to make me feel bad about doing it whenever she caught me. so I learned how not to get caught. guilt? shame? a feeling of fooling everyone around me? nope, however a certain pleasure in indulging in something that was "wrong". that ended when I discovered a lot more people than just me succumbed to the pleasure. I was perhaps 7 or 8. after that I only had to hide it from public view. (washroom stall in school and later work, etcetera.)

so now fast forward to age 51. I no longer hide it at home, but I don't flaunt it in front of everyone either. I read somewhere that in males at the age of 50 their testosterone production cuts in half. I don't know if this is true or not, I only know that one day I had a first "go" with normal expulsion, and the second "go" a few hours later was like shooting blanks. first time that ever happened. it was like someone flipped a switch. it has been that way ever since. very little semen for my efforts. this was about late 2012 early 2013. spoke to my doc about it, and he mentioned nothing about production levels, and so I concede that my meds may be the culprit.

other than that the only things I have discovered as a result of my "over indulgence" is that while the desire to be with a woman is still as strong as it ever was, two different things enter the picture. first is the fact that you are used to providing your own relief, so "trying to get laid" becomes too much of a hassle. I mean Great if you can get it, but it becomes no big deal if you can't. (also if you get teased, you don't get blue balls, you take care of it.)

another issue I have discovered is when you are with a woman. on the one hand the desensitization issue can sometimes work in your favor allowing you to last longer, giving her more pleasure. on the other hand, in my late 40's I discovered that even though I still had the desire, and the erection to be with a woman it just wasn't the same anymore. this might be age related, but it may also be a side effect. so because it didn't feel as good as it used to I began to lose interest in the middle of coitus. understand this, I did not lose my erection, and still do not have much problem getting one, but I lost INTEREST right in the middle of intercourse. so after that point it was "keep going for her pleasure" because I wasn't going to orgasm. don't get me wrong, it still felt good it just didn't feel like it used to.

I don't know if the loosing interest is masturbation related, or if it is a mental thing, but I plan to bring it up in therapy if it lasts long enough.

so as a hard core chronic masturbater I give you my experiences for you to draw your own conclusions.
Strangeinthecorner - your report of losing interest but not the erection in the middle of the act is similar to what a friend of mine (he has bpII with the predominantly depressive phase) describes. He goes through the motions and ejaculates, but without any euphoria or joy whatsoever. In his case, the offending agent is Effexor, but, of course, people react diffferently to the same meds, so not everybody on Effexor suffers from anhedonic ejaculation. I don't know if your ejaculations are anhedonic, but it seems that the coitus turns anhedonic for you mid-act. Since you have masturbation going on since age 4 or 5, medications, the conditions for which said medications are prescribed, and getting older, there are four possible factors, or several acting in concert, behind your loss of interest mid-act. You need to draw a timeline, with the pdoc, and place those events on the timeline to try to figure out what the culprit is. Can I ask you if your ejaculations are joyous (you talked about the semen output, but not your sensations, unless I missed that part)? And, do the sensations that accompany your ejaculations differ with a lady partner from going solo?

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Old Feb 28, 2014, 07:51 PM
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haven't been with a lady in 7 years, as far as the sensations go, sometimes I ejaculate before orgasm, other times when orgasm is achieved. last experience with a woman I had, I had to let her orgasm, then I had to finish by hand.

and as an aside, to Lycanthrope, I was talking about my own personal experience. I have not experienced what he claimed he did.
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Old Feb 28, 2014, 09:02 PM
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Thanks for the replies, guys, I'll be sure to reply soon, I'm a little busy now. and I managed to control myself for the first time in MONTHS.
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Old Mar 01, 2014, 04:41 AM
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*I read through your whole post *
Thank you for sharing the post.

I guess I'll have to share more how about I feel.

I don't seem to be interested in real sex, at all.

I have no idea why I feel guilt or shame, I wouldn't look down on anyone else if they admitted they pleasure themselves. It's the reputation I've developed, and the image I have to the people that know me. They all know me as a i nice, innocent guy, and my fantasies can be far from innocent. That's where my guilt starts, I feel like I'm hiding a horrible secret, even though I know it's not horrible. I fantasize about gay stuff, and I used to feel horrible about it, BEFORE, not these days, I realize I can't help it, I'm ok with it myself, but i wonder how people around me would feel about me if they knew. Why do they even need to know? but then I worry about these things like they should.

I don't want to stop pleasuring myself, but I just want to do it less often, you see, if I don't show up at work or college or an appointment or whatever, because I masturbated, It's simply not a good enough reason. I must also say, I feel unclean after I do, and I refuse to do anything else until I take a shower.
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Old Mar 01, 2014, 06:30 AM
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I am interested in your personal experience if you care to share more.
I have had similar issues to the OP. Excessive masturbation is really really bad for a man. I'm not going on about for religious or moral reasons, that stuff is irrelevant. It drains you of energy, you're constantly tired and just want to sleep. Can be responsible for anxiety or depression, you have little to no interest in the opposite sex other then perhaps through porn which is used as another outlet for the masturbation habit. Death grip ( where you grip the penis too hard) means you lose sensitivity and so real sex becomes boring and not interesting.

When a man masturbates too much, he'll have massive dark circles under his eyes. That's something to do with too much affects the kidneys and I know this because when I quit those dark circles under my eyes want away. It had nothing to do with sleep because I need less sleep when I go through periods of abstainence.
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Old Mar 01, 2014, 07:26 AM
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I have had similar issues to the OP. Excessive masturbation is really really bad for a man. I'm not going on about for religious or moral reasons, that stuff is irrelevant. It drains you of energy, you're constantly tired and just want to sleep. Can be responsible for anxiety or depression, you have little to no interest in the opposite sex other then perhaps through porn which is used as another outlet for the masturbation habit. Death grip ( where you grip the penis too hard) means you lose sensitivity and so real sex becomes boring and not interesting.

When a man masturbates too much, he'll have massive dark circles under his eyes. That's something to do with too much affects the kidneys and I know this because when I quit those dark circles under my eyes want away. It had nothing to do with sleep because I need less sleep when I go through periods of abstainence.
I can relate to some of this. It does drain me out, and makes me quite quite anxious. Although I don't 'death grip', thankfully. The dark circles thing too, I'm not sure about studies, but I feel like you're right, based on my personal experience.
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Old Mar 01, 2014, 12:47 PM
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I've had the entirely opposite experience there...helps me sleep. And without delving too much into my nightly routine for the past 6 years, I've yet to once feel like things were...losing the magic touch, so to speak. Still works just fine to boot!

So...differing opinions, I suppose, but I've yet to see any ill effects whatsoever.
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Thank you for sharing the post.

I guess I'll have to share more how about I feel.

I don't seem to be interested in real sex, at all.

I have no idea why I feel guilt or shame, I wouldn't look down on anyone else if they admitted they pleasure themselves. It's the reputation I've developed, and the image I have to the people that know me. They all know me as a i nice, innocent guy, and my fantasies can be far from innocent. That's where my guilt starts, I feel like I'm hiding a horrible secret, even though I know it's not horrible. I fantasize about gay stuff, and I used to feel horrible about it, BEFORE, not these days, I realize I can't help it, I'm ok with it myself, but i wonder how people around me would feel about me if they knew. Why do they even need to know? but then I worry about these things like they should.

I don't want to stop pleasuring myself, but I just want to do it less often, you see, if I don't show up at work or college or an appointment or whatever, because I masturbated, It's simply not a good enough reason. I must also say, I feel unclean after I do, and I refuse to do anything else until I take a shower.
All I have to say is, once again, NO GUILT....People fantasize about all sorts of stuff even if the have a desire to live it out or not.

AND....I have been taught--get your chores out of the way before you have fun. ... But that's just my own personal work ethic...
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Old Mar 01, 2014, 01:40 PM
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I've had the entirely opposite experience there...helps me sleep. .
Yeah... the old adage of you-know-what-thank you, ma'am, and the stereotype of a man who starts snoring immediately after his orgasm and can't be bothered... must be based on something, physiologically speaking.

Homeopathy can't possibly work because the dilution process results in a "remedy" without even a trace of any substance that is purportedly beneficial. But people swear by its success, because the placebo effect is very real. I am thinking that there might be the reverse of the placebo effect at play here - if a man believes that masturbation will depletebhim of energy, the man will feel exhausted.

OP - you seem to have a problem with boundaries, in that there is no clear demarcation line encircling your private world. Do you think that others are entitled to know the password to your banking account? Same concept.

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I too have never had the "dark circle under the eyes" effect. and yes for me after a good session I do find it easier to sleep. when I was young 5 - 10 yrs old, I often could not go to sleep unless I had a go at bedtime. I was never constantly tired as a result of my habit, though in my older years 40's + I don't seem to have as much energy as other folks I see. that could be due to health issues, age, or my addiction. I do know that when I skip a few days (happens sometimes) that I don't seem any more tired/energetic, or really any difference at all. and I too have never had the "death Grip", in fact if I want something different I will use lube. but that is a rare thing.
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Masturbation will make you sleep like a baby. The problem was staying awake not sleeping. When I go long periods without it I need much less sleep.
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personally, never had much issue staying awake either, last night was the first real sleep I had in 6 days.
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why me? what did I do to deserve being treated this way? and for 54 years yet!



The guy who seemed unbreakable BROKE,
the guy who always laughed STOPPED,
the guy who never stopped trying finally GAVE UP,
he dropped the fake smile as a tear rolled down his cheek and he whispered "i cant do this anymore"
then collapsed and gave up the ghost.
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I guess we just have different experiences.
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The guy who seemed unbreakable BROKE,
the guy who always laughed STOPPED,
the guy who never stopped trying finally GAVE UP,
he dropped the fake smile as a tear rolled down his cheek and he whispered "i cant do this anymore"
then collapsed and gave up the ghost.
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I guess we just have different experiences.
I guess so.
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Masturbation will make you sleep like a baby. The problem was staying awake not sleeping. When I go long periods without it I need much less sleep.
But you need sleep, so that is a good thing.
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I disagree. Daily is fine and twice a day is not excessive.
Exactly and that's about what I do, and after nearly 10 years of doing it at that rate absolutely nothing bad has happened to me.
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But you need sleep, so that is a good thing.
Feeling tired all day and not being able to concentrate on anything isn't a good thing.
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I'd say night is the best time for me, after I'm done masturbating, I goto sleep, and get good sleep, and then wake up early, have a shower, eat something. I feel confident about the rest of the day.

but when I masturbate in the morning, it's not the same for me, maybe it's just psychological, but I keep wishing for the day to end quickly.
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I'd say night is the best time for me, after I'm done masturbating, I goto sleep, and get good sleep, and then wake up early, have a shower, eat something. I feel confident about the rest of the day.

but when I masturbate in the morning, it's not the same for me, maybe it's just psychological, but I keep wishing for the day to end quickly.
It may be psychological in that you have formed an expectation of being a task master in the morning, but not at night.

But can you simply not masturbate in the morning but only before sleep?
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It may be psychological in that you have formed an expectation of being a task master in the morning, but not at night.

But can you simply not masturbate in the morning but only before sleep?
From 3 AM to 7 AM when it's cold, is when I'm most hyper. I control it most of the time, but it's hard.
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From 3 AM to 7 AM when it's cold, is when I'm most hyper. I control it most of the time, but it's hard.
There have been times where I have masturbated in order to help me go to sleep (but I can only remember a few times when that was the case and can't even remember the last time I did that).
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