biiv.........me too.......i never, ever meant that those forums would be exclusive...........and i do not believe that i could have said anything to cause people to believe that.....if i did, i didn't mean to.

some wise poster even said that they were very supportive of the possibility of having the new forums as she felt she could learn from them........bravo for her! that's my aim.....

as for as having a male only and a female only.......i have female parts that i am not going to discuss with the men here. if they read what i write.....so be it......but i will not discuss personal physical issues with them.......what is the big deal about not being able to understand how simple this is??????????

Doc just got through explaining it on the male forum.......... and he is very clear about the two forums.........thanks, pat

p.s. i understand that sometimes it's just too difficult to not question everything.......AND then there is the time to lighten up and let it goooooooooooooooo. and it takes wisdom to know which place you're at.......

pilatus........i don't like that idea at all. i'd rather openly discuss my problems about race.

fellow posters, i PMed Doc about this when the idea for the bi/gay/bi-racial forums hit me........the second i realized that people felt it was a good idea, i ran with it........

could we all breathe and let it get worked out? thanks a bunch, pattynotevenclosetonormalnow

p.s. it was mentioned that a lesbian wouldn't HAVE to have a lesbian to talk to but the comfort zone is there........could we dwell on comfort for awhile? i've suffered for years with the bi-racial issues and i sure could use some comfort from another bi-racial poster..........

[Zen888]

Hi Fayerody

I'm sorry if I offended you or angered you in anyway by my suggestion/comment....it was just an idea....nothing more......not intended to hurt anyone's feelings.

So...I guess DocJon has settled the issue of this particular thread.....men & women forums are separate and to bring other issues to the relationship forum.

Again......Fayerody & others.......I sincerely apologize if I have offended you in anyway.

[Rhapsody]

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the million dollar question (that I was trying to get people thinking about) is:

what is a woman??????????????????

i'm really not just trying to be difficult.

one of my alters (or part of me) has a male gender identity.
a comprimise for me is 'the ideal of androgyny'.
seems that that part can't post to the male board (because chromosomes are lacking and yes, he (i) am very aware that he (we) don't have a penis). but also seems that that part can't post to the female board (because having a gender identity that diverges from chromosomes and phenotype means i don't count as male or as female according to your criteria).

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actually, I'm glad that you brought this up, Alexandra. I don't think that's what DocJohn concluded, but you raise a good point.

If there are any members with gender identity issues, I would be happy to help figure out a solution for them. Please PM me and be assured of my confidentiality.

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My personal solution (being DID myself) would be for your MALE ALTER to post in the MEN'S FORUM (when and if he does come out) .... and please keep in mind that when HE is present HE would not come here to post a thread for this is labeled the WOMEN'S FORUM - and HE being a male alter HE would not know that HE is physically really a female, body and all - HE would see himself as a MALE, therefore, possibly post where other MALES go to post to each other.

LoVe,
Rhapsody - ((( hugs ))) for you both.

P.S.

I feel DocJohn's reply was meant just as it was written.... for the people that come here as who they physically are MALE or FEMALE.

Individual cases beyond that should be taken to Admin / Mods for further consideration and/ or HELP.
... no debate or anger needed, we accept all - and all have a spot here on PC.

pilatus, i wasn't angry. i just don't want to hide my feelings any longer about the difficulties that i experience about race.......love, pat

[nothemama8]

I 'm not bi-racial I'm heinz 57 and proud of it, as long as you have that pride use it IMHO

i would like to apologize to our gentlemen in the men's forum for the inappropriate posting by a woman in their forum.......i found it disrespectful.....

angie, in my work in photography, i really do have a lot of trouble with people assuming things about my race and some of it is very, very hurtful..........otherwise, i am heinz57 too.......

[Raynaadi]

Hey ladies, I just wanted to post a reminder of what the original intention of this thread was:

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Should the men in Psych Central have a thread in the Womyn's Forum to ask questions regarding womyn? It would be one constant thread.

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DocJohn has already given us a final answer on it. Maybe it would do well to start a new thread about issus not pertaining to this topic.

Thanks,

Rayna

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i would like to apologize to our gentlemen in the men's forum for the inappropriate posting by a woman in their forum.......i found it disrespectful.....

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I would like to say that I find it to be condescending and inappropriate that you should see fit to apologise on behalf of woman kind for what you judge to be my 'inappropriate' and 'disrespectful' action.

Firstly because I made it clear I was posting on the men's forum because part of me has male gender identity.

Secondly because to call my action 'inappropriate' is dismissive, and invalidating of how I experience my gender. It is also assuming that I have malevolent (disrespectful) intent instead of giving me the benefit of the doubt (which is customary).

Thirdly because I am not you or your dependent child for it to be your place to apologise for my actions.

Please refrain from judging me and apologising on my behalf.

Thanks.

i would not have posted the apology if i thought you were not being disrespectful but you were......and using the part of you that has male gender identity to try to make it ok is absurd......

[LMo]

Butterflylady, I don't think that's fair. It's not our place to judge. Alexandra gave her reason, and while it probably wasn't the most effective way of achieving the result she was hoping for, she does have a point and I respect that.

We need to give members the benefit of the doubt. Please keep replies supportive in this thread.

fair or not it was the truth.......

[LMo]

let's take this offline, ok?

[DocJohn]

And with that, and with this discussion over in terms of the question being settled (and a new sexuality and gender identity forum created), I'm going to close this thread. Thank you for all of your feedback and input, everyone!

DocJohn