hunger pangs

There is a limit, but it is fairly high. Google hyponatremia.

Oh my god. I would die if I couldn't eat that long! I'd be drinking tons of broth too. Good luck!

Jello is your friend during that time too. It just can't have red dye in it. Normally I think it's pretty gross but I ate a lot of it before my colonoscopy.

Noted. The GI physician assistant recommended jello, too (but did not warn me about red dye).

And noted about low sodium. I typically buy and cook with low sodium chicken broth, but for this I will buy regular to get more sodium. Will also drink water with electrolytes.

I must say that I feel very lucky that my hunger pangs went away.

During this time, my endocrinologist increased my Levoxyl. My TSH results have not changed yet, though. So I do not know if the disappearance of hunger pangs resulted as a beneficial effect of my taking more Levoxyl.

But @raspberrytorte, it is worth getting your thyroid function checked.

@BeyondtheRainbow and unaluna: I am going to have a trial run of being on a liquid diet. Will start with half a day. Broth (not low sodium) and jello except for the one dyed red. Plus cranberry tea and black tea. Let us see how long I can go. I want to reassure myself that it is possible so that I would not get all anxious the day before the procedure.

I know it has to be unpleasant but I honestly don't remember the liquid diet part of the experience at all so it must not have been as bad as it sounds. (?) I remember my mom making jello for me and finding bone broth on its' own disgusting but not much else. Hopefully that is good news.

Which kind of cleanse do you have to do? The jug of stuff or Gatorade?

The jug of stuff that my mail order pharmacy sent to me.

I have never had bone broth. I was thinking of regular broth which I do like drinking.

I am going to go to Safeway now and buy a variety of jello to see which ones I like. As a child, I actually knew how to make jello myself (like your mom), but I have not practiced in decades. Let me start with store-bought options.

Yeah, I know how to make Jello but somehow mine always turns out grainy. I don't understand it.

Bone broth is kind of thick. I much prefer regular broths. I'm sure I tried to fill up on "fake soup".

The stuff in the jug doesn't taste the greatest. An NP in my GI's office told me to add Crystal Light tea (no red dyes again) to it and it did help. I dumped the whole box of packets in there. Ask first of course but it really helped me. My prep was a bit odd because they were freaking out about my MAOI and anesthesia. I've had generals several times on it but for some reason this freaked them out. So they prepped me to be put under (which didn't happen). I had to drink the whole thing in 1 dose instead of divided. Which has benefits and problems.

My PA at the GI's office warned me that the prep would taste awful but did not tell me about Crystal Light tea. I will ask her! She said I can drink the stuff little by little and not all at once, probably because this is a regular case without complications.

Good luck with your liquid diet @Tart Cherry Jam!

I had my thyroid checked in August and everything was fine. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have it checked again.

I cannot believe it. Today I had no breakfast, two whole milk lattes for lunch, and a large meal at Sajj for dinner: chicken kebab with hummus, arugula, red cabbage and other veg. And I ate dinner several hours before bedtime. And I am not hungry. I was not hungry at all all day long.

I wish this were the new normal, but I am concerned that this is just my being amped up and escalating into hypomania as a result of sleeping just 5 hrs 40 minutes last night. Or maybe this being too happy and go go go is a side effect of Benzonatate, my new cough medicine. I have read that it can affect the mood and even cause hallucinations. I only took it this morning. I did not take it at midday because I was not home and I am not taking it now because I do not want further escalation.

Instead of Seroquel I will take Lybalvi for sleep. Lybalvi is usually very effective in nipping any hypomania in the bud.

It is hard to treat cough when you are bipolar!!

So it turned out that the cough medicine was not to blame. I simply took Dexedrine (amphetamine) in the wee hours of the morning due to a mix-up. I meant to take Levoxyl. Both medicine bottles were in the same plastic box. I have since removed Dexedrine. I do not plan to take it anymore.

But I am still having a pretty low appetite and my weight has "fluctuated down" a bit . I prefer not to be overly optimistic about it.

I went to Safeway. They had prepared jello in those tiny containers, a 4-pack having 2 orange and 2 red. I bought it thinking that maybe I would be able to use the orange one. I tried both and did not like them.

I also bought mixes in all colors other than red. I have just made and chilled the green jello. It is seriously tasty!!

And making it was super easy. So at least in that sense I am prepared: I will buy the green mix and mix and chill enough to have a virtually unlimited supply for the day before and day of the procedure. My procedure will be at 5PM.

Ugh! My hunger levels are OUT OF CONTROL. I just ate four bananas and two mandarins and finally feel full!! This is ridiculous! Dr. K and I need to do something about this, adjust my topamax or metformin levels, put me on wellbutrin, SOMETHING. Dr. Amy (she's my GP) are going to have a weight chat next Wednesday because I'm ****ing OBEEEEESE by one point (I'm 31 according to the BMI) and see if we can put me on Contrave.

SOMETHING must be done about this hunger!!!! I shouldn't have to eat four bananas and two mandarins in order to feel full. I am FREAKING OUT.

Wait... 4 bananas is a glycemic control disaster. 2 mandarins is OK, but now 4 bananas. Where is the protein? where is the fat?

I know CGMs themselves are expensive, but you can get helpful free info by subscribing to updates from CGM companies. I am subscribed to Levels and Nutrisense. Say, I learned to either pair oatmeal with an omelette or substitute oatmeal with seeds cooked in almond milk from the information I received. They provide their tips based on statistical data they gather from their users who wear CGMs. It is not personalized to YOU, but it is still useful.

So today, and it is now 4:40 PM, I have had 3 lattes (24 oz of Fairlife brand whole milk, 39 g protein in total) and nothing else. I am only now starting to get mildly hungry. I am also a bit revved up. Cannot complain as it makes me productive, but I wonder if this is hypomania starting.

And what a change since just a short while ago when I opened this thread.

I don't know. I go banana CRAZED 🤪. It's worse than chocolate. That's why we never have bananas in the house!!!! Thankfully now I'm quite full and haven't eaten anything since.

I cant have bananas in the house either.

I use to let bananas overripen, then split them into pieces, freeze those pieces on a sheet of foil, collect into a freezer bag, and use a few chunks per smoothie. Overripe frozen bananas give smoothies wonderful consistency.

Then I read that overripe bananas, but not underripe bananas, cause glucose spikes, and so I stopped. But it also saves me effort.

I have made jello from a lemon flavor gelatin mix. It is delicious! Something to look forward to on my day of prepping for colonoscopy.

I know now what was causing it: Zyprexa (or Lybalvi) did and Seroquel did, too. I was deluding myself thinking that a low dose of Seroquel was innocuous. It was not.

I am now back on Lybalvi with added Naltrexone which might help attenuate the hunger side effect.

Lybalvi/Zyprexa is far better than Seroquel in other departments, so with it, at least I know that nighttime hunger is the price I am paying for something valuable: say, I do not need naps, whereas on Seroquel I regularly needed naps.

Thank you for following up with the answer!

I've never been much of a dieter. I could increase my physical activity to lose weight. I had lost 38lbs until I tore my meniscus which I used as an excuse to reduce my exercise and leave my diet. Then I broke my neck and became completely distracted. But I do think I learned something from avoiding carbohydrates. So I stopped eating white stuff and sweets. No candy, pie, cake. No potatoes, pizza, rice, bread, cereal. Sounds difficult but it wasn't. I do love all that stuff, but for some reason I didn't miss it and I will tell you why I think that was.
Without the sugar and starchy stuff which is converted to sugar, my blood glucose levels weren't spiking. I believe the hunger you feel for your next meal is due to the fall of your glucose level from the previous meal. I would wake up and do a shot of apple cider vinegar in a glass of fiber,

and skip breakfast and lunch without hunger until early afternoon. Coupled with 10 miles a day on the stationary bike and I was losing weight noticeably without any suffering. I would have a chicken breast and two veggies for dinner. Asparagus, broccoli, lima beans, green beans or brussel sprouts. For a change I would have salmon cakes. If it's white, don't bite!
There is a simple cure for hunger pangs. My cousin died of cancer around 2000. In 2020 his oldest son was diagnosed with stomach cancer. In 2008, a Geneticist from NZ discovered a single gene responsible for a lot of diffuse gastric stomach cancer. Turns out the son had the gene. Investigation revealed he got it from his father. His father from his father. The cousin's brother and one of his daughters had the gene.
They also discovered DGSC in her. Stage 4. She died in her early 30s. Cousin and several family on that side had their stomachs removed as a prophylactic measure. They eat by the clock. No more hunger.

My blood glucose fluctstued within normal bounds (I wear a continuous glucose monitor and use an app called Levels which displays my blood glucose in real time and analyzes how it reacts to food I take and workouts) and I still had hunger pangs and nighttime hunger. It wasn't a reaction to abnormal glucose levels.

I do not subscribe to "if it's white, don't bite," although I appreciate the rhyming expression. Infrequently, I eat dessert and this way, I do not feel deprived and my nearly perfect diet for the rest of the time feels effortless. I eve

I also do not take apple cider vinegar by mouth because the acidity in it can damage tooth enamel over time. I use a supplement instead to prevent glucose spikes after eating high carb meals, either those I eat as a treat (white pasta with cheese as a treat or fresh squeezed juice as a treat) or those that happen to raise glucose even though they are otherwise healthy (mango, grapes, watermelon). Even without the supplement, I never had glucose at or beyond 180 at all, and according to my dietitian, the ideal is to not have 180 or beyond for more than 2 hours, so I did not have levels that high at all, but I had 160 on occasion. So with the supplement, taken 1 minutes before the high carb meals, there are no more spikes, and I have not seen 140 as postprandial glucose ever since I started on the supplement a month ago. It is expensive and that is its disadvantage versus apple cider vinegar, but it doesn't harm tooth enamel, which is its big plus. For people preferring the cheaper way with apple cider vinegar, there are capsules with it which you swallow, thereby now allowing excessive acidity in your mouth. I have not looked into them, but I am sure they are much cheaper than the targeted anti spike supplement I take, which comes from Glucose Goddess (thank you UNALUNA for introducing me to Glucose Goddess). I was very skeptical when I bought the supplement to try and did not believe I would repurchase it beyond the initial quantity, but the data in Levels app was beyond convincing.

What stopped my hunger pangs was a change in medication, though. I thought I was clear when opening the thread that the hunger was abnormal and not due to insufficiently tweaked diet.

@forestx5 no there isn't and my original post reported hunger pangs after drinking a protein shake. While your post is valuable in itself, starting a separate thread to share your experiences and thoughts would have been more appropriate than using my thread. This was especially so given that I had already essentially closed the thread by reporting that the culprit of hunger pangs had been found - Seroquel, and Square Peg Guy had already responded to that post. This thread is not about eating simple carbohydrates and having crashes afterwards but about a very painful experience of having hunger pangs despite a nearly perfect diet replete with high quality protein, a variety of probiotics and fermented foods, etc., and with meals predominantly cooked at home from scratch.

I do not know if you have ever attended mental health support groups and quite possibly you have not. One of the most valuable skills such groups teach has to do with giving advice. One has to be very careful with giving advice. In your case, and again I acknowledge that you must have meant well, your statement essentially trivialized and almost ridiculed the problem that for several years was the bane of my existence.