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Old Dec 09, 2012, 03:17 AM
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I know someone else has posted about this before and I have heard it often but it did not really sink in until I read this article--I did not agree with everything in it but I could relate to much of it. I have always had trouble expressing anger towards others including my family. I am sure that has played a part in my depression. Just understanding more about this has already helped me. Hope this will help someone else--

http://www.psychologicalselfhelp.org.../chap6_44.html
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Old Dec 09, 2012, 03:23 AM
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Old Dec 09, 2012, 03:40 AM
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Depression is my response to profound frustration.
I used to think I would lose friends or loved ones if I told them how I really felt but in the end I was the loser anyways..for myself I wouldn't mind if someone told me they were frustrated with me..I would appreciate the communication but I guess that might not work with everyone..
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Old Dec 09, 2012, 08:49 AM
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Probably different for different people, but when I'm depressed I don't have the mental reserves to deal with frustration. Everything gets acutely frustrating whether it is a person that doesn't understand what I'm saying or a small project I'm doing that keeps going wrong. When I'm not depressed my brain is not tired to the bone and can handle bumps in the road.

When I'm depressed I get very frustrated and that turns to anger. So my depression is not anger turned inwards. I'm normally not especially angry. But when I am depressed I get angry easily. If my depression was really hidden anger, it would still be hid through depression. Instead it is when I'm angry the most.
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I think the statement is partly true and might appy to situational depression but not
the chemical depression that so many of us including me experience!
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Old Dec 09, 2012, 09:26 AM
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i really don't like this theory.

sometimes you get depressed for no reason at all, so it does not make sense
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The anger-turned inward theory may be true for some people. For me, I've always believed it was an accumulation of relentless contributing factors that started when I was around 10, factors which multiplied and accelerated from that point on. It was then that my family made a far geographical move and began its dysfunction. With the move came some losses, of relationships, and feelings of safety, love, and more. Later there was abuse. It all changed the way I thought and how I related to the world; I previously had functioned pretty healthily.

So I guess I would say my depression began from loss and chronic stress. There were times I felt plenty of anger, of course.
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I personally think it depends on the person--it would certainly make sense in my case.
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Old Dec 09, 2012, 12:39 PM
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i really don't like this theory.

sometimes you get depressed for no reason at all, so it does not make sense
That generally happens when your subconscious is rehashing something negative that has happened.

I know it played a large part in my depression. For me it was often manifested as jokes against myself, or simple things like reinforcing mistakes that would imply I was stupid, etc. It was often something that seemed so innocent that would undermined myself and made me feel tired which left more vulnerable.
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I know someone else has posted about this before and I have heard it often but it did not really sink in until I read this article--I did not agree with everything in it but I could relate to much of it. I have always had trouble expressing anger towards others including my family. I am sure that has played a part in my depression. Just understanding more about this has already helped me. Hope this will help someone else--

http://www.psychologicalselfhelp.org.../chap6_44.html
Even the title of your thread is DEEP. I don't even have to read on. That's the beginning of a poem or a journal entry to me. Hugs! I totally agree though, with the thread title, that is.
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Old Dec 09, 2012, 10:01 PM
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I don't relate to the word anger, the word anger, and the phrase "anger turned inward" would mean something completely different than how I feel.

But the story I relate to despite that.

"Anger turned inward" describes my boyfriend's depression.
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Old Dec 09, 2012, 10:11 PM
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Exactly, I suffer from depression as well. I supress my anger so much that it turns into depression because I don't express how I feel when I need to.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 12:03 AM
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I hear and respect all your opinions. I know everyone's experience is different. I am just trying to figure myself out as my depression is situational and all my problems are interconnected. I just found some of the theories in the link very interesting. I am holding on to the hope that the answer is within me (us). It's been hard work and I tend to get discouraged and give up but I don't want to give up, I can't...
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 12:04 AM
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That generally happens when your subconscious is rehashing something negative that has happened.
Also not me. My subconscious doesn't need to do a thing. When I feel bad about myself I know it and what I think is very much conscious. It would be nice having this subconscious everyone talks about but my mind is very transparent...
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 12:15 AM
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When I feel bad about myself I know it
but don't you wonder why you feel bad about yourself? for me I have had to go back to the source of my issues to try to understand me.
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I personally think it depends on the person--it would certainly make sense in my case.
I agree it depends on the person. In this case, it apply's to me.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 06:03 AM
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but don't you wonder why you feel bad about yourself? for me I have had to go back to the source of my issues to try to understand me.
No, I pretty much know why.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:13 PM
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Im a firm believer that mental illness is anger REPRESSED.

A lady cured her schizophrenia and depression permanantly by redirecting her anger. She created a self therapy system that you can find here.
http://www.redirectingselftherapy.com/

I have been using it and it helps! I hope it will help someone else here.
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 04:30 PM
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Also not me. My subconscious doesn't need to do a thing. When I feel bad about myself I know it and what I think is very much conscious. It would be nice having this subconscious everyone talks about but my mind is very transparent...

It may be your medications as this is largely what they do, keep you in different parts of your own mind with chemicals. It's often in a conscious state as to help avoid the chaos of the subconscious.

Honestly it sounds like you do, you are just fluid between them so it appears as one. The subconscious is your dreams and emotions. The conscious mind focuses on your senses like touch, hearing, sight and sounds, analytical thought (math), etc. Focusing on one will draw you away from the other. The lower brain focuses on breathing, body temperature, EM field, etc. There are other layers of the mind as well, understanding these will aid in learning and controlling yourself.
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Exactly, I suffer from depression as well. I supress my anger so much that it turns into depression because I don't express how I feel when I need to.
I'm sorry duh! I meant to say repress instead of supress. I hope ya'll got what I meant.
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 09:56 PM
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It may be your medications as this is largely what they do, keep you in different parts of your own mind with chemicals. It's often in a conscious state as to help avoid the chaos of the subconscious.
I'm of the total opposite belief here. If something is ever done by me "without thinking" it comes out nice, organized and splendid. My "subconscious" is a place where thoughts get organized and well put together with no conscious effort. It certainly is not a place of chaos.

That is why I wish I had more of it. A lot is just in the open. In a way that is nice too. I can't hide things from myself and pretend. But at the same time my conscious is not very smooth running.

No it's not meds, always been like this. At least down to age 11 month about.. I can't remember much before that.
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I'm of the total opposite belief here. If something is ever done by me "without thinking" it comes out nice, organized and splendid. My "subconscious" is a place where thoughts get organized and well put together with no conscious effort. It certainly is not a place of chaos.

That is why I wish I had more of it. A lot is just in the open. In a way that is nice too. I can't hide things from myself and pretend. But at the same time my conscious is not very smooth running.

No it's not meds, always been like this. At least down to age 11 month about.. I can't remember much before that.
I apologize for my assertions, it was overly ambiguous of me.

As, for most people I know when they dream "subconsciously" taking a flight on an airplane they might end up on the beach at a sea side resort watching the waves crash off the coast while sitting in their airline seat, this is the chaos of the subconscious mind I was referring too, as these images can create emotions. However, I suppose you are right we are all different and we all need to find what works best for us.
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