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Old Feb 21, 2014, 03:49 AM
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So I am posting like crazy because I have nothing to do and it helps me.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 03:53 AM
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 04:38 AM
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Sorry to hear that. I am having trouble sleeping tonight too and I gotta work in the morning
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 05:36 AM
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-Hugs- I know how you feel. I have the same problem.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 09:23 AM
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That lack of a good circadian rhythm is extremely disruptive. Is it frequent with you? I've struggled with that all my life since childhood.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 06:50 PM
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I believe it is actually the meds that cause it. Effexor which I have taken the most has always messed up my sleep but I adapt to it and it is ok. SSRI's are known to cause it. Right now I think it is because I started taking Lamictal. The problem started as soon as I started taking it, was getting better until I upped dose to 100mg which is where pdoc was getting me up to. I felt horrible all day today because of it.
The past is really hard to say because I drank and drugged so much and never had trouble with sleep. Slept like a baby my whole life. But I got clean and sober and started taking meds for depression at exactly the same time. So it is hard to say. I do know depression causes circadian rythyms to get messed up. When I am in a severe depression I sleep all day and stay up watching tv most of the night. It slowly gets turned around backassward.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 06:54 PM
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I believe it is actually the meds that cause it. Effexor which I have taken the most has always messed up my sleep but I adapt to it and it is ok. SSRI's are known to cause it. Right now I think it is because I started taking Lamictal. The problem started as soon as I started taking it, was getting better until I upped dose to 100mg which is where pdoc was getting me up to. I felt horrible all day today because of it.
The past is really hard to say because I drank and drugged so much and never had trouble with sleep. Slept like a baby my whole life. But I got clean and sober and started taking meds for depression at exactly the same time. So it is hard to say. I do know depression causes circadian rythyms to get messed up. When I am in a severe depression I sleep all day and stay up watching tv most of the night. It slowly gets turned around backassward.
Meds cause troubled sleep? Huh... I'm not even on meds and my sleep patterns have been messed up for quite a while. Maybe it's a good thing that my doctor doesn't want to medicate me. I don't know though. Argh... Confusion.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 06:55 PM
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 07:09 PM
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Meds cause troubled sleep? Huh... I'm not even on meds and my sleep patterns have been messed up for quite a while. Maybe it's a good thing that my doctor doesn't want to medicate me. I don't know though. Argh... Confusion.
Don't get me wrong depression causes messed up sleep for sure. It has for me alot. Just currently I think it is a med issue. Whether it is the depression causing it or meds they will usually give you another med to try to get back to normal. Like trazadone or ambien.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 07:28 PM
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Hi zinco. In the past, when I took Remeron, I found it was pretty good at helping me get to sleep. (Like I'ld take it 3 hours before I wanted to conk off.) Only thing is that it gave me vivid dreams. So I went back on Elavil (amitriptyline) which seems to effect me similar to the Remeron, and it's cheaper. Elavil does help a lot with my trouble sleeping, but I have to take it about 3 hours before bedtime, so it kicks in.

Lamictal did absolutely nothing for me. They kept telling me, "It's a subtle effect." Well, it was so subtle, I wouldn't know I was on it, so I dropped it.
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 08:11 PM
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I do take a Remeron at night and it had helped big time. Only last three or four hours though. I can still get to sleep but I wake up a lot and don't get the right type of sleep.

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Major Depressive Disorder
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Recovering Alcoholic and Addict
Possibly on low end of bi polar spectrum...trying to decide.

Male, 50

Fetzima 80mg
Lamictal 100mg
Remeron 30mg for sleep
Klonopin .5mg twice a day, cutting this back
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Old Feb 21, 2014, 08:11 PM
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I have been waking up every night from 3am until 5 am for over a month. So I totally relate. I'm on lamotrigine too, but I don't think it's causing it because I've been on it for ages. I think it's Straterra that keeps me up. So hard to stay on all these meds! I hope you have a better sleep tonight.
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Old Feb 22, 2014, 06:54 AM
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Slept better last night. Up at 5:30 am posting on here. lamotrigine is not known to cause insomnia but it is in me for sure. maybe i am adjusting to it slowly.
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Old Feb 23, 2014, 07:18 AM
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Sleeping gets a little better each night. Still not getting enough of the deep deep sleep we really need. And the dreaming is crazy and hard to explain. Not getting enough of that deep sleep effects my whole day.
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Old Feb 23, 2014, 08:06 AM
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I'm on generic Venlafaxine (Effexor) it definitely afects my sleep. When I do sleep I get vivid dreams, other times unless I completely shut off the outside world, no cell phone, no laptop, no TV, no radio, no books etc. I just stay wide awake doing whatever I'm doing. Then in the daytime when I'm at work I'll just fall asleep at my desk and my head will drop forward and hit the desk. I also have to be really careful about driving because of that.

I've been on a few a/ds and some had no effect on sleep at all , trouble is they're the ones that poop out. Some made me sleep 23 hours a day for weeks on end. So Venlafaxine is somewhere in the middle.
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Old Feb 23, 2014, 08:59 AM
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I have taken venlafaxine more than any other. It definitely has effected my sleep. And dreaming. I love the dreaming. The problem I don't get enough of that real deep sleep that we need so much. I would have to nap every afternoon to catch up after work. Eventually I would adapt and it would get better.

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Old Feb 25, 2014, 07:45 PM
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zinco - glad to hear you're sleeping better.
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 06:35 AM
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I'm on Ambien, and now I realize it is not working as effectively as it used to and I am awake now at 3AM most mornings unable to return to sleep. Is there a better sleep medication out there that anyone knows of ?
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Old Feb 26, 2014, 07:04 AM
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I dunno. They gave me ambien once and I had to take three for them to work. I was having horrible anxiety at the time though that could have ate through any drug. a couple of months ago they gave me Lunesta but it didn't do a thing for me. It is like ambien. It was expensive too.

I believe they do have extended release ambien for what is happening to you. It releases half later in the night to keep you asleep. What other meds are you on?
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Old Feb 28, 2014, 10:26 AM
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Back to the interupted sleep at night. Last night I woke up every half hour and had bad dreams. Wake up with anxiety. I did increase my effexor at the same time I started Lamictal so it could be the effexor causing it. It always has messed up my sleep in the past but I adapt to it.
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Fetzima 80mg
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Remeron 30mg for sleep
Klonopin .5mg twice a day, cutting this back
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Old Feb 28, 2014, 02:18 PM
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Ive been up all night and to be honest at first I like it. I'm less depressed when I dont sleep at all and I think this has gotten me into a sinking spiral.
Back when I was on all the pain pills and sleep meds I did sleep every night and I lost weight with no dieting. But I was depressed and iritatable, was it the meds, the pain or the sleeping? I dont know, I just know that at first I feel better, then as exhaustion sets in I'm not able to physically do much because of the pain that creeps up by back. But if I try to sleep and only get a bit of sleep I wake up so down I dont want to get up, I hate going to sleep. As I get older I just can't last as long as I used to with out sleep, but I like the up feeling.
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Old Mar 02, 2014, 07:21 PM
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Sleep deprivation has been used in studies to interrupt depressive episodes. Sometimes it does that for me.
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I'll have to look into that, thanks
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I'm on Ambien, and now I realize it is not working as effectively as it used to and I am awake now at 3AM most mornings unable to return to sleep. Is there a better sleep medication out there that anyone knows of ?
I had the same experience with Ambien....it knocks you out well....but after being on it awhile, my body thinks that 3AM is wakey time...I wonder if it's because it causes you to be in such a deep sleep?

Now I take trazadone....and I am able to dream which I could never do on Ambien.
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Old Mar 06, 2014, 03:44 AM
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Up at 3am again. Didn't sleep worth a **** last night. Took my remeron and konopin as usual, went to bed at 10 and just couldn't shut my mind off.
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