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Old Jun 23, 2017, 08:42 AM
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back to psych drugs....when I had my disabling depression...I was started on Elavil and after a couple of weeks the tension in my body went away...I felt like doing something...
but the theory then was -----you will take this for the rest of your life...
well Prozac came along...I switched...after that I have been on most of the ssris...
they all pooped out...

now I am reading about some serious questions about long term use of these drugs...
acute use yes...chronic use????????this is very disturbing to me...I think I got screwed..

please do not pay any attention to these problems that I have...I am reading stuff on mad-in-America website....they are against drugs pretty much except acute use..
I am just having a lot of anger at the people that screwed me over...but I have a problem with people that are in charge...I have a problem..but some of them had a problem also...
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Old Jun 23, 2017, 04:18 PM
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Fuzzybear too has a problem with some of these in "real" "life" who think they have a ****ing clue and can categorise and or prescribe in 15 minutes. Then the "patient" is left with the opinion of that *** wipe

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back to psych drugs....when I had my disabling depression...I was started on Elavil and after a couple of weeks the tension in my body went away...I felt like doing something...
but the theory then was -----you will take this for the rest of your life...
well Prozac came along...I switched...after that I have been on most of the ssris...
they all pooped out...

now I am reading about some serious questions about long term use of these drugs...
acute use yes...chronic use????????this is very disturbing to me...I think I got screwed..

please do not pay any attention to these problems that I have...I am reading stuff on mad-in-America website....they are against drugs pretty much except acute use..
I am just having a lot of anger at the people that screwed me over...but I have a problem with people that are in charge...I have a problem..but some of them had a problem also...
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Old Jun 24, 2017, 08:12 AM
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Fuzzybear too has a problem with some of these in "real" "life" who think they have a ****ing clue and can categorise and or prescribe in 15 minutes. Then the "patient" is left with the opinion of that *** wipe
that 15 minute appt. is a very big problem...it fits into the efficient business model....we are letting ourselves just be a number in the crowd of patients waiting for our psych drugs....I am in line also....my psychiatrist takes time..
i think the psychiatrist has a problem getting paid for taking more time..
i don't think it is going on with most patients...i was told by my superior----talk less and give drugs....
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Old Jun 24, 2017, 05:37 PM
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we need to talk more about what is going on in our brains...I need to...I don't want to shut up...I am very disturbed about what psychiatry is doing to us...I think they are hurting more than helping....some are helping...but most are hurting us...that is what is going on in my brain...I don't like thinking that some of what I did hurt people...it was what I was told was right...it was wrong...it was WRONG...


I did what the standard of practice called for...but it damaged some people....I will never be able to forget some of the persons I treated wrongly...with drugs...I did wrong...I didn't know any better..


I am no longer going to be talking about the psych drugs being good...they are good and bad....I think they are MOSTLY BAD for most people...we need something better...like nurturing people in a safe place and talking about what is bothering them...and keep the drug reps out of the clinics...


Were you able to prescribe therapy to go along with the medication? I think the combo is what saved my life. It helps me to sort the dysfunction from the depression.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 01:48 PM
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Were you able to prescribe therapy to go along with the medication? I think the combo is what saved my life. It helps me to sort the dysfunction from the depression.
very important sugar...I tried...
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 05:24 PM
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Learning is everything. Listening to learn. I think you did and do that, Little Turtle. I wish you peace and forgiveness! Reading your posts, I just want to say I am grateful for you.
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Old Jun 26, 2017, 07:34 AM
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Learning is everything. Listening to learn. I think you did and do that, Little Turtle. I wish you peace and forgiveness! Reading your posts, I just want to say I am grateful for you.
thank you so much boomerang....
I want to say something now...
I never thought I would be thinking this...
I am a board certified psychiatrist...
I have had lots of experience and am retired ...
but now I do not know what is causing all this depression and suicide..
and I don't know how to help all this suffering quickly...
I wish I knew...but I don't know
I wish I had a quick easy answer for myself and others..
but I don't know....
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Old Jun 28, 2017, 07:45 AM
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I cant believe that I made it thru all that hurt and sorrow..almost 86 years...I am still alive ....I want to stay alive...I am just a simple person who just wants to survive a little longer...I am still dealing with depression....but it comes and goes...
the world doesn't look very good to me....I don't like the way people are treating each other...we sure need some good people to come along to lead us...people have forgotten about the golden rule...I just want to be kind to others...and helpful
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Old Jun 28, 2017, 09:13 AM
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I think if people officially complained when a doctor is cruel, eventually ... well .. the doctor might leave

I didn't officially complain. I should have done, years ago .. but I wasn't brave enough to be torn apart again for complaining

I'd been torn down and abused all my life by "family" - this was what I tried to speak to the doctor about

I'm sensitive.. I try to be kind. I would never label and condemn someone in distress
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Old Jun 28, 2017, 09:55 AM
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I think if people officially complained when a doctor is cruel, eventually ... well .. the doctor might leave

I didn't officially complain. I should have done, years ago .. but I wasn't brave enough to be torn apart again for complaining

I'd been torn down and abused all my life by "family" - this was what I tried to speak to the doctor about

I'm sensitive.. I try to be kind. I would never label and condemn someone in distress
fuzzy I think it is ok to be the way you are...
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Old Jun 28, 2017, 11:34 AM
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Little Turtle-
It is a very confusing topic. On the one hand, when I was first prescribed an anti-depressant--it did make me feel less suicidal. On the other hand, after stopping for about 20 days, I was extremely paranoid, delusional and went through with what I was afraid to do before. More recently, I had severe headaches, dizziness and nausea when I tried to quit. I haven't been depressed in a while. When I go to my psych--I am going to ask for the lowest dose (75mg) verses the 150mg per day bupropion dose I am now on. I am even going to talk to my husband about it (that I am more freely talking to him IS a miracle). I am lucky. I feel like I figured a lot out through self reflection but I hope I am not addicted to my anti-depressant for life......
I read somewhere that low doses of ritalin can be a very fast acting antidepressant. Have you ever considered this or prescribed it?
I hope you have found the peace of your turmoils.
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Old Jun 29, 2017, 10:11 AM
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I feel very alone.....irl....I am not close to anyone...maybe one person somewhat...
most people will not go into deep problems.....I want to...I want to talk with others about the worst possible things...I just don't seem to be able to do it...I am terribly shy and afraid of being hurt...
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Old Jun 29, 2017, 10:29 AM
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I feel very alone.....irl....I am not close to anyone...maybe one person somewhat...
most people will not go into deep problems.....I want to...I want to talk with others about the worst possible things...I just don't seem to be able to do it...I am terribly shy and afraid of being hurt...
I feel the same.... most people won't go into deep problems or even talk about other deep things
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Old Jun 29, 2017, 03:13 PM
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I'm saddened by the cruelty of some in this world. Assumptions are rarely helpful, it's so much easier to lash out in frustration and anger than to show compassion even when in pain. You're a wonderful person and friend. Thank you for not making wrong assumptions about me or about others who are in pain. There isn't an easy "fix" for everyone. I wish for less suffering for all the brave souls here on pc.

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Old Jun 29, 2017, 03:29 PM
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I'm saddened by the cruelty of some in this world. Assumptions are rarely helpful, it's so much easier to lash out in frustration and anger than to show compassion even when in pain. You're a wonderful person and friend. Thank you for not making wrong assumptions about me or about others who are in pain. There isn't an easy "fix" for everyone. I wish for less suffering for all the brave souls here on pc.

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I want to get on the fuzzy bus right now...
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Old Jun 29, 2017, 08:29 PM
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Maybe I can "whine" here without being attacked. Thank you little turtle and Rohag for having a brain and being more helpful than many so called "professionals"

WHINE AND GROWL

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It never crossed my mind that Psychiatrist could be narcissistic. That they were capable to medicate with evil intentions sadistic in nature.
I always thought that psychiatrist were loving, sympathetic, compassionate, and empathetic enough for my well-being.
I failed to recognize that they are human too.
In no way do I intend to make little turtle feel bad.
I know he has a good heart and soul because he was caring enough to make the conscious decision to share what he has witnessed other colleagues do.
All I can be is extremely grateful and thankful for little turtle open my eyes.
Bless your heart and soul, little turtle.
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Old Jun 29, 2017, 11:02 PM
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It never crossed my mind that Psychiatrist could be narcissistic. That they were capable to medicate with evil intentions sadistic in nature.
I always thought that psychiatrist were loving, sympathetic, compassionate, and empathetic enough for my well-being.
I failed to recognize that they are human too.
In no way do I intend to make little turtle feel bad.
I know he has a good heart and soul because he was caring enough to make the conscious decision to share what he has witnessed other colleagues do.
All I can be is extremely grateful and thankful for little turtle open my eyes.
Bless your heart and soul, little turtle.
Good post! I personally have experienced the ministrations of Narcissistic psych workers ...these do great harm .. and I'm very grateful to little turtle for his honesty, compassion and the loving and genuine support he offers so freely here. Little turtle makes this world a much better place
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Old Jun 30, 2017, 05:20 AM
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I don't know what to say...what kindness is being shared...I just try to be good...I feel so sorry for those patients that I let down...I was shy and weak...I lacked courage...
I was a broken down human trying to be a good psychiatrist...

thanks for your kindness...
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Old Jun 30, 2017, 06:36 AM
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one of the things that sticks in my mind...from a long time ago..
I was told by the head doctor---talk less and use more drugs..
to me this is absolutely wrong..we should be talking more and using less drugs..

I cant believe how much I don't know...I have a lot to learn..i am ignorant of a lot of suffering..
I am going back to school...it will be home school...I want to learn more about the causes of depression...I want this suffering to end...

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Old Jun 30, 2017, 08:12 AM
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Old Jun 30, 2017, 10:34 AM
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I don't know what to say...what kindness is being shared...I just try to be good...I feel so sorry for those patients that I let down...I was shy and weak...I lacked courage...
I was a broken down human trying to be a good psychiatrist...

thanks for your kindness...
Dear little turtle,
You sound so MUCH like me sometimes. I'm sure not everyone would agree



I so wish that more in this sad and cruel world were like you.



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Old Jun 30, 2017, 10:38 AM
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I wonder, do you think this statement could be true for others as well, even those who feel the need to "offer" their "wisdom" in less than kind ways?

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Old Jun 30, 2017, 12:59 PM
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I wonder, do you think this statement could be true for others as well, even those who feel the need to "offer" their "wisdom" in less than kind ways?

fuzzy I cant believe the unimaginable suffering that we all go thru...it is hard to tell about the depth of fear...
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