Confessions of little turtle with love #4

Hello Little Turtle,

This is obviously a longstanding thread with a long history, but I do check on it although you don't know me. You seem so lovely, fragile, and vulnerable. I too find the world frightening, as you say you do.

I just wanted to say in regard to your remarks about what was helpful in therapy, that that was my experience too. Although I'm pretty much "through" with talk therapy now, I saw many different therapists with different combinations of degrees over the years, and the one I finally settled in with, the one who helped me the most, helped because she cared about me. She engaged in a relationship with me, and she showed me in many ways that she cared. No boundaries were ever broken. It took years, but I think that's what finally helped me break through to independence, though I still take medication to keep functioning.

Many blessings to you and all here, on the bus.

Person centred therapy seems to help
Top ups may be needed
We are a life long project.
I think they are only just starting to realise this...

Is there any chance they will give up blaming us for that?

Hugs and respect to all on the bus

thanks mopey

You're very welcome, Turtle.

Well I'm back.... I could not stay away for long. I came back because I need support.
Thanks giddykitty.

As others participating here, I suffer from longterm depression and anxiety. Circumstances have permitted me time to consider my conditions, perhaps too much time.

The human organism is a "system of systems," a marvelous complex of negative and positive feedback loops that folds in both the physiological and psychological. Many of those loops are endocrine-hormonal.

Logic can lead astray, but I wonder to what extent the study of depression and anxiety might benefit from the inclusion of endocrinology, and necessarily metabolic homeostasis, in the science?
Some of us certainly are, and the cost-effective techniques beloved of medical bureaucracies tend to gag on us.

thanks thanks thanks......metoo chronic depression and anxiety....low energy and nervous.....i am now finished with 6 chapters in that new book...it is spectacular..i am hopeful about gaining more energy....less depressed...
but you know i could be full of poop...

i am so sad that i have to change the way i am eating....
i think eating has a lot to do with the brain and depression...
and i am going to find out what can be done...i will report back...

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The human organism is a "system of systems," a marvelous complex of negative and positive feedback loops that folds in both the physiological and psychological. Many of those loops are endocrine-hormonal.

Logic can lead astray, but I wonder to what extent the study of depression and anxiety might benefit from the inclusion of endocrinology, and necessarily metabolic homeostasis, in the science?

It makes sense, Rohag. For example, I'm postmenopausal now, but when I did have a menstrual cycle I could practically set my clock by the mood changes I'd endure depending on where I was in the cycle. When my hormonal level would drop right before the onset of a period I would be suicidally depressed, hardly able to get out of bed in the morning. I believe that coincides with a measurable drop in hormonal level.

At the onset, when all the hormones came rushing back, I felt FANTASTIC.

I believe this is a known medical phenomenon.

they gag on us. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Thank you for posting Rohag.

It would not surprise me if our hormones play a much bigger role in our health.

Cortisol for example. I am not medically trained but I have read a little about the HPA axis.

Could it be that an over stimulation of stress when younger causes a change in our hormone levels?

Here in the UK, they gag us.... I was told that there was nothing wrong with me I think what they really meant was they did not want to offer treatment and so they gave no label so they could refuse it. That happened on just one occasion.

Based on limited reading and a bit of personal experience, I believe a serious look into the HPA axis needs to be a part of any comprehensive view of depression and anxiety.

Once an endocrinologist commented on how much stress I had. That doctor was not looking at psych test results.

I'm sorry for that experience with your local medicos, Thirty Shades.

i have a mental illness....i am not a mental illness....
i want to hang around with my people....on the bus..
i don't feel comfortable with persons who have not broken down...
actually if you are able to deal with your crap then you get a medal of honor..
for having gone thru awful times........a badge of honor for me after 88 years....
i had a lot of help....

i am reading now about eating too much fat....
and what it can do to my metabolic health...like ldl
and maybe my mental health....i am experimenting...

i am not willing to give up my wine ...not now...maybe not ever...
and valium is in my closet for emergency....

i am pre-diabetic.....latest a1c on the border...i am reading that
if you have pre-diabetes you are more at risk for depression..
so i need to do something about this...

i need more energy....

Well this is Desiree2006. I was miserable and needed support and am back. Much love and hugs and respect to all on the AS IS bus.

glad you are back with us...we were lonely without you...

Welcome back

Much love and hugs

Much hugs and respect back atcha!

I'm sorry, I missed your reply to me before. Maybe I didn't realize it was you at the time. Anyway, Welcome Back! I hope you find the support you need! <3

Thanks fuzzy!
Much love and hugs to you too.

Thanks little turtle.