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Old May 11, 2018, 01:13 AM
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But would you rather have had your 24-year-old brother be diagnosed with cancer and have a miserable, lingering death just so you could say goodbye? Or have had the car crash result in him being massively injured and lingering in a painful state for months or years so that you had the chance to say goodbye? I doubt that you would have wanted that for either of you.

Maybe if you can look at it that way, it will help you deal with the loss.
Daisy is only discussing mourning the tragic loss of her brother at such a young age, and missing having him in her life going forward.

This line of questioning is irrelevant to anything she said and frankly seems to be designed to inflict shame or guilt, which is not going to help the grief process at all.
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Old May 11, 2018, 07:29 AM
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Daisy is only discussing mourning the tragic loss of her brother at such a young age, and missing having him in her life going forward.

This line of questioning is irrelevant to anything she said and frankly seems to be designed to inflict shame or guilt, which is not going to help the grief process at all.
It was certainly not my intent to attempt to inflict further pain in any form on Daisy. I was discussing how I would attempt to console myself if I were placed in her position.
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Old May 12, 2018, 02:42 AM
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But would you rather have had your 24-year-old brother be diagnosed with cancer and have a miserable, lingering death just so you could say goodbye? Or have had the car crash result in him being massively injured and lingering in a painful state for months or years so that you had the chance to say goodbye? I doubt that you would have wanted that for either of you.

Maybe if you can look at it that way, it will help you deal with the loss.
I was merely responding with my own experience with both expected & unexpected deaths. Not speaking for everyone, but from my own experience. It was more difficult for me, still is, with how unexpected his death was. I didn't say that I wanted to say goodbye, but I would have liked more time with him, as he was only 24. My brother was killed and massively injured. DOA. We were only allowed to see his hand.

Your way, your thought process does not help with my loss.
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Old May 16, 2018, 01:28 PM
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I was merely responding with my own experience with both expected & unexpected deaths. Not speaking for everyone, but from my own experience. It was more difficult for me, still is, with how unexpected his death was. I didn't say that I wanted to say goodbye, but I would have liked more time with him, as he was only 24. My brother was killed and massively injured. DOA. We were only allowed to see his hand.

Your way, your thought process does not help with my loss.
I was going to say something along those lines but you said it perfectly.

I'm sure you wouldn't have wanted him to suffer a long, lingering terminal illness instead so you could have more time with him. Everyone's grief/loss is different. I thought the comment about having him suffer instead minimized your pain or downplayed it.

And thinking of him suffering instead of having a sudden death wouldn't help me either. That's because as I think I said below, I lost a good friend suddenly and unexpectedly about 2 years ago. I wish I had more time, wish I had told him some things.

This opposed to losing my mom after she wasted away from cancer. Both are painful but in different ways. And no, I wouldn't have wanted my friend to suffer a long terminal illness, with mom dying suddenly and unexpectedly. Neither one is easy.
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I'm reminded of an inappropriate (I thought) comment from a fellow member in my grief group. She said "Imagine how much worse you'd feel if your dad also passed away."

REALLY? This is supposed to be helpful or supportive? Make me feel better? Imagine FEELING WORSE???

The woman rubs me the wrong way anyway, but I decided to let it go. If it happens again, she'll get a piece of my mind.
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when we expect someone to die we can start grieving with Anticipatory Grief.

Unexpected can blindside us and be more of a shock
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Old Jun 02, 2018, 01:41 PM
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when we expect someone to die we can start grieving with Anticipatory Grief.

Unexpected can blindside us and be more of a shock
I don't get this. I couldn't "anticipate" how it was going to be when mom finally dies. Yeah, I knew it was coming but didn't know when. Nobody did. I couldn't be ready for it.

Both unexpected and expected are hard and different from each other.
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Both unexpected and expected are hard and different from each other.

I've experienced both expected and unexpected. They both suck, but in different ways.
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What do you see as the major differences in expected death and unexpected death?
My uncle unexpectedly passed away from lung cancer that spread to his heart. We all didnt know we was sick so I think the biggest difference is not being able to talk to him and tell him how much we loved him and not being able to say goodbye. Death is for the living. We have to cope with it and learn to live without that person. It is beyond difficult.
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My uncle unexpectedly passed away from lung cancer that spread to his heart. We all didnt know we was sick so I think the biggest difference is not being able to talk to him and tell him how much we loved him and not being able to say goodbye. Death is for the living. We have to cope with it and learn to live without that person. It is beyond difficult.
Do you think there's anyway to have closure with not being able to say good bye and say how much you loved them?
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Do you think there's anyway to have closure with not being able to say good bye and say how much you loved them?

I asked this myself. From what was told to me, it's changing my lens of perspective. I had trouble with writing a letter to my brother that passed (it was an assignment of mine from my T). I got stuck on forgiveness and apology and what it entails with the living (like how could I apologize and forgive a person that passed away?).

Some people write in a journal of conversation to the deceased love one, others write letters and at some point it's supposed to bring a different type of closure. I'm still working on this myself, so I don't really have an answer of what works. But it's worth a shot?
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I still have dreams about my dad who died almost 2 years ago. It seems that part of me is trying to come to terms with the loss. Keeping a dream journal may help to remember dreams better.
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I asked this myself. From what was told to me, it's changing my lens of perspective. I had trouble with writing a letter to my brother that passed (it was an assignment of mine from my T). I got stuck on forgiveness and apology and what it entails with the living (like how could I apologize and forgive a person that passed away?).

Some people write in a journal of conversation to the deceased love one, others write letters and at some point it's supposed to bring a different type of closure. I'm still working on this myself, so I don't really have an answer of what works. But it's worth a shot?
In the grief group I've gone to most recently, they had us write down good and bad memories of the deceased. Also, we kept a "grief monitoring diary" where we were supposed to rate how we feel each day on a scale of 1-10, for both the most intense grief and the lowest grief.

Neither was required or "graded", and I found both somewhat helpful. But it's hard to put a number on something that isn't as black and white as a number. It's to look for patterns or things that trigger the intense grief even though it varies every day.

I haven't written anything like a letter cause I don't know what to say. I may try at one point but now I don't feel like it. I'd like to do in the "safety" of the group context but there isn't enough time. And there's just one more session left now.

A couple of days ago I finally looked at a picture of me and mom. It was taken around 40 years ago, and that feels like it was literally in another dimension or universe. That was the last time things were even remotely congenial with her.
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I am sorry for all those who have lost someone. I have found out what loss is in the only way that I could. I lost my dad 20 months ago. At first I was wrapped up in the tasks of getting the funeral behind us and caring for family members. I thought after the funeral things would be all better..

3 months later on what would have been his 90th birthday, my feelings really started to come out. Then I really began to grieve. And I am still grieving. The sadness is less but the loss is more apparent to me. I guess I did not see my dad dying or I avoided it. But now there is nowhere to hide and so I am coming to terms with losing him and eventually my mom. And the hardest part of all this is I can see I am following in my parents footsteps.
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I am sorry for all those who have lost someone. I have found out what loss is in the only way that I could. I lost my dad 20 months ago. At first I was wrapped up in the tasks of getting the funeral behind us and caring for family members. I thought after the funeral things would be all better..

3 months later on what would have been his 90th birthday, my feelings really started to come out. Then I really began to grieve. And I am still grieving. The sadness is less but the loss is more apparent to me. I guess I did not see my dad dying or I avoided it. But now there is nowhere to hide and so I am coming to terms with losing him and eventually my mom. And the hardest part of all this is I can see I am following in my parents footsteps.
What do you mean by following your parents foot steps?
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What do you mean by following your parents foot steps?
I saw my parents work for 40 years, then retire and enjoy life for 20 years, and now one died and the other wants to die.

Following in their footsteps means I did my own work stint, am retired and at some point will approach death. We are all in the similar patterns of from birth to death. It is unavoidable.
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My Dad died unexpectedly and I think that’s worse. We had a good relationship and I got to see him the week before and I always told him I loved him, so I am very thankful for that. He forgot his cane one morning when he went to the bathroom. When he came out, he fell and hit his head so hard that he only lived until that night.
My Mom now walks with a walker, but is constantly forgetting to use it, so now I’m scared that I’ll find her on the floor when I go over there one day!
I’m dealing with the issue of anxiety about anything being taken away in the blink of an eye. I’m depressed, don’t want to go out and am very anxious about loss. Besides going to work, I just want to sleep all day and stay home with my dogs. I can’t seem to break out of this funk.


Thank you so much for your post! My father from originally from Michigan, fell, hitting his head fracturing his skull. He "lived" in the hospital for 11 days before he passed. My mother is disabled, he was her primary care giver.
I am always looking for signs, and I believe this is one. We will be ok, we will make it! I know that is true, but feeling it is going to take work!
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when we expect someone to die we can start grieving with Anticipatory Grief.

Unexpected can blindside us and be more of a shock

For me this is very true. My sister has had terminal cancer for over 18 months now; her original diagnosis had her passing already. She is a little roadrunner, always busy and smiling!
My father died unexpectedly due to a fall recently. I am angry that I didn't get to prepare for this, but I understand. I spent as much time as possible with him talking to him the 11 days before he died. I felt as if it was quality time.









I am angry, hurt, depressed etc. And who knows how I will feel after my sister passes; only time will tell.
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