[SweetCrusader]

Here are some song lyrics, and then after them I'm going to post to discuss my thoughts on them and I'd like to hear your thoughts on both the lyrics and on my thoughts! lol!

One last time by Him

Is it so hard to believe our hearts
Are made to be broken by love
That in constant dying lies
The beauty of it all
My darling won't you feel
The sweet heaven in
Our endless cry
Oh at least you could trust
For this one last time
Ever amazed how bright are the flames
We are burning in
Ever smiled at the tragedies
We hold inside
My darling won't you cherish
The fear of life that keeps
You and me so alive
Oh at least you could trust
For this one last time
It could be alright
For this one last time
Oh at least you could trust
(and we just will be closer)
For this one last time
(let me fall into your arms)
It could be alright
(don't let us grow colder)
For this one last time
(let me close to your heart)
Oh at least you could trust
(and before it's over)
For this one last time
(let me fall into your arms)
It could be alright
(before it's all over)
For this one last time
(let me close to your heart)

[SweetCrusader]

Okay, so my thoughts sort of went in a million different directions, lol! Here goes...

My first reaction was- wow this is extremely unhealthy. This song is about people who are so addicted to pain/death/negativity as their lot in life that they've decided this is the only beauty life holds for them.[***This interpretation might actually be what the song was aimed toward, knowing this band (gothic rock of the "pain + death= sexy" variety- name of the cd is razorblade romance) but I digress...]

Anyway, I could see how this fit many people I know- myself included, admittedly This epitomizes some of the biggest challenges I face, which would be my addiction to "drama" lol. My t talked about this theory she had, about how for a lot of people she sees in practice it seems that they are accustomed to this culture where we are encouraged to be restricted in our range of emotions. She said that she wonders if repressing our regular, healthy, range of emotions is what can often lead to needing dramatic and drastic reasons to throw us into total crisis in order to believe we have a "reason" or a "right" to *feel* And that's why we become addicted to engaging in drama and trauma- so we can allow ourselves some feeling instead of the constant "numb" that this culture tends to endorse(she was referring specifically to the area in which she works, but I think to a limited extent it does generalize to our U.S. culture, *somewhat*). Sort of like being subconsciously driven toward and seduced by drama, pain, crisis, and destruction in order to have a mode that's "acceptable" for releasing feelings. Am I making sense? Not sure if I explained that well. Anyway, that is ONE direction I took it in...

The other is sort of a more balanced take on life. And it also, in a slightly different way, comes in reaction to the extreme of going along with the idea that negative feelings and experiences are to be avoided completely. This would be living as what I like to call "surface dwellers"- the often culturally acceptable way of living in which we "don't have" strong negative feelings, and if we do, something is "wrong" with us. You know? Like not being able to see the value in painful situations and experiences. If you look at this song as a counter to that way of approaching life, you could say that this song is actually healthy in that it's about acknowledging that life involves pain and there can be beauty even in pain.

T has been teaching me about how *every* relationship involves some pain. This seems to be a difficult thing for me to work with, even though it's a reality. I guess the pattern in my life has been toward relationships that are BASED ON pain or relationships that are held together only by the ILLUSION of perfection and the illusion that there will be or is a LACK of pain. She is helping me to see that we can experience pain as a part of the relationship, and not jump ship NOR become so engrossed in that pain that it becomes what the relationship is "about". Hard stuff to learn.

Anyway, in that vein, to me this song can be a celebration of the fact that we're alive and we're loving, and thus we're going to feel pain. Not a celebration of or addiction to the pain itself (pain sucks!), but an understanding there is beauty in that whole process, and growth, and trust, and many a beautiful thing that comes along with the pain. It's not the same thing as being seduced or intoxicated by the pain, tho. Know what I mean?

Any thoughts???? I'm anxious to hear

(Sorry about the lenght of this post, too, btw )

[nothemama8]

W O W This is so deep
Angie

[Fuzzybear]

Still thinking ..... good post, thanks! (Brain not fully here today ...) ((((((((((Angela))))))))))

[nothemama8]

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[jmo531]

SC,

Did not want you to think I ignored this post. I'm with Fuzzy on this one, I need a while to gather and collect my thoughts. I have 3 brain cells and I must use them wisely.

[Mahali]

Angela,

You know I am not one known for my run away emotions so I am thinking perhaps this conversation goes over my head but what the heck here are my thoughts.

To me the author is asking the other to take one more chance. To see that even through the pain and hurt that often accompanies caring and love...there is a beauty to it. Something to be cherished. Asking them to try one more time and to remember the wonders they felt before the pain came previously. Reminding them that perhaps this time it "could be alright".

I think people who have been hurt repeatedly find it very hard to show emotions. To make themselves vulnerable and exposed to more pain is more than their comfort level can stand. It takes a great person to get them to even try to show caring and need again.

So with that I will defer to your very well put final vein...that this song may be a form of celebration and encouragement... that even though there is pain connected to relationships... the risk of this pain may be worth having the ability to feel love and being loved.

Just my thoughts.

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[SweetCrusader]

No other thoughts on it??

it hasn't even been up for twenty-four hours!! Give us some time to take this in. Like with another post or two here right now I want to give them my focus and attention but don't have great cognitive abilities at the moment. I do have thoughts on this concept and would like to share. Hope there isn't a deadline for entries

[kimmydawn]

Angela,

I've read the words to the song and I'm thinking that the song is about awareness. The awareness that life has had repetition of pain in some sort or another, and that something needs to be done to try to bring an end to that. But, before that final leap into the knowledge that comes with awareness, the singer would like to spend one last time in the bliss of ignorance. He would like one last time to continue things the way that they are, even though they've been found to be detrimental...to savor the life that was. because, even though there was pain, there was a beauty in the comfort of it all.

N

[SweetCrusader]

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Angela,

I've read the words to the song and I'm thinking that the song is about awareness. The awareness that life has had repetition of pain in some sort or another, and that something needs to be done to try to bring an end to that. But, before that final leap into the knowledge that comes with awareness, the singer would like to spend one last time in the bliss of ignorance. He would like one last time to continue things the way that they are, even though they've been found to be detrimental...to savor the life that was. because, even though there was pain, there was a beauty in the comfort of it all.

N

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Wow! A totally fresh perspective. I like that! I love it when there are many ways to look at the same thing Thank you for sharing your thoughts!!

[SeptemberMorn]

There was a time or two that I was in the middle of feeling the words of the song. It brings back all the desperation of trying to hang on to something that wasn't yours to begin with, wondering how you're going to survive without that person, and yes, all the Drama that comes with a breakup. If I gave it half a chance, I could get into it really easy right now. I won't do that.

Just the other day I was going through an old journal made up of emails, cards and letters from someone I thought was my soul mate. In reading an email of mine to him, suddenly I was sobbing. The words to this song, had I known them, would have been all too fitting. Again, that's a place I don't want to revisit. It just leaves me wanting to bang my head against a wall and scream "STUPID!!! STUPID!!! STUPID!!!" Not sure who, though. Him... or me...

Sorry I couldn't add anything positive.

[(JD)]

I like the positive things said about it...

but I wonder if it's really a plea by a very selfish person... someone caught up in "life is pain" (your pain,not mine?)... someone begging to forget all the past, all the hurt from before and go back to him "one last time." A real pattern (I think) of abusive ppl.

It could go either way ... oops blackandwhite thinking... it could different ways ; )

[SweetCrusader]

((((((((((Susan, Tomi, and Sky))))))))))))))))))))

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts! I really love things that inspire discussion, and I like to hear what things mean *personally* to others. I learned a little from each of you

Tks again

Angela