[LostSavant]

Sorry Folks but this may sound like a Rant - Please No Offense is meant.

My entire life thus far, has been as a giving person.....I gave, my time, my body, my sweat, my blood, my tears, my heart, almost all of my personnal possessions, my mind and even small bits of my soul.

I gave, because that was what I was brought up to believe....everything you send out will come back to you threefold. Now in the cosmic scheme of things this would work theoretically, however the negeative energy versus the positive energy is so out of sink at this time.....the balance and return will take thousands of years to ever come close to balancing out.

And for the past 40+ years in this normal world with its normal rules I lead the live of the perpetual giver. And EVERYONE around me, excluding a small handful of people, have done nothing but come to me and say: I Want, I Need, I Have to Have it now, You are the only person that can help....BEG, PLEAD.....I Want, I Need....

It now have gotten to the point that I no longer have my health, my mental state is really close to be completely gone, my emotional state is very badly bruised....I have lost a career, a pension, a home, an income, almost all my worldly belongings, cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, campers, snowmobiles, horses......you name it I probably gave it away to someone who I thought needed more than me. Then the kicker was someone had the nerve to steal mail and a box of checks from us and open up some LLC company using our address and SSN#'s etc. We contacted the State Police and were told to contact an attorney. The attorney said it so common any more (ID Theft) the simplest and most inexpensive way for us to fix it was to file for bankruptcy.............

Bankruptcy....boy that took us back. We had no credit cards. The only bills we had were our mortgage and a student loan I was paying on for over 20 years because I refused to let anyone pay for my college when I was young. Now due to this ID theft thing we are thousands of dollars in debt from places all over the world we never even heard of or been too.

Then When everything was said and done.....There we stood, my wonderful husband and I, with nothing left to give anyone....and when we needed a door opened and help.....no one came to us and offered.........We are not criminals, we are not drug or alcohol abusers, we were hard working middle class citizens.... (to be contiued...)

Please No Guilt Trip Stuff, I Really Can Not Handle It Right Now
Accept Me the way I am, broken as I am, Give me time to work this out. Thank you. And I do not need your pity. Please be patient with me.

[Junerain]

Patiently holding your hand, drying your tears

I have had my life ruined as well..............and I am a giver in every way, seems the world does not appreciate this, I feel deeply unappreciated as well

[sundog]

Hugs to you (if that's ok) (((((((LostSavant)))))
And to (((((Junerain))))) too

[LostSavant]

This is sort of how I feel:

ARTIST: Blue Öyster Cult
TITLE: Veteran of the Psychic Wars

You see me now, a veteran
Of a thousand psychic wars
I've been living on the edge so long
Where the winds of limbo roar
And I'm young enough to look at
And far too old to see
All the scars are on the inside
I'm not sure that there's anything left of me

Don't let these shakes go on
It's time we had a break from it
It's time we had some leave
We've been living in the flames
We've been eating out our brains
Oh, please don't let these shakes go on

You ask me why I'm weary
Why I can't speak to you
You blame me for my silence
Say it's time I changed and grew
But the war's still going on, dear
And there's no end that I know
And I can't say if we're ever
I can't say if we're ever gonna be free

You see me now a veteran
Of a thousand psychic wars
My energy is spent at last
And my armor is destroyed
I have used up all my weapons
And I'm helpless and bereaved
Wounds are all I'm made of
Did I hear you say that this is victory

Don't let these shakes go on
It's time we had a break from it
Send me to the rear
Where the tides of madness swell
And been sliding into hell
Oh, please don't let shakes go on
Don't let these shakes go on
Don't let these shakes go on

Hello, LostSavant. What you describe is tragic. The response of the police is despicable. I get so upset with it-is-not-my-job answers. Whose job is it? Are the police not charged with investigating criminal activity?

Frankly, I am at a loss to say anything of use. I wish you and your husband well.

[Junerain]

Just wanted to say that is a sadly beautiful song, lostsavant


Perhaps listening to it will provide peace

[lynn P.]

This is a sad world we live in, where 'takers' will bleed you dry. I'm beginning to wonder if there is such a thing as a 'real friend' anymore. Ideally it would be perfect to have a mix of give and take.... you scratch my back and I scratch yours. The greatest gift a person can give themselves is to say "NO" at the appropriate time. A 'people pleaser' also needs to examine why they have this need to give, even if it's too the detriment of themselves.

A few years ago, we used to have 'friends' over all the time for dinner and would spend the whole summer entertaining them by the pool. Then bankruptcy hit and the friends scattered like cockroaches, when you turn a bright light on lol. I would love to know if there are any friends who will accept people as they are, even if we aren't carrying a silver platter.

[50guy]

Wow, we must have the same "friends", when the $$$ ran out they ran out too. I'm a giver too and I have given to my own detriment. I have learned a great lesson. A powerful two letter word "NO."

Originally Posted by lynn P.

This is a sad world we live in, where 'takers' will bleed you dry. I'm beginning to wonder if there is such a thing as a 'real friend' anymore. Ideally it would be perfect to have a mix of give and take.... you scratch my back and I scratch yours. The greatest gift a person can give themselves is to say "NO" at the appropriate time. A 'people pleaser' also needs to examine why they have this need to give, even if it's too the detriment of themselves.

A few years ago, we used to have 'friends over all the time for dinner and would spend the whole summer entertaining them by the pool. Then bankruptcy hit and the friends scattered like cockroaches ...when you turn a bright light on lol. I would love to know if there are any friends who will accept people as they are, even if we aren't carrying a silver platter.

[LostSavant]

Originally Posted by lynn P.

This is a sad world we live in, where 'takers' will bleed you dry. I'm beginning to wonder if there is such a thing as a 'real friend' anymore. Ideally it would be perfect to have a mix of give and take.... you scratch my back and I scratch yours. The greatest gift a person can give themselves is to say "NO" at the appropriate time. A 'people pleaser' also needs to examine why they have this need to give, even if it's too the detriment of themselves.

A few years ago, we used to have 'friends' over all the time for dinner and would spend the whole summer entertaining them by the pool. Then bankruptcy hit and the friends scattered like cockroaches, when you turn a bright light on lol. I would love to know if there are any friends who will accept people as they are, even if we aren't carrying a silver platter.

Simply amazing isnt it....you basically had those type of so called friends too.....I am sometimes ashamed of the people in the world we live with. Yet I still can't help feeling sorry for them.

[Rhiannonsmoon]

((((((((lost savant))))))))

That sucks. My question would be why did the bank post checks out to you? Over here no matter what you have to go and pick them up at the bank and show your transaction card and your drivers licence or photo ID before they will give them to you.

I think it's really bad that they don't take more care with them and at least mail them out security to be picked up from the post office. This would really anger me so badly.

I understand your rant and am standing there ranting with you. The police lied to you and they should have referred you to the detectives who handle ID theft, it is at least a local offence and there are state laws covering the offence in the US, as well as here in Oz and other countries. They deserve a good walloping from their superiors.

I really wish you luck with this and push for your bank to stop posting out checks in the mail.

[darkpurplesecrets]

((((LostSavant))))

Just wanted you to know that I am touched by your story here. I stand with you and I reach out my hand of friendship to you. I am also one who gives and it comes from my heart. I do not have a lot but what I have I give.

I want to say there are real friends in the world though they are far and few between. I say that because I have one of those friends who stands by me and accepts me for who I am, broken and all.

I am at a loss for words but want you to know that I hear you and am praying for you and your family. What happened is not right. I accept you as you are. I thank you for sharing. Know I am here for you.

dps

[Kayla_Marie2005]

I'm so sorry that you have to go through this. I hope things get better for you. I also wanted to say that I love the song Veteran of the Psychic Wars. Its a perfect description of how I feel

[Princess_Obsidian]

Greetings,

It does not seem like a rant, to me, but merely a positive way of letting negativity out.

As for your troubles, try to keep a positive attitude. I know, easier said, than done, though, you seem very strong and, I feel, brighter days are ahead.

Have a good one.

[little*rhino]

banks always mail out boxes of cheques here too...

have you talked to the financial institutions that held the cheques?? Banks or other are supposed to legally verify signatures, etc before cashing cheques.... and all financial institutions are supposed to have procedures in place when a string of global purchases are made with no prior history of such activity.

i would really push the financial institution and cause a stink

now.. on top of that... knowing what little i know of your living situation... I have to ask what you would even gain from filing bankruptcy? All any unsecured debt collector can do is call you, threaten to sue and in some cases they do sue... but if you have no major assets or cash, even a judgement against you wouldn't result in SQUAT

courts don't force people into homelessness to pay on credit debt (whether you accrued it or someone else did falsely)

courts force people to sell homes and vehicles when those items are above a particualr value and can be used to service a documented debt

no company would be able to prove you accrued any of it

and even if they could... your trailer is your only home.

there really isn't anything anyone can do to you - so why file?

filing costs money... ignoring letters and phone calls is free

eventually they go away because it costs money to pursue you

i would also let the FBI or whatever agency handles this know about it because it crosses state and national lines and is federal crime.

you need to go and get a credit bureau report and then get documentation supporting the identity theft and send each credit bureau a letter. It will be some paperwork but you may be able to have these false debts removed.

the financial institutions are supposed to help protect and repair this kind of thing. It's 2010 for pete sake.

don't give up or give in Lost... seriously... as bad as it feels, remember... creditors can't do anything to harm you.... write their names on paper and let them blow away in the wind.

[Crew]

((((((((LostSavant))))))))

I am sorry that you feel the way you do. If it is of any help I so understand where your coming from in that giving and giving can wear us down if we don't know how to refuel safely.

Just wanted you to know that I appreciate all the things you've said thus far.

As far as you poem...well, um like um, WOW I wish I could write like you. Do you have more? I love the way you choose to see things which you seem to be able to put it into deep words that make sense. Thank you so much for sharing your deep song. We so can relate ((((((LostSavant)))))

I wish you peace!
Crew

[madisgram]

we're here for you. sounds like you all have endured much. just a thought-when we give our all to others we leave nothing for ourselves. please be kind to yourself as much as you've been to others. we care for you and will be patient and kind.

[Lilleth]

Surely the bank bares some blame over here cheque books are sent out in the post but the postman has to hand it to you and have you sign for the letter. They cannot just put it in the mail box. I wish there was something I could say that would be of comfort.

[(JD)]

Mail fraud is handled by the postal service. Send them a copy of the police report. Also, stolen checks used to take money out of your account is FDIC insured perhap, against theft? Notify the bank of the police report as well and talk to them to see what else can be done.

Good wishes.

[LostSavant]

The area we lived in was sort of stuck in the 1800's.....heck the bank still has a hitchpost for the horse out front.....but we moved now 1400 miles away....and closed all our accounts we could.....the others wouldnt let us close them....but went into something called a default.....so in time, after I get my disability....we will file bankruptcy as per our attorneys recommendation then move on from there. Thanks..

[LostSavant]

Originally Posted by (JD)

Mail fraud is handled by the postal service. Send them a copy of the police report. Also, stolen checks used to take money out of your account is FDIC insured perhap, against theft? Notify the bank of the police report as well and talk to them to see what else can be done.

Good wishes.

I couldnt get a police report....they told me they dont handle that thing any longer....now its been over 3 years......
The bank was notified....after the fact....because we didnt know till over a month or so later....by then they said it wasnt there policy to handle it....to contact the police....
oh well the usual run around thing....

[LostSavant]

Originally Posted by Lilleth

Surely the bank bares some blame over here cheque books are sent out in the post but the postman has to hand it to you and have you sign for the letter. They cannot just put it in the mail box. I wish there was something I could say that would be of comfort.

In the area we live in the postal service is not required to hand deliver any mail if your driveway is more than 50 feet long....ours was a mile....

[embracinglife]

I hope that things get better for you. I'm at my wits end too trying to find a job in this economy. Maybe all we can really do sometimes is ride the wave out...

[LostSavant]

That's all I seem to be able to do...Is go along for the ride....

[lonegael]

Lost savant, I am so sorry that you and your husband were treated that way. You weren't kidding whn you said folks were stuck in the 1800's where you used to live. I hope it didn't end up doing violence to the very core of who you are. HUGGGS and good luck to you both where you are now.

[beggin for help]

Originally Posted by LostSavant

Sorry Folks but this may sound like a Rant - Please No Offense is meant.

My entire life thus far, has been as a giving person.....I gave, my time, my body, my sweat, my blood, my tears, my heart, almost all of my personnal possessions, my mind and even small bits of my soul.

I gave, because that was what I was brought up to believe....everything you send out will come back to you threefold. Now in the cosmic scheme of things this would work theoretically, however the negeative energy versus the positive energy is so out of sink at this time.....the balance and return will take thousands of years to ever come close to balancing out.

And for the past 40+ years in this normal world with its normal rules I lead the live of the perpetual giver. And EVERYONE around me, excluding a small handful of people, have done nothing but come to me and say: I Want, I Need, I Have to Have it now, You are the only person that can help....BEG, PLEAD.....I Want, I Need....

It now have gotten to the point that I no longer have my health, my mental state is really close to be completely gone, my emotional state is very badly bruised....I have lost a career, a pension, a home, an income, almost all my worldly belongings, cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, campers, snowmobiles, horses......you name it I probably gave it away to someone who I thought needed more than me. Then the kicker was someone had the nerve to steal mail and a box of checks from us and open up some LLC company using our address and SSN#'s etc. We contacted the State Police and were told to contact an attorney. The attorney said it so common any more (ID Theft) the simplest and most inexpensive way for us to fix it was to file for bankruptcy.............

Bankruptcy....boy that took us back. We had no credit cards. The only bills we had were our mortgage and a student loan I was paying on for over 20 years because I refused to let anyone pay for my college when I was young. Now due to this ID theft thing we are thousands of dollars in debt from places all over the world we never even heard of or been too.

Then When everything was said and done.....There we stood, my wonderful husband and I, with nothing left to give anyone....and when we needed a door opened and help.....no one came to us and offered.........We are not criminals, we are not drug or alcohol abusers, we were hard working middle class citizens.... (to be contiued...)

Please No Guilt Trip Stuff, I Really Can Not Handle It Right Now
Accept Me the way I am, broken as I am, Give me time to work this out. Thank you. And I do not need your pity. Please be patient with me.

Good girl for posting here. This is what we are supposed to do. You came to the right place. At least we can give to you and not expect anything in return. That is, your help when we feel down. These people can take all your possesions, but they cannot take your person. You are you. No body else is like you and that is not a bad thing. We let people have parts of us because we feel they will love us more in return. Unfortunately it does not work that way. I don't know why, it just does not. Sorry for not helping much, but it comes from within and I am not asking anything from you.