Still searching for the elusive Final Truth

Lou, you wrote </font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
If one was looking for something elusive, they could find it by using several means such as devoting all their heart into finding it.

</div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> The very meaning of elusive is : : tending to elude: as a : tending to evade grasp or pursuit b : hard to comprehend or define <an elusive concept> c : hard to isolate or identify <a haunting elusive aroma> (Merriam-Webster)

I find it interesting that you feel the degree of pursuit equals the result desired.

Where'd ya go Dexter?

Yes and then the problem becomes, if you're not looking for it, how do you know if you've found it? "The Truth" may come across your doorstep every single day but you miss it because you are either not looking for it, OR, are looking for the wrong thing! In another sense that is the same thing as saying the truth is here but we aren't ready to receive it yet!

That then validates the "Hitchhiker's Guide" joke, which is funny but I think speaks to something really true... in that story they search for the meaning of life (actually, the "answer to the ultimate question) and when they find it, it turns out that the "answer" is "42". Which leaves everyone confused, until they realize that they have correctly answered the question but haven't figured out what the "ultimate question" is... so they have to start all over from scratch to search for that "ultimate question" in order fo the "ultimate answer" that they have in hand to hold any meaning.

Numbers without units are meaningless!!! (Sorry, started channeling my incredible high school chemistry teacher for a moment there )

Sounds to me like you're reading Einstein! Maybe we do have the answer.. but don't recognize it. "Recent" science "found" something out..only to realize it was in one of Einstein's formulas all along!

Searching for difficult questions & answers .. is that versus figuring out the difficult questions & answers we come across in our trying to live.

Toast?

Maybe we can figure out what it is by determining all that it is not and seeing what's left over.

Okay...

It is not.. corned beef sandwich on rye. It is not lighter fluid or ball bearings...

If there is a "final truth," then are there other truths?

For sake of discussing something I might be able to understand or comphrehend, let's talk about truths that are known and absolute. Are there any truths that are permanent?

dexter,
You wrote,[...how do you know if you've found it (the truth)?...]
If one was looking for a treasure, if they found it they could have many types of responses to becomming rich. If one was looking for a solution to a problem, and they found it, they could also have many types of responses. (Archimedes). if one was loking for a lost sheep and they found it, they could have many types of responses to ahving the sheep back..
But if one was looking for the truth, and they found it, what could be their response? Would their response IYO be greater or less or equal to finding a treasure? or a lost sheep, or a solution to a problem? What IYO could finding the truth do to one?
Lou

MMIT,
You wrote,[...are there any truths that are permanent?...]
Are you meaning, {for ever}?
Lou

Yes. That a person has/had worth, simply because of being born, is a "permanent" or "forever" truth. That mammals need air and water to live for any length of time. These things you know?

I don't think there is ever a final truth......there will always be something else that becomes truth as long as we live...& as long as people live with minds to keep on thinking there will be something new that becomes a truth which is why it is elusive.

How physosophical.
Other than that, "in my mind" it would get into religious thinking about truths.
Debbie

What if the truths are out there, already, waiting for us to discover them? Here are the truths, and we pick and choose from them as we meet up with them in living..and decide if we will embrace one as one of our truths.

I agree with you Sky. Even the Ultimate Truth is revealed to us little by little as we progress in this life's journey. How sad to make it a single truth and stuff it in a box as if that's all there was to it. What would be the purpose to continue living if we found It all at once and how totally overwhelming if it was revealed to us all at once. We wouldn't be able to absorb it all. It takes a lifetime. It takes a journey.

Truth is the absence of lies. The liar must know what is true in order to lie. I suppose the final truth is the end of all lies.

Which brings up another philosophical problem: How would you categorize a "BSr "? One who BS's doesn't care about truth, only outcomes. In addition, I think a good BSr often doesn't need to know what is true. (whew! I just gave myself a chill).

I heard this on a radio program the other night.

[off:topic] but maybe a good subject for a new thread yorkie? the latter subject..

<font color="gray">I'm not sure I agree that truth is the absence of lies... but perhaps the absence of non-truth. (someone could be telling misinformation without knowing they are being a liar) Again, though, imo, non-truth TO WHOM? My truth might not be your truth. If it's mine, not yours, does that make me a liar to you? I think not.

I wish I could think more about this... about what would I want in a "FINAL TRUTH" or even in truths that lead up to it??/

Isn't "BSing" lying? Then it's not any kind of truth; first, final or inbetween. LOL