Still searching for the elusive Final Truth

Has anyone found it?

Is the final truth that there is no final truth?

I need to get out more.

-Ray

Hi Ray. Maybe we don't find it till our "final" day.

Perhaps, Ozzie. Perhaps.

I still need to get out more.

-Ray

I probably need to get out more too. I'm betting a lot of us here need to.

My personal belief, is that the "truth" is that life is all about searching for the truth... that is our own personal truth and the way we interpret it.

The key is that life is about that journey of discovery... always seeking answers, always gaining more knowledge, always becoming more enlightened.

(*blip*, per Dexter, by LMo)

Like Ozzie said, I agree that if and when one would ever acheive that "full truth" it would signify the end of that journey. You could think of it as the end of life or moving on to a higher plain of existence where a new journey begins or whatever you believe it to be.

So keep searching toast... and I agree that "getting out more" is a good goal... that's the best way to explore things and explore yourself, which is what we are really seeking, I believe. Not just "how the world works" but "how do we fit in"?

MMIT,
You wrote,[...has anyone found it?...].
Yes.
Lou

MMIT,
You wrote,[...is the final truth that there is no final truth?...].
What has been revealed to me is the truth that one could use to overcome all things and be made free.
Lou

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Yeah, Sweety. You need to get out more often. Even the "Final Truth" keeps evolving. It's a journey not an end result, like Dexter says. It's your own truth, your personal experiences and how the Truth comes to You.

MMIT,
YOu wrote,[...has anyone found it? (the elusive final truth)...]
What truth about {what} are you searching for?
Could it be any of the following?
A. The truth about our origin?
B. The truth about what our purpose is here on earth?
C. The truth about what happens to us after death?
D. The truth as to if there is a way to overcome our afflictions?
E. a combination of the above
F. none of the above
G. all of the above
H. something else?
Lou

MMIT,
When I became enlightened, the truth became as a light to my path. The truth changed my life so that it was the beginning of a new life. Old things had passed away, all things were new. I could see what was hidden from me. The secrets of the final truth were revealed to me.
I say that if you seek, you will find the truth. I say that if you are heavy laden, you could find rest in the truth. This truth has been the shield that delivers me from fear and supplies hope to overcome all things.
Lou

Of course there are different definitions and interpretations of "truth", "enlightenment" and "discovery"...

My post was only meant to illustrate one possible view using one possible set of definitions. I did not intend to present my statements as "absolutes".

I apologize if it seems like my post contradicts the posts of others... although the wording may be contradictory, I truly believe that each person's discoveries are their own and are all important to understand and are all valid, just as much "the truth" as what I personally believe.

I wrote: Anyone who claims to be truly "enlightened" you can be sure is mistakenly so...

Lou wrote: When I became enlightened, the truth became as a light to my path.

Obviously Lou and I have different views on "enlightement" as a concept. I do not believe Lou's statement to be untrue within his beliefs. Taken together my statement does appear to make a judgement on his statement and on his beliefs. I did not intend to do that, nor do I believe that my opinion is any more "valid" than anyone elses, nor do I even believe personally that Lou is "wrong", I was speaking only within the framework of my overall view of the question, and I have always believed that from another framework other statements are equally true.

The rest of Lou's statement in fact matches part of the point I was trying to make. I believe that possibly my views of this match Lou's in many ways. Or maybe I am misinterpreting and Lou believes that my views are wrong. Either way all views are presented honestly and are valid. Unfortunately I phrased my view as an "absolute" and I apologize for that.

I don't think it is appropriate to further discuss this point here, other than the fact that I wanted to make a personal apology to Lou and to express my hope that others aren't inhibited from posting on this.

I am also going to ask if one of the moderators can and will remove that sentence from my original post.

Dear Mymind

I think the final truth is different for everyone. Maybe there is no final truth, Maybe the final truth is paradise, Maybe it is right in front of our faces and we just can't or won't see it. I think that what ever that final truth is for everyone it could be different. I sure hope that Murders don't have the same final truth as me and I hope my final truth is better than the people who discarded me. What ever the final truth for you maybe I think that yours is going to be awsome, Because you are a person who deserves that

Thinking of you
Leora

IMO cognitively we might find the "final" truth, but are unable to be fully enlightened until we are no longer hindered by physical bodies. It's obvious, to me, that everyone needs to keep seeking... especially those who think they don't need to.. imo ... How would we know what the "final" truth is, unless we have quit looking for any other truth.. that only means WE decided it was OUR final truth? There might be more truths out there to find!

Heck, I should be more thorough before asking such questions.

What do I mean by "truth"? What is the definition of the word?

Can IT be summed up in a sentence?

Thank you for all the replies. It has been quite interesting to see this from many perspectives.

I'm questioning what "truth" means and I'm sure I'll end up pondering what "what" means, if a few minutes.

-Ray

Let's stick with "truth" ok? First, if it is "elusive" does that mean we'll never find it?

I am Catholic & you see we believe what Christ told his followers.."I am the way, the truth, and the light." That sums it up for me.Hope this post does not offend anyone..as I in no way impune anyone for what they believe or don't believe.

Hi doesn't offend me, and I am a strong believer as a Christian. But I am also a philosopher.. and like the thoughts (((toast)) presents...

In my experience... truth is relative. My truth is relative to me, your truth is relative to you, and our truth may not be their truth.

To me, existence is maya - illusion, and all my existence is spent trying to remove that sparkly veil & get to the raw underbelly of truth... but to other people what I see as the illusion is the truth - it doesn't make them false, and it doesn't make existence false - at least not to them.

I have a fortune cookie message taped to my computer: Truthful words are always beautiful, beautiful words not always truthful.

nice thought (the cookie's saying) and it's obvious that is something you have created as part of your truth. (tis ok ) Truthful words are not always beautiful, to me. It's a nice thought, and of course I get the gist of it... sometimes "truth hurts."

WOW! That really sounds like quotes from the Bible to me! That's not allowed here, Lou.

Lou

The Final Truth common to one and all is that everyone will die. But I don't think that's what you want.

You know folks, you can think the truth is going to be a grand and wonderful thing, but I'm thinking it's going to be a matter of getting down and dirty with the crap of whatever happened to you in a time period you can barely recall. It could have been a few really bad months that put you where you are today, and you couldn't make sense of it then, and so you can't make sense of it now. The trick is figuring out what was recorded in that brain that makes you think what you think NOW. Throw in the feelings of a child unable to form a comprehensible sentence, emotions that are next to barbaric and animalistic in their nature, and you have chaos at its inception.

sara1010,
You wrote,[...the final truth...evryone will die...].
It has been revealed to me that one can overcome all things, including death.
You wrote,[...you know... you can think the truth is going to be a... wonderful thing....but I think it is going to be...down and dirty...].
I have been revealed that there is a choice to be made by us as to if there is going to be a surprise or not in That Day.
You wrote,[...the trick is figureing out what was recorded in that brain...]
Could not what was recorded be written over by having a new mind?
Lou

Sky,
You wrote,[...if it (truth) is elusive, does that mean that we'll never find it?...].
If one was looking for something elusive, they could find it by using several means such as devoting all their heart into finding it. If they are not looking for it, they could still find it by accident, or being shown where to look, or for the thing to find them.
With all these possibilities, I think that even if many are like lost sheep themselves, they can still find the truth, or have the truth be found by means other than seeking it.
Lou