Dateline Predator Series

A pedophile is a predator......... They are not just nice guys wanting to make a lil child feel good... I also read somewhere it is a control issue...I will have to find where I read that.......Lets not make "excuses" for them..... ok

There is not one single ounce of me justifying what these men have done, are doing, and are plan on doing. I think the attempt to sleep with a minor is not only disgusting and seriously disturbing but very illegal. Even in prisons the child molesters and pedophiles have to be protected because not even their fellow inmates respect and understand what they have done. I would never consider the "attempt to sleep with a minor" just a simple crime. That's not at all what I am trying to say.

What I meant by saying "the attempt to sleep with a minor" was comparing the fact that it was a failed try and they were not charged with actually sleeping with a child, stalking a child, or molesting a child. Just the attempt part.

For some reason people have taken that sentence and took it as if I was "simply" saying it was just a little ol crime. I'm sorry if it sounded that way, but that is not what I meant at all.

Still my mind is set on the fact that every person, even online perverts, have their rights as Americans. I just look back to when I was 13/14 and I cannot imagine discussing mature sexual conversations like a grown woman would. Even if the 13/14 year old has had sex and is experienced there is no way they would know sex like a full grown woman. A full grown woman knows what makes a man spin. A 13/14 knows what gets them attention. It's an entirely separate issue.

This is kind of personal but when I was 14 my first boyfriend (the one I lost my virginity to) was 19. Every boyfriend following that relationship was much older then me. When I was 15 I had a relationship with a 26 year old for two years. Then when I was 17 I met my husband who is 11 years older then me. I'm not saying these relationships were appropriate because now that I look back I think they were actually kind of crooked and those men I was with easily controlled my every move. I understand the manipulations and mind games older men can do to younger girls.

I still continue to believe that these men were lured by older woman and men and that it was a trap. I know that it's a beneficial way to catching a predator, and obvisiouly they have a lot of intent if their showing up with booze and condoms. But still the fact that there is no child waiting there seems to bother me.

I'm not talking about the immoral factor, or what they deserve factor...because if anything, you get what you get. I'm talking on the side of justice and where these people are pushing the lines with the law. I just feel what they are doing is setting these men up for a life time of destruction.

Now if they actually hired a bunch of teeny boppers and sat there and monitored what they typed, and the conversation got so deep that the men wanted to meet these kids, then that I would encourage. That way they can actually be charged and convicted for attempting to sleep with a minor.

That's all my opinion. Sorry if you disagree, but no matter how hard I try to understand the moral and immoral factors on this topic I still think about the law and what's justice. I'm sort of considering human kind, even if their nasty perverts.

And I also wanted to add, that for all those who's experienced the wrath of a child molester and pedophile, I am terribly sorry you had to experience that. But with your experience you can not only express your knowledge from the other side but you can make us understand what these children would experience if these men were to actually catch up with a minor.

Thanks for sharing with us.

These guys didn't at random just find the site where they chatted with the undercover person.. They were SEARCHING / LOOKING for it......... Ummmmm ....... Traps are set to catch various crimes... Being one I can think of is catching drug dealers...is that wrong???

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That's all my opinion. Sorry if you disagree, but no matter how hard I try to understand the moral and immoral factors on this topic I still think about the law and what's justice. I'm sort of considering human kind, even if their nasty perverts.

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desirae,
i guess you are debating "justice" . . . that in itself is a controversial topic.

rights of children (for a safe environment) outweigh a pervert's right to find pleasure . . . that's justice in my view.

i think this description is the most accurate for perverts' personality and psychiatric profile (click link http://samvak.tripod.com/pedophilia.html) see excerpt below:
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Pedophiles seem to have narcissistic and antisocial (psychopathic) traits. They lack empathy for their victims and express no remorse for their actions. They are in denial and, being pathological confabulators, they rationalize their transgressions, claiming that the children were merely being educated for their own good and, anyhow, derived great pleasure from it.

The pedophile's ego-syntony rests on his alloplastic defenses. He generally tends to blame others (or the world or the "system") for his misfortunes, failures, and deficiencies. Pedophiles frequently accuse their victims of acting promiscuously, of "coming on to them", of actively tempting, provoking, and luring (or even trapping) them.

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Therefore, if a pervert uses "entrapment" to lure children, then I think it is justified for law enforcement to use "entrapment" to put these CRIMINALS behind bars (before they violate children).

desirae said "What I meant by saying "the attempt to sleep with a minor" was comparing the fact that it was a failed try and they were not charged with actually sleeping with a child, stalking a child, or molesting a child. Just the attempt part. "

desirare, what are your feelings about the online attempts that don't fail and the child ends up being tortured, raped and murdered?

how do you feel about the fact that no one was there, attempting to protect children, and he got himself a little boy/girl...????

it's okay with you for him to make the attempt? but it isn't okay for someone to try to thwart the attempt?

they have the right to attempt to catch a little girl or boy to rape?

is this what you really mean? because it's what it sounds like to me.

i'm curious about how much of the real news you read and watch on television?

have you ever been to a funeral for one of these children that the pedophile killed? i have.

i'm feeling a huge disconnect between what is going on in the real world and how you're spinning it in the name of justice for the rapist/murderer/torturer.......

i am completely confused about your defense of a pervert "attempting" to lure a child for their gratification........totally confused.

everyone . . .

I think desirae is very brave discussing her opinion. I'm sure she is not alone in her viewpoints on this topic.

This thread can be very educational if we don't inflame others for their opinions.

fayerody . . . you asked a lot of good questions. i am also feeling a disconnect. you've expressed it well.

OK, going out on a limb here, so I'm going to try to write exactly what I mean, so don't put words in my mouth if you disagree.

First, let me make it clear that I have no use for predators...I think most, if not all cannot be rehabilitated, and should probably spend most, if not all their lives in prison. I also feel that if we can get 'em before they hurt a child, well, that's a good thing.

However, I must confess that this whole thing makes me uncomfortable...it is awfully close to arresting someone who is thinking about a crime. I do understand that what is being done is interrupting a crime in progress. Still, I think that this is getting very close to the line. We've given away quite enough of our civil liberties over the last half-century or so, and I think we must be very cautious in how we do such things.

Still, the nekkid guy with cat...I have a very SPECIAL place for him!!!

DJ

I doubt this was these guys "first" time...... Just asking.... If you had a 13 year old daughter.. How would you feel if a 30/40 year old man was trying to "get" with her... And if you caught him, what would you do??? Just curious

You know, we can talk this till Hell freezes over. The important thing here is WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??? Keep talking or are we going to put our money where our mouth is?? Let's talk to our legislators and make them increase the penalties for rapists and child molestors!

What good does it do to catch them if the laws aren't in place to KEEP them in prison??

I feell so tired/exhausted... Going to take a nap and cover my head with the blanket..... lol . will think on what should be done about it later today ..

I do, in fact have two daughters. I also thought that I made myself very clear as to what I think should happen to these guys.

DJ

DJ, I understand you position very well. It's the same as mine and most of the opinions expressed here. The only difference, as I can see, is that your feelings aren't quite as intense as mine, anyway. That's okay.

You are probably "wiser" in stating your opinion than I am. You would exercise caution, where I wouldn't.

*I* know what to do!! Write to your legislators some pretty strong views on how you feel about the laws that take care of these creeps!! Jessica's Law. Push for enforcement and LIFE IN PRISON, first offenders or not!! DEATH for those that murder their innocent victims!!! If we put first offenders away for live, chances are death penalties would be very few. These creeps escalate the more chances they are given!

I have a question, which is mostly why I am hesitant to throw things like the death penalty and castration out there.

What about the falsely accused?

Our justice system is not infallible. On the flip side of things, there are individuals who for one reason or another, WILL claim that that someone sexually abused them in some way.

What happens if they are accused and the trial goes through, and an innocent person is murdered or castrated because of this?

As much as I hate to think about it, there are innocent people in jail and have been euthenized anyway. In a perfect world, this wouldn't happen. But then, in a perfect world there would be no predators.

i agree that desirae is very brave to discuss her beliefs. i also believe that i can question her, as i am very curious as to how she's arrived at her beliefs about predators, etc. i am not doing anything, intentionally, to inflame anyone.

we aren't exactly discussing graffitti signers here.......respectfully, pat

(((((fayerody)))))

oh, one point i want to add to this discussion . . .

technically, not all pedophiles are child sex offenders, but most child sex offenders are pedophiles.

when a pedophile (mentally ill) engages a child for sexual exploitation, then the pedophile becomes a criminal (child sex offender).

thinking sexual thoughts (symptom of pedophilia) about children is not a crime.

attempting to act on those sexual thoughts is criminal behavior.

That's right, jennie. Very well said.

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*I* know what to do!! Write to your legislators some pretty strong views on how you feel about the laws that take care of these creeps!! Jessica's Law. Push for enforcement and LIFE IN PRISON, first offenders or not!! DEATH for those that murder their innocent victims!!! If we put first offenders away for live, chances are death penalties would be very few. These creeps escalate the more chances they are given!

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That's an excellent post, SeptemberMorn. This is what I say, too.

Also, Rainbowzz post after that, about innocent persons, is something I think about, too.

I also want to say to Desiree and DaveyJones, I do think about that, too...much as we want to say, let's get them before they commit a crime (ignoring the fact that the attempt itself is a crime), it is close to "thought crimes." Although I consider it sick, I don't believe there should be any law against thinking about sex with a child, only committing the act.

My brother, who is dead now, had sex with young girls. I know of at least two, but I'm sure there were more. The girls I know about were 14 (my brother was in his 40's at the time), and when my brother's ex-wife caught them (he and his ex lived together), she called the police. One of the 14-year-old girls cursed out the police. I don't know if it's true, but my niece told me when she was young, my brother was babysitting her and her sister and I think one of her brothers, and he came out in an open robe with nothing underneath, and had an orgasm in front of them. I don't know if it's true, because my niece has a tendency to lie (she has problems, and they've worsened as she's gotten older, plus she was hit by a car when she was young and was in a coma for several months). My mom was upset when my dad left me alone with my brother when I was little (he was a teen or possibly an adult at the time), she told me, but I have no memory of anything bad happening.

I guess I wasn't clear on the first response.... Your comment about thinking about doing a crime....... Well these guys were not just sitting at the kitchen table thinking about having sex with minors.........They actually bought alcohol, condoms and drove in their little cars to a house where they expected a l3 year old to be...... this is way beyond just thinking about it... They made contact... and planned to follow through........ Big difference from JUST THINKING ABOUT IT...........

I didn't say they were just thinking about it. I wasn't talking about the guys on Dateline. I was talking about people in general thinking about it. The guys on Dateline should be locked up, no question.

I am sorry maven... I was responding to Davey"s post to one of my posts...I have no opinion at this point on folks that do have only thoughts of sex with minors..... I don't understand it... for one to just think about it doesn't make sense to me..... thoughts are thoughts... actions are actions.... and i am worn down on this thread... wish i knew how to block it from my view, other than not coming here... cuz i have to peek and see what is said.. and it is getting to me big time .. grrrrr at me....