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Old May 07, 2013, 03:14 AM
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I haven't had any luck with Valerian Root or Kava Kava. I also tried Calms Forte & the Nerve Tonic by this same company. I'm just hard to medicate apparently (or herb-icate too?) But I tried, many times. Quality really matters apparently, and I've taken good quality of both. Valerian with Hops or Passion Flower is supposed to be best. Also liquid form, you can get it in the natural foods store is good, and more effective than capsules. I also tried capsules and tea. But for many people all 4 of these things I mentioned above help.

So I've tried lots of things, and desperate for something to help w/ anxiety and sleep...recently got another suggest - they are homeopathic lozenges, and not very expensive. Called Moon Drops (for sleep) and Calm Drops for anxiety. Apparently they get rave reviews, but haven't worked on me. I love the taste of the lozenges though! I got them from a natural foods store.
The cellar in my house is full of those sorts of HERBAL remedies , there is a massive shop in my town and the sell every herbal remedy know to man and i think in 40 years i tried them all. Now how many worked ???????? NONE , None have enough strenth for mental illness and near all interact with phsc meds. There are more people killed by HERBS than antidepressants , one reason is ever herb med is a different strenth , shrink meds are processed to the trillion same strenth in ever tablet, a herb is a herb crushed at whatever strenth , one tab could be high the next half the strenth. FACT
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Old May 07, 2013, 10:09 AM
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I like Valarian for anxiety, but I don't know not much of a fan of capsule herbs...since I find them to be more questionable than tinctures or herb itself in herb form. So yeah I take it in tincture form or I make tea with it by simmerring the valarian root and maybe throwing in some other herbs to compliment the effects and make it taste better. Made some last night which was good because I started getting pretty anxious and it kept the physical anxiety symptoms to a minimum and allowed me to sleep in spite of it.

It was very strong valarian tea though.

I know valarian can be as effective as benzos for reducing anxiety symptoms but without some of the bad side effects or addictive qualities. Though not so sure if its impossible to build tolerance or become Dependant(though I doubt withdrawls or anything would occur without it like they can with stuff like klonopin).
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I discovered valerian around August of last year during my worst anxiety attack of my life.

It didn't help my anxiety really, in fact I had panic attacks within the first 5 minutes every single time (I do have a fear of any meds). But it did work wonders for my stress! I would be fuming at a point where I was almost swearing (I never swear) at work almost every day because the guests were horrible and the management was so much worse. I was around drugs and creepy men all night almost every night (worked in a hotel) and management never backed me up when it came to the creeps. So I'd drink a cup of valerian root and be so calm and mellow the whole time.

I used the tea though (get it at any vitamin store) and would use one bad, 3 packets of sugar and 1-2tbs of honey. I'd have to chug it because it tastes like it smells. And I haven't drank any of it in about 5 months but on occassion my husband smells it on me, for some reason now when my feet sweat they smell like valerian, I had to throw out my shoes I had during my valerian phase because of the smell.

I would use it again in a heart beat if I needed it though. Come to think of it... I never used it for anxiety, when I was anxious I was always too afraid to drink it. So it might work for anxiety IDK, but I know if works great for stress.
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Old May 08, 2013, 08:31 PM
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I have only recently tried Valerian, and I'd say it is an extremely effective stress reducer with zero side effects.
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Old May 11, 2013, 07:42 AM
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I use it myself usually at night to sleep. It works very well for me. Sometimes I combine it with GABA.

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Old May 12, 2013, 01:41 PM
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The cellar in my house is full of those sorts of HERBAL remedies , there is a massive shop in my town and the sell every herbal remedy know to man and i think in 40 years i tried them all. Now how many worked ???????? NONE , None have enough strenth for mental illness and near all interact with phsc meds. There are more people killed by HERBS than antidepressants , one reason is ever herb med is a different strenth , shrink meds are processed to the trillion same strenth in ever tablet, a herb is a herb crushed at whatever strenth , one tab could be high the next half the strenth. FACT

No. not a fact. How many people killed themselves in supplements? Plus you have to count THOUSANDS years of people using them against few decades of people using pharma meds... with many many many many trials (and many other cases swept under rug).

Herbs don't kill. Or not as much as much strong prescription meds. And it's natural, sorry but it is... our bodies process natural things much better.
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Old May 12, 2013, 02:15 PM
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you said it youself , much stronger are meds than herbs mix both togeather and your nuked. mental illness need strong meds in most case,s herb, s are not for serious depressive illness. You carnt just give up you meds and go on the herb trail. and when you ask for any sort of herd at the herbalist the first thing they ask is are you on scripted meds, and if you are they wont sell you the herbs, please tell me how can you regulate the strenth of each plant that you take like a med. Saint johns wort a week antidepressant, but mix it with a scripted med you my find it may kill you true or false
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Old May 12, 2013, 02:23 PM
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there actually are ways to "regulate" streghts of plants. THe ground it grows in. Season and time of day and month it is picked. May not be as strict as in pharma... but it's not like there's SUCH A HUGE difference in strenght. This is not an X or acid from backalley.

And as "you just can't" there's many yous out there who did it. For some people herbs are sufficient. I am not mixing. Many herbs though are well safe to mix with prescription meds.
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there actually are ways to "regulate" streghts of plants. THe ground it grows in. Season and time of day and month it is picked. May not be as strict as in pharma... but it's not like there's SUCH A HUGE difference in strenght. This is not an X or acid from backalley.

And as "you just can't" there's many yous out there who did it. For some people herbs are sufficient. I am not mixing. Many herbs though are well safe to mix with prescription meds.
Its true you can mix a few with meds when you run it by your GP. I used MAGNISUM cianite for consitpation, but to no avail,lactulose from the GPis far superior it soffens the stool first not just push it out you body and rip all fisser,s in you ARSE. VALERIAN is ok for sleep up to a point but gives head ache, and stinks the hole house out , my family did a runner every time i poped a pill. herbs are ok in minor mental illness but i carnt get over the strenth between tWo plants could be massive and you double doseing from one bottle to another that carnt be right. but has i say im open to anything in mental illness
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eh, from my experience the only plant that has "massive" difference between strenghts is the one you buy in backalley I tried about every plant with mood altering qualities from esoteric/health stores and I picked many on the meadows.... and it's not "massive" difference.

(when it comes to st john's wort it's apparently important HOW you pick it... but small sellers probably know the best way).

And it's better to use dried/powdered plants than the pilled ones. Just make a damn tea and you'll be fine. Yes, valerian tea (I macerate it in cold water for few hours for strenght) tastes gross. But as you said if person has trouble they will deal with many things to overcome it.

Also... there are many producers of plants/aromatherapy/homeopathy... so on, that strongly believe in fair trade principles and that it has effect on the final strenght of the product. You can look them up if that is your problem. You can't really put Pharma and fairtrade in one sentense...
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Old May 14, 2013, 01:34 PM
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I would like to believe you i really would , i have given every thing a try i am open minded , i tell you the top of my wardrobe is like a herblist shop, but i could not pick one up and say this say worked for me because none have. But im useing tablet form from Holland and Barret,s, your saying use powdered . But if herbs work on mental illness why is there not funded herbal mental units if they work, im sure the side effects would be more friendly. They have been studied over years so why isnt there mass useage on the NHS. A lot of herbs could be put on the illegal drug list has many are, magic mushrooms ect ect , i dont think personally any herb is for long term use, like must addictive drugs they all come from plants heroin being the biggest , herbs are plants there is a miss trust along the way plus not many coming forward and saying they kept my bipolar away . We no that most meds are addictive ,but they are a lot lot stronger and damage brains need them, herbs just dont cut the mustard.
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Old May 14, 2013, 01:55 PM
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Because it's not just the herbs... just like it's not just the pills. If you count on them alone to save you, are are screwed.

I know for me they worked, not alone of course. Most stuff can chill you out, but will not work for hallucinations for example. And please don't tell me how my case is much milder... I am just saying valerian does work for anxiety/sleep issues. So does catnip and lemon balm or mint or lime tree blomsson or hops.

St John's Wort works for me but alas I get increased photosensitivity.

I get bach essences for the overall crazy (works if i don't forget to take em) and few brain supplements (lecitin, gingo and of course guarana and caffeine).

then there's moodfoods. Omega3, legumen, fish, spices like rosemary, oregano, thyme...

Not saying my way is the best... but it's nice to use the good things from nature. And it's not fair to say "herbs don't work". Maybe it's all you need to be brought down at a comfort level... and from there you can deal with yourself better.

and don!t get me started on "why it's not used massively". We just had one retarded law passed that disallows companies to state on herb packages what it's intented for unless there is a serious sciency-schmiency trial for it (fun fact? Nobody is interested to investigate herb you can buy for one euro per package. Herbalism is just not good business. I actually spend two weeks picking herbs as volunteer... no way you can make big business of it).
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Well it seems to work for you , thats cool by me ,but im not convinced i do take omega fish oil though , why????????? i havent got a clue really. I suppose i have had a rough time with depression all my life, dont get me wrong even in depression things happen that are not open to the normals, in sights into things you wouldnt normally think. And then the joy of remmission when the sky turn,s bright blue an colours all seem bright.
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Hello everybody,

I've shared this information on other forums/websites, and have not had any interesting conversations about it. So, I'm posting it here, in hopes that someone may find this information helpful.

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I found a new herbal supplement that works wonders for me and my anxiety issues. I thought I would share my current experiences with it, in case it helps anyone else who is looking for a natural way to treat anxiety.

I struggle with day/night time anxiety. My symptoms range from heart palpitations, excessive sweating/trembling, stress induced nausea, de-personalization, breathing difficulties, cyclical thoughts, and feeling that I could have a panic attack at any second. The only time I found relief from my suffering is when I was asleep.

I needed relief fast, but I didn't want to start the prescription route. I ended up doing a lot of research on herbal supplements to treat anxiety. (Some of the interesting options are; Kava, St. John's Wort, Passion Flower, Lemon Balm, Chamomile.) So I purchased a bottle of Valerian Root Capsules in 500mg. They are supposed to work as a natural sleep aid, but can also be taken during the daytime.

I've been taking about 1,500 - 2,000 mg a day. (500mg every 6-8 hours.)

PROS:
-You can take it daily, nightly, or whenever you feel stressed.
-No tolerance, no addictions, no known long-term effects.
-Safe. No overdose stories, no allergic reactions.
-Valerian Root naturally contains complex B-Vitamin and Magnesium which also increase calmness.
-The effects can be felt in an hour or less.
-I've read that you can take Valerian Root with things like Melatonin, Passion Flower, Kava, to increase the relaxing effects.

CONS:
-The smell! It can be difficult to get past the stink of the herb, (it's actually known for it's stench) but the effects are worth it.
-Valerian Root is sold in many forms; capsules, tables, extracts, tinctures, and teas. I've heard from many people that the tablets made with "Valerian Root Extract" is not as effective or potent. Make sure to get the ground roots in capsule form, they seem to work best for most people.
-As always, studies with plants and herbs are mixed and insufficient.

(*All in all, Valerian Root is an herbal supplement and may not work with your body chemistry. You should always consult a doctor before adding new medicines to your anxiety-management program.)


Also, I would like to mention that I'm not 100% normal yet.
Valerian Root did not "cure" my anxiety. It only helps me manage the physical symptoms. I still have to watch negative self-talk, see a counselor, and other things. But at least now I can breathe, do my daily tasks, and not feel like I'm dying. (Again, all of this is just my personal experience and what I've learned in using this herb.)

Has anyone else had experience with Valerian Root?
What about other herbs and natural remedies like Kava and Passion Flower?

I hope this helps someone out there who is also struggling and looking for other options to quell anxiety and stress.

Thanks for reading.
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I have been on a gazillion meds for anxiety and they all cause tolerance. Tried other meds but they didn't help. I have been taking kava for years and only high doses work.
I took one 400mg of standardized Valerian with my kava and it knocked me out!
Now maybe I can lower my kava and slowly add more Valerian.
Only Standardized herbs work for me. And yes the odor is putrid but worth it if it helps!
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 02:52 PM
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Hello everybody,

I've shared this information on other forums/websites, and have not had any interesting conversations about it. So, I'm posting it here, in hopes that someone may find this information helpful.

------------------------

I found a new herbal supplement that works wonders for me and my anxiety issues. I thought I would share my current experiences with it, in case it helps anyone else who is looking for a natural way to treat anxiety.

I struggle with day/night time anxiety. My symptoms range from heart palpitations, excessive sweating/trembling, stress induced nausea, de-personalization, breathing difficulties, cyclical thoughts, and feeling that I could have a panic attack at any second. The only time I found relief from my suffering is when I was asleep.

I needed relief fast, but I didn't want to start the prescription route. I ended up doing a lot of research on herbal supplements to treat anxiety. (Some of the interesting options are; Kava, St. John's Wort, Passion Flower, Lemon Balm, Chamomile.) So I purchased a bottle of Valerian Root Capsules in 500mg. They are supposed to work as a natural sleep aid, but can also be taken during the daytime.

I've been taking about 1,500 - 2,000 mg a day. (500mg every 6-8 hours.)

PROS:
-You can take it daily, nightly, or whenever you feel stressed.
-No tolerance, no addictions, no known long-term effects.
-Safe. No overdose stories, no allergic reactions.
-Valerian Root naturally contains complex B-Vitamin and Magnesium which also increase calmness.
-The effects can be felt in an hour or less.
-I've read that you can take Valerian Root with things like Melatonin, Passion Flower, Kava, to increase the relaxing effects.

CONS:
-The smell! It can be difficult to get past the stink of the herb, (it's actually known for it's stench) but the effects are worth it.
-Valerian Root is sold in many forms; capsules, tables, extracts, tinctures, and teas. I've heard from many people that the tablets made with "Valerian Root Extract" is not as effective or potent. Make sure to get the ground roots in capsule form, they seem to work best for most people.
-As always, studies with plants and herbs are mixed and insufficient.

(*All in all, Valerian Root is an herbal supplement and may not work with your body chemistry. You should always consult a doctor before adding new medicines to your anxiety-management program.)


Also, I would like to mention that I'm not 100% normal yet.
Valerian Root did not "cure" my anxiety. It only helps me manage the physical symptoms. I still have to watch negative self-talk, see a counselor, and other things. But at least now I can breathe, do my daily tasks, and not feel like I'm dying. (Again, all of this is just my personal experience and what I've learned in using this herb.)

Has anyone else had experience with Valerian Root?
What about other herbs and natural remedies like Kava and Passion Flower?

I hope this helps someone out there who is also struggling and looking for other options to quell anxiety and stress.

Thanks for reading.
peace and love.

Does anyone know if it interacts with ssri's or other medications?
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I take valerian root on top of my prescribed meds to calm me down and to sleep. It works well for both if you can get past the stench.
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Does anyone know if it interacts with ssri's or other medications?
I no it STINKS like a dead body and it gives you a headache, jesus you will have breath like a dustbin on that amount , and like garlic it may seep through you pores , personally I think it dose nothing really only stink, its a week herbal med, so I depends how bad you are mentally if bad don't bother , that just my opinion but I tried all that stuff years ago
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 03:31 PM
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There is no disputing of the placebo effect in some folks If you have extreme anxiety, Valerian isn't going to have any noticeable effect.
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