[bigbear68]

Maybe some of you folks can help me to understand this thing BPD that I have. I read some of the other posts, and yes it sounds like me. BUT, I have some other things going on too. Depression, Anxiety, PTSD, suicidal thoughts, self harm, binge eating....are they all just symptoms of BPD or is it the fact that I have them that makes me have BPD. am I just a really really sick person, or not that bad because they are just symptoms. Im scared and confused....would appreciate some input on this. thanks.

[Rapunzel]

They called it "borderline" because it didn't quite fit in the psychosis category, but neurotic didn't really cover it either. Yeah, BPD often seems to be all over the charts. Nobody has wanted to officially say that I have BPD, but it is the dx that makes the most sense to me for what I have, because it's the only thing that brings it all together. BPD can and often does encompass depression, anxiety, self-destructive thoughts and behaviors, dissociation, ...

Then, PTSD can include those symptoms too. I think that PTSD, BPD, and other dissociative disorders including DID are manifestations or degrees of the same thing. Most people who are traumatized later in life (after early childhood) will have PTSD rather than BPD or DID. Children can have PTSD too though. I would bet that a lot of young children with PTSD develop BPD or DID if they are not treated, or if the trauma or abuse continues. They are all reactions to one or another form of trauma. Symptoms may vary slightly, but a lot of them are pretty similar. If you want to get away from all the labels you could just say that you have been traumatized.

Well, actually there are differences in symptoms and people with BPD can also have PTSD from childhood abuse.

At one time there was an arguement about making BPD something like chronic PTSD and extending some of the symptoms, since the majority of BPD clients have reported abuse in their past.

PTSD includes Flashback and things like re-experiencing the event, avoiding the event, etc. BPD does not directly mention these symptoms. Also, BPD has a big issue with abandonment, whereas PTSD may not necessarily have.

Both may have dissociation, self-harm, depression, anxiety.

[bigbear68]

oh God thats me all over...I wish I could not be like this though. From what I have read, it never completely goes away either. I hope I have enough in me to fight all my life for some sense of noramlacy...thanks for the replies.

> From what I have read, it never completely goes away either.

if they say it loud enough they might just make it true.
people do get better.
there is hope for you

[Mouse_]

I've heard it said that BPD is the adult form or Ractive attachment disorder...

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I've heard it said that BPD is the adult form or Ractive attachment disorder...

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Possible Mouse, as some of the symptoms seen in children with RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder) are similar to those symptoms seen in BPD.

There is also some theories about BPD being an adult form of Oppositional Conduct Disorder...?

[Merlin]

with treatment I think it go away in as little a 2 years

[Perna]

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am I just a really really sick person, or not that bad because they are just symptoms.

</div></font></blockquote><font class="post">bigbear, you're not that bad because they are just symptoms. They aren't "you". Labels aren't that useful to therapy clients unless they get some sort of comfort from having a label. You are working with a therapist and/or psychiatrist aren't you? Not good to try to figure out what you have by yourself, everybody has some of everything, how "much", etc. is best judged by a clinician who's had lots of experience and seen lots of different people and their problems.

[perniciousfirefly]

Hiya,
I have had all sorts of problems, which come and go ranging from eating disorders, drinking problems, recreational drugs, and basically self destruct mode. I go out on a mad one thinking i am invincible the later consequences are bad on my life, hence the 7000 quid debts i have for a mad spree of spending on basic crap! The psychiatriasts dont understand think we can stop this behaviour? do we choose to act impulsive? to do stupis things? to have scars on our arms? knackered livers from attempted overdose or alcohol binges? of course we don't but it isnt attention seeking it is something we have no control over at the time! i'm sick of not fitting into what is normal, i am me and i cant help it. but i want to change but it is too much effort being

"normal"

who agrees?

[BootsC]

What I am aware of BPD is that it's hard to get approval for insurance, so they stay away from that label.
The thing about BPD is that it's an instability that can happen within a short amount of time. A 'rage' can go for an hour and then *poof* back to normal. I visit a board that deals specifically with BPD and one thing I've learned is that it almost usually runs co-morbid with other disorders. That's what makes it so confusing. It's the 'abandonment' issue that is pretty consistent. I'm aware that Yale is going to be having a seminar next month that is going to focus on C-PTSD and BPD for therapists and family members. There's two disorders to consider together while thinking of this topic.

[bigbear68]

Thank you all for repling to my post. Please keep talking to me. I need understanding people who wont judge me

[mlpHolmes]

Hi Bigbear!
Remember me from Doc John's Tues.Night Chat last night? I sure do get a lot out of his Chats, & I hope you will too. If you ever want to PM me please feel free, it was nice meeting you last night & make it an awesome day for Yourself!

Treasure Yourself,
mlpHolmes

[Razzleberry]

I'm there with you bigbear. But I don't have a diagnosis yet.

I do have frequent depression...ongoing since at least age 10 but it comes & goes. Binge eating since about age 17. Impulsiveness. Fear of abandonment and afraid of being alone so bad that I stay in a bad relationship just so I'm not alone.

Also some social anxiety or just shyness or whatever you want to call it. I don't talk!

Anyway...I'm also slightly confused at what BPD includes and what the difference is from BPD and some other diagnoses. But an online friend mentioned it to me 2 years ago, and the first time I read that book "I Hate You Don't Leave Me"....I just knew. It was like reading an auto-biography of myself.

You're not alone.

[ECHOES]

Here is a link to an informative site and I'm sure there are many others.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/condi...orderline.html

In addition there are books about BPD to read: "I Hate You / don't Leave Me!!" by Jerold J Kreisman MD and Hal Straus, and one of my favorites: "get me out of here" by rachael reiland which follows her journey through therapy to recovery.

Because the causes/origins of BPD goes back to our earliest development, our subsequent stages of development were affected, leaving us with the symptoms we have. My therapist said she didn't want me to get all wrapped up in the diagnosis (she only confirmed it after I read a lot about it and thought it applied to me). She wants me to just explore with her my difficulties and struggles; we link them to develpmental stages to help me better understand them. Before change comes awareness and that's what we're working on.

Your symptoms will imrpove and you will get better. We could call this "Cotton Candy Disorder" and it wouldn't change anything...we would still have the uncomfortable symptoms we want to find relief from.

[bigbear68]

You all are so nice and helpful. Thank you so much. I really thought I was not like anyone else. I am surprised so many other people feel the same way too. Thanks again! I hope I see you in chat sometime.

[Fuzzybear]

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