[BlueMoon6]

FZ, Tree and Rainbow. I'll start off saying thank you for the Hugs thread, and thank you from the bottom of my heart for allowing the digression there. In a figurative way, I see this issue for me about hugs, about closeness and love. The hug posts before were the catalyst for what came up for me.
I am speechless, utterly speechless reading the responses I got there today. I thought I might bring it to a new thread about what happened today.
What you wrote to me FZ is what is at the core of me. It makes me want to cry and cry and cry. Well, it is apparent that I am bpd, and my feelings for dt are often black and white. Maybe its good that you hadnt read my previous posts about her. You are getting a fresh look at where I am now. I love her, I am afraid of her, I want her, I want her to be something for me that she cannot be and it hurts me to my soul. It hurts so bad.
I had my session today, it was about dt and about my mother and about Sunny's post about her therapist.
I began telling ftt about food issues, that I had some physical probs assoc with not eating enough and it forced me to increase fluids and eat some more. I left 110 behind and am now 114. It is HUGE for me and it brings up a lot of feelings, all momm-related, that I am not good enough even to sit and talk with her. She did point out that I have enough healing to do what I need to do to take care of myself. And I look better, too.
We moved on to desk-t. And my love for her and obsessively missing her. How much I try and try and want her to be the kind of therapist that cares for and loves me. We talked some about some childhood things I used to do to soothe myself that actually hurt the little girl I was and how that hurting made me feel "better." How I hid from my mother's rages. We talked a lot about my fantasy life, my dolls and the world I lived in to protect myself from her and my feelings. I knew it was going to be difficult, but I read Sunny's post about her t to ftt. I couldnt even start reading without crying. I was crying hard and reading it anyway. Im tearing up typing here in Starbucks. The pain and aloneness makes my body hurt. I crave that kind of love from dt, I wanted her to be that way with me, I wanted to be either Sunny's t and have her care for me, or I wanted to be Sunny and have dt know the kind of empathy and caring I have for her. I want SOMEONE to have that kind of empathy for me. At times my h does, but I am afraid of it. I wanted it from my mother, who was mentally ill (according to ftt) and could not, no matter what I tried to do, Id try this, Id try that, Id try to find the one thing, the something that would reach her, Id try to be this or that kind of a child, good, bad or out of her way. Then I would get overwhelmingly frustrated at my inabilithy to find the clue as to what would make her love me. There was no clue, she couldnt do it. My mother often said she didnt want to be a mother. I denied I ever heard that some out of her.I thought she was kidding. She wasnt kidding. She didnt want to be my mother. Even as a child, I hurt myself in very sad ways. Ftt said it was ptsd in the way I described my memories of what I did and what my mother did to me when she was in a rage. It was as if I was in a movie watching someone else.

We talked a lot about Sunny's post, details that had so much meaning for me, as I played different parts in the story. I was Sunny, I was her t. I could not stop crying. And then dt was Sunny's t. I could not get it that dt is not who I want her to be. I want very badly for her to share something of herself, to not have that huge barrier in the way, we talked a great deal about her desk between her and her patients and why it might be there. I cannot let go of her as the perfect therapist, why is she doing this to me? I NEED to idealize her. How could she not know? I know she cares about me, how can she not be able to show it, how could she not have the insight into her own behavior that I want her to have? I love her, please love me back, dt.

When Sunny said she and (figuratively) kissed and made up, I want to kiss and make up with dt. This all brought up who dt truly is, and it makes me so sad. Although is smart, experienced and has been a t for almost 30 yrs and has the science of therapy down, she does not have the art of being a therapist. She needs the barrier, she needs the distance from her patients and it triggers the need for my mother in me. It is almost (almost) impossible for me to see that dt cannot be the mommy I need, but ftt explained it so gently and so carefully to me that in the way my mother couldnt be my mother, dt cannot be and would not be (in a closure session) the mommy I want. She will never be able to open herself with me the way Sunny's t could. We talked a lot about Sunny's t ability to say the things he did to Sunny. The post speaks volumes about his abilities (and Sunny's ) and his process, and, to me, it is a sharp contrast to dt's lack of ability to be intimate. And my craving for intimacy. And my yearning to make a distant mommy the mommy I want her to be.

Ftt said it is time for me to write another letter to dt. I think ftt is very insightful in that she told me to be prepared that this letter may not be as full of incidences, anger or diappointments, but more feelings. Feelings I had toward my mother.

As far as connecting dt's behavior to something with my mother, I remembered an incident, but it was more of a trauma incident than a wanting of her. I can see how a child might feel that way, but still no connection of feelings to my actual mother. It seems I shut down fromher very, very young. The feelings I have are for dt. They are intense and become more intense as I talk about her and them. I have less of a desire to go see her now. I know (cognitively) that the closer I came to her, it is possible that she was not able to deal with her countertransference issues and she pulled back. But ftt said we can only speculate about her reasons for saying and doing what she did. But chances are, she wont be any different if I go in to see her again. This is a sad, sad and difficult thing for me to believe. It makes me so deeply sad.

FZ- I will read, read, and re-read 1oo times your post about "centering." I read it through once and became speechless and teary-eyed. When I talk about my bpd issues, it brings up the approach that dt had with me, but she never went as far as giving me hope the way your post did. How I can center and ground myself. I was so struck by your story about your gf. And your caring for her and her struggles. It is this kind of understanding and care that I crave. And I have a rich source of it right in my own home, but my fear holds me back, not completely back, but I feel somewhat....restrained. Will I be loved back if I am so open?

I could go on and on....sorry this is so long.
Thanks all

[rainbow8]

I feel honored to be part of your well-deserved journey towards healing, BlueMoon! Thank you for sharing. You're doing great work! I'll write more later.

[Sannah]

Blue, you are doing so well in your therapy!

[jexa]

Blue! You are working so hard and doing so well! You really hit the ground running with FTT, and are doing SO much good work in understanding your behavior and emotions, and it really sounds like you're going to make such, such good progress. FTT sounds like the right T to do it with, too. I have so much hope for you! You inspire me.

[mixedup_emotions]

Such agony in your post.....

I wish I could reach through the computer screen and give you a hug....

You're doing great work, but it hurts a LOT.....You are so brave.

[BlueMoon6]

Originally Posted by mixedup_emotions

Such agony in your post.....

I wish I could reach through the computer screen and give you a hug....

You're doing great work, but it hurts a LOT.....You are so brave.

OMG! Thanks, MUE! I wish you could, too. I wish I could give you a hug, too

It really does hurt, I thought Id start my next letter to dt tonight, but I cant. I will this week, but I cannot do it tonight. Probably its not a good idea to push myself.

[rainbow8]

I think you've done enough emotional stuff for one day, BlueMoon! I hope you get a good night's sleep.

Blue, you are working so hard! Take care of yourself!!

[mixedup_emotions]

Originally Posted by BlueMoon6

OMG! Thanks, MUE! I wish you could, too. I wish I could give you a hug, too

It really does hurt, I thought Id start my next letter to dt tonight, but I cant. I will this week, but I cannot do it tonight. Probably its not a good idea to push myself.

I agree with the others. Try not to take on too much at the same time as it could leave you overwhelmed and emotionally depleted. I think it's good that you recognized that it was not the right time to work on your letter to dt. One step at a time....

[BlueMoon6]

Originally Posted by mixedup_emotions

I agree with the others. Try not to take on too much at the same time as it could leave you overwhelmed and emotionally depleted. I think it's good that you recognized that it was not the right time to work on your letter to dt. One step at a time....

Thanks. I feel really depressed today. I was supposed to go to an appt for a check up with my primary care doc this morning but I missed it. I cant get out of bed. I came to the computer instead. Im supposed to go out tonight (dinner) with some girlfriends. I feel like I cant move. Im just here with my 2 yo at home today, its the most I can do today to take care of her. Maybe its all hitting me now? I dont really connect it to yesterday's session, but it must be.

Originally Posted by BlueMoon6

Thanks. I feel really depressed today. I was supposed to go to an appt for a check up with my primary care doc this morning but I missed it. I cant get out of bed. I came to the computer instead. Im supposed to go out tonight (dinner) with some girlfriends. I feel like I cant move. Im just here with my 2 yo at home today, its the most I can do today to take care of her. Maybe its all hitting me now? I dont really connect it to yesterday's session, but it must be.

Hang in there, Blue. I often have a similar delayed reaction and am experiencing that today, sadness from yesterday's session discussion. All we can do is move through it and ask for support. ((( )))

[rainbow8]

(((((BlueMoon)))))

It's probable that your depression has everything to do with your session, unless you have other symptoms like a fever. Please rest and try not to think about your session. I know that's easy to say, hard to do. Hug your daughter, and take it easy. You've been through a lot, and it makes sense that it tired you out.

[BlueMoon6]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker9

Hang in there, Blue. I often have a similar delayed reaction and am experiencing that today, sadness from yesterday's session discussion. All we can do is move through it and ask for support. ((( )))

How did it go, Dream? Did you talk about the collage?

I am just going with it, not sure if I will go out to dinner tonight Unless it might be good for me. There are things going on in my house and I want to be here to enforce some new facebook rules we have in our house with our teens. I hate to leave. I also hate to be a police sergent.

((((((Dream)))))) we can do it Deep breath.....

[BlueMoon6]

Originally Posted by rainbow8

(((((BlueMoon)))))

It's probable that your depression has everything to do with your session, unless you have other symptoms like a fever. Please rest and try not to think about your session. I know that's easy to say, hard to do. Hug your daughter, and take it easy. You've been through a lot, and it makes sense that it tired you out.

Thanks Rainbow. I am spending the day doing nothing. Im usually so busy during the day and I feel like I have checked out of life for a day. No fever. But I do have my 8 yo son home here with me with a fever and my 2yo is playing. Its comforting to have them here with me.

Thanks.....

Originally Posted by BlueMoon6

How did it go, Dream? Did you talk about the collage?

I am just going with it, not sure if I will go out to dinner tonight Unless it might be good for me. There are things going on in my house and I want to be here to enforce some new facebook rules we have in our house with our teens. I hate to leave. I also hate to be a police sergent.

((((((Dream)))))) we can do it Deep breath.....

No doubt, we can do it!

I posted about the collage in the art therapy thread. We are going to discuss it tomorrow, T wanted to keep it and look it over before we really talked about it - yikes! I'm so curious now about what she's gonna ask me!

[peaches100]

Hi Bluemoon,

I just read your post, and you are doing so much soul searching. You are being so brave and honest. I feel privileged to be able to witness and share what you're going though! Thanks for being willing to open yourself up enough to share it here. There is much about your struggle that resonates with me, particularly in my deep painful yearning for a mother figure. PC is a blessing. We can learn so much about and with each other.

[BlueMoon6]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker9

No doubt, we can do it!

I posted about the collage in the art therapy thread. We are going to discuss it tomorrow, T wanted to keep it and look it over before we really talked about it - yikes! I'm so curious now about what she's gonna ask me!

I am SO looking forward to how that session goes. ((((Dream)))) We can do this.....

I never know which thread I can reply to what. I finally found the collage thread and replied there

[BlueMoon6]

Originally Posted by peaches100

Hi Bluemoon,

I just read your post, and you are doing so much soul searching. You are being so brave and honest. I feel privileged to be able to witness and share what you're going though! Thanks for being willing to open yourself up enough to share it here. There is much about your struggle that resonates with me, particularly in my deep painful yearning for a mother figure. PC is a blessing. We can learn so much about and with each other.

It really is a blessing. Such an incredible gift. I know I would never have been able to say and do the things I have with t (either t) without the support I have here. Also- the level of understanding and what i have learned, about others and about myself.

I am surprised that I am willing to be open here. I usually judge myself and feel foolish when I say what I REALLY feel. It is because of the level of caring and patience the people here have. People here go out of their way to understand and help each other in their struggles. It is touching and I feel SO blessed to be here. Truly.

Thanks, Peaches

((((((((((((((((((sweet blue))))))))))))))))))))

you're working so hard in therapy and growing already! it's ok to just take it easy. i had a couple of days feeling better healthwise and so overdid it. now, i'm like a lump. easy does it for both of us.

[BlueMoon6]

I have an easy morning, I literally have 2 hours here in Starbucks to write to dt and do my homeworks assignment, but I find the words cant come out of me. I want to tell her how much I miss her and how I feel, but I cant do it. I just thought Id post about it, how I am making time to let the feelings come.....there arent a lot of people around me today so it is perfect here.

I'll go try.....

[FooZe]

Originally Posted by BlueMoon6

... I find the words cant come out of me. I want to tell her how much I miss her and how I feel, but I cant do it.

If writing the letter were going to be completely easy for you there wouldn't have been much point in doing it in the first place. I figure it's the process of writing it that's important, more than the finished product. Keep hanging out with it and noticing what comes up for you.

A lot of the things you were going to say in the letter you've already discussed with us here, haven't you? You may find that they're all still true for you but you're now encountering some barrier(s) that you'll need to get past in order to say them. Or you may find that something different is true for you now, or that you're not ready to say anything at all yet. I'd recommend (you probably already knew this) that you take what you get.

[BlueMoon6]

Originally Posted by Fool Zero

If writing the letter were going to be completely easy for you there wouldn't have been much point in doing it in the first place. I figure it's the process of writing it that's important, more than the finished product. Keep hanging out with it and noticing what comes up for you.

I am noticing that as I write, I get younger and younger and have to "grow up" when I close the laptop. It has happened a few times that I am consciously noticing it now. A young child is writing.

A lot of the things you were going to say in the letter you've already discussed with us here, haven't you? You may find that they're all still true for you but you're now encountering some barrier(s) that you'll need to get past in order to say them. Or you may find that something different is true for you now, or that you're not ready to say anything at all yet. I'd recommend (you probably already knew this) that you take what you get.

The things I wrote in the first letter was more, Why did you do this or that, and specific instances when I felt hurt or wanted more from her. It was long. When I wrote it, more confusion came up. I felt confused as to why someone who I idealized and I thought was doing a good job with me, did these things that were not nice. How could she do this to me? How could she be this way?
This letter is a little bit different. I feel like a young girl who wants her to love me. I feel sadder. I feel more than I did writing the last letter.

I am trusting whatever comes out of me. In the past I might have judged it and thought it was stupid and been embarrassed. Now, I am just letting it flow. It comes from the deepest part of me, and Im OK with that. I think...when I read it to ftt, I'll feel very exposed, Im sure.