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Old Oct 28, 2011, 11:06 AM
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I sent this to T last night:

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First of all, please know that this is not a list of demands. It's not a list of conditions. It's just what feels like what I need to feel safe in order to terminate therapy the way you want me to.
This is a lot to read, and a lot to think about. You don't have to read it right now, and you don't have to reply. I just ask that you read it before I see you next, and take some time to think about it so when we talk we will be on the same page.

I need to know that you want to continue to work with me.

I need to know that this isn't personal. (it being: you choosing to end therapy)

I need honesty from you about that, and about whether it is in fact personal.

I need you to not address therapy interfering behavior with me between sessions. I need to address that stuff within the sessions, and if it occurs between sessions then I need it to wait.

I need you to accept me where I am. Not where you think I should be, not where I appear to be,not where I used to be, but where and who I actually am.

I need you to continue to believe, and to tell me, that I can change and that I am changing, and to help me do that.

I need you to coach me, not by saying "use the skills," but by either asking me what skills I've used, asking me if I can think of a skill to use, or telling me what skill to use. Just telling me "use the skills" is like a basketball coach telling his players "play basketball!" It has to be more specific than that.
I need you to be available to coach me.

I need to relearn, or just brush up on, the distress tolerance skills as well as relearning the emotion regulation skills.

I need you to help me explore what I'm feeling and help me find ways of coping with that.

I need you to explore your own feelings with someone other than me.

I need a lot of reassurance. It is part of the way I think, I question everything. If someone said something yesterday, is it still true today? I sometimes need more reassurance than other times, and I sometimes need the same reassurance over and over and over.

I need you to be consistent and calm.

I need you to observe and respect your limits so you don't reach a point where you are unable to be calm and consistent with me.

I need you to observe and respect my limits, too.

I need a plan for what is going to happen during the rest of my therapy, and a plan for afterward.

I need a gradual tapering off in a time frame that works for me.

I need to have time to talk about the things that are going on in my life.

I need this to end well because if it doesn't I'm afraid I will never allow myself to trust anyone again.

I need validation that what I'm experiencing is "normal" and that I'm right where I should be. That pain is part of the process, and not a sign that something is wrong.

I need to know that you care about me, and that you will continue to care about me.

I need to know that I'm going to be okay.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 11:17 AM
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I sent this to T last night:

Zoo- That is an AWESOME list. It is well thought out and very easily understandable, and sounds like you have accepted your T's recommendation and respect what your T has to say ( even if you are struggling with it- which I totally get) I'm so proud of what you've done here- and I think your T will be too.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 11:22 AM
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kare, thank you.

I hope my T is proud, or at least accepting and not angry. There is a very childlike part of me that is terrified of T's anger and starving for T's acceptance and approval.

Acceptance is what I'm working on right now. I can continue to be angry, hurt, and confused by therapy ending, or I can accept it as one of those things I cannot change, and instead work on changing my thoughts and feelings about it. Acceptance is the only way out of the pain I'm experiencing right now, because refusing to accept is just throwing myself up against the razor wire over and over.

I texted T last night and asked "do you hate me?"
she wrote back this morning and said: "Molly. No, I do not hate you. I care about you a great deal and I want to teach you the skills so you will have an easier time in life."
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 12:02 PM
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WOW what a list. This is terrific. Karebear said it all for me too.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 12:13 PM
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I am so impressed. Not only do you know your needs but that you're able to express them so well. This should help your T better understand you. Again, I'm wowed.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 12:19 PM
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Zoo, I am so PROUD of you, too! It's very succinct and gets right to the point!
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 12:39 PM
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Bravo Bravo!!
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 12:45 PM
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I need you to help me explore what I'm feeling and help me find ways of coping with that.
I need you to explore your own feelings with someone other than me.
I love you, Zoo. You are a wonder.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 01:07 PM
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Thats an amazing, well thought out list! Good for you!
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 04:07 PM
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I'm having a lot of doubts and fear about having sent that to T. I keep thinking she's going to look at it and say that is too many needs, too much self-centeredness. Or that she'll say I don't care what your needs are.

So thank you all for your positive responses, it is soothing.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 04:16 PM
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I think it is awesome that you know what you need and are out to get it. Good for you Zoo!!
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 05:22 PM
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I'm having a lot of doubts and fear about having sent that to T. I keep thinking she's going to look at it and say that is too many needs, too much self-centeredness. Or that she'll say I don't care what your needs are.

So thank you all for your positive responses, it is soothing.
I. So. Get. This.

I've thought alot about your list today. Part of what I like about your post, isn't JUST the list but the control you have taken back in your own life. It does not come across as demanding, needy or self-centered. It comes across as confident, assured, and mature ( not to mention, very well thought out)!

When do you meet with your T again?
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 06:31 PM
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I have an appt with her on wed.

I'm in so much pain, and it feels like the same pain I've always had. I have to keep reminding myself that I'm handling this better then I have in the past. That shows progress, even if I can't feel the progress.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 06:41 PM
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Zoo,
You stated that your worried that your T is going to say it is too self centered. But your T is supposed to be about YOU. It is not supposed to be about you supporting your T. Stating your needs in a calm, way like this is not inappropriate. Your T can now look at your needs and let you know which ones she will be able to meet. And then you can see if you can negotiate any that are left over. I think writing them out like this is an awesome way to let her know what you need.

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Old Oct 28, 2011, 07:45 PM
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I have an appt with her on wed.

I'm in so much pain, and it feels like the same pain I've always had. I have to keep reminding myself that I'm handling this better then I have in the past. That shows progress, even if I can't feel the progress.
I am so sorry for the pain. I can relate. I seem to run around and around in circles with it with little relief.

I wish and hope it will be better for you one day.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 07:51 PM
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lostintermination, I was thinking about what you said about how I am taking back some of the control. I guess before this my only choice (in my mind, anyway) if I wanted to be in control was to quit. I could do things Ts way, or I could quit. This list is maybe me taking a look at the gray areas in between that black and white.

I think the idea of negotiating is a good one, because that is a word that T has been using, too. I was in too much pain, too much denial, resisting reality too much to negotiate the last time I saw her. I couldn't enter into that discussion with her because I was stuck in "But, but...it doesn't have to be this way!".

Ultimately, it does have to be this way if T says it has to be this way. So, yes, I could walk away, or I could enter into the conversation and attempt to get some more of my needs met so I can be stronger before we are really all the way done.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 07:56 PM
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what you wrote is amazing, zooropa. I wish i was as clear about knowing what I need. I hope your therapist responds in a way that is helpful to you.

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through great effort and willpower,
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there is nothing to do or undo.
Whatever momentarily arises
in the body-mind
Has no real importance at all,
has little reality whatsoever.

Don't believe in the reality
of good and bad experiences;
they are today's ephemeral weather,
like rainbows in the sky.


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Old Oct 28, 2011, 08:41 PM
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Zoo, you really are amazing!!! That is a W O N D E R F U L email!!!!!!
Bravo to you for asking for exactly what you NEED from your T!!!!!
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 10:06 PM
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you guys have done so much to help me feel better about my list of needs. Thank you so much.

rainbow_rose, I also hope my T responds positively to it, and when I read your post I realized that whether she does or not is on her. Her response is about her, it's not about me. And if she responds negatively, as much as that would hurt and upset me, now I have this list and you can bet that I will be showing it to any potential new Ts.

I learned something about myself by writing that list, and that lesson is mine regardless of what happens next.

I have another email that I've been drafting to T, and I'm going to share it here before I send it because it's much more raw and I think it may be somewhat passive aggressive. I'm not quite ready to share it yet, but I appreciate you all helping me sort this stuff out.
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Old Oct 28, 2011, 10:39 PM
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great list, zooropa. I went thru each item and measured my T against it - he got marked "showing improvement" on some, but he covers the basics. I think you're being very reasonable.
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Old Oct 29, 2011, 01:38 PM
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hankster, thanks for that. I wonder if anyone else would do a sort of mental checklist of their T against my list and give me some feedback? I really hope I'm not being unreasonable or demanding.
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Old Oct 29, 2011, 06:09 PM
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Wow. wow wow wow. Many of those points hit home. My t hasn't been as consistent or calm as I need or ask her to be. Part of me doesn't want her to explore her feelings with someone other than me but part of me knows we'd be better off if she did. Thanks for sharing this. I hope you know how it goes.
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