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Old Jul 25, 2013, 10:50 PM
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Thank-you Rainbow for giving us a better idea of what you want (and don't want). I mean that. I genuinely thought you wanted feedback on your T's strategies (or what she should have known) from the way you worded your initial post, and this is why I posted what I did. I was trying to be helpful and answer what I thought you were asking as a question. As someone else mentioned, I think specifically asking for the kind of responses you want would be helpful. I like responding to you specifically because I really empathize and can relate to some of your struggles around attachment. I used to have my own "pattern" and I know what helped *me* overcome *my* pattern, so sometimes I offer my own perspective in the hopes that maybe the things that helped me will help others, too. But if my opinion is hurting rather than helping, that's the last thing I want to do!

Just to explain what I mean about asking for what you want, I quoted the lines in your initial post that I thought meant you wanted feedback on your T's behavior/technique.


Because I thought those were important realizations that you felt strongly about, my intention was to respond to and validate those realizations. I was trying to validate your feelings that "she should have known" and that "maybe it was her inexperience" and, had she never put boundaries around things like e-mail and hand-holding, you might "never be ready" to gradually give them up. I was not trying to introduce *new* criticisms of your T or even my own unique perspective-- I was simply trying to validate (and agree with) what I thought your reactions/feelings were. I thought you had come to the realization that maybe your T had not handled things well-- and that you were now feeling hurt and lied to as a result-- and I was trying to say "I understand why you feel that way; I think you may be right when you say you knew better than her."

In the future, just make it clear what you want (or don't want) and, at least I, will respond accordingly (or choose not respond). I don't want to give you responses you find hurtful and unhelpful. By phrasing your title as a question and then saying the things I highlighted above, I really thought I was responding in the way that you were looking for. But, as you pointed out, that's not what you wanted. So, just let us know what you want, and you'll probably get a better result.
Thank you, scorpiosis. When I read over what you quoted, I realized that I'm confused. I think the truth is that part of me does think that my T handled me wrong and that she should have had stricter boundaries, but another part is fiercely protective of my T and doesn't want her to have made any mistakes with me! Yet another part thinks the hand-holding and emails were helpful, not hurtful for me.

So I did and I didn't want to be validated! I know, it's confusing but that's the way I feel.

I also still have a hard time sticking up for myself. I still think in black and white. My t is incompetent or she's the greatest. This therapy wasn't good for me, or it was the best for me. I know the truth is somewhere in between. But one thing I do know is that it's okay for ME to criticize her, but I will immediately jump to her defense when she is criticized. I know that's not a good way to react.

Thank you, scorpiosis. I do value your opinions, but this time you seemed too critical of my T so I got triggered. I will try to be clearer in future threads. I think I wanted to focus on the "did she lie" aspect and not the whole therapy.

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Old Jul 25, 2013, 11:11 PM
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You know, you got one hug on your OP. And a lot of answers that sound like they just answer the thread title, so I wonder if people (aside from the hugger and I) really read and comprehended the post? Because the thesis doesnt come together until almost at the end. It's like the reader has to hold all the points made in her head - which occurred over time - until you put it all together in a statement to your t, where you finally "get" what therapy is about. It's not an easy read. But I'm not handing out a lot of A's on this one.

Eta: hmm, I just read the end of your answer to scorpiosis. I still think the reader should respond to the post, not just the title, but that's just me. I usually include other threads by the same poster.
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Old Jul 25, 2013, 11:42 PM
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You know, you got one hug on your OP. And a lot of answers that sound like they just answer the thread title, so I wonder if people (aside from the hugger and I) really read and comprehended the post? Because the thesis doesnt come together until almost at the end. It's like the reader has to hold all the points made in her head - which occurred over time - until you put it all together in a statement to your t, where you finally "get" what therapy is about. It's not an easy read. But I'm not handing out a lot of A's on this one.

Eta: hmm, I just read the end of your answer to scorpiosis. I still think the reader should respond to the post, not just the title, but that's just me. I usually include other threads by the same poster.
hankster, I think you're saying something important but I'm not sure I get what you're saying! I agree about responding to the post, not just the title. I know I didn't handle scorpio's post very well. I wanted to protect myself and my T. The fight in freeze, flee, or fight!?

But what do you mean by my putting it into a statement to my T? Which statement? In my post? Sorry, it's late and I have to go to sleep, but I'd really like to understand better what you mean. What's not an easy read? My initial post? I should think more before I post. You know, I used to always write letters over and over before I sent them. Now I write spontaneously and that's not always a good idea.
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Old Jul 25, 2013, 11:49 PM
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there are parts in the last 3 paragraphs where you make statements to your t. Like 1 sentence each in the -2 and -1, then pretty much the whole last paragraph. I think you did just summarize up your therapy.
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Old Jul 26, 2013, 02:25 AM
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rain, i don't think your T lied to you but she did break a promise to you. the thing is she probably did it for the right reasons because she felt the hand holding wasn't a good thing for you, at least from her perspective. she just should have never promised things she couldn't fulfill in the first place. she's human and makes mistakes just like the rest of us. it doesn't mean she isn't a good T--just a human one.
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Old Jul 26, 2013, 09:21 AM
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But if you don't have that IRL and a therapist attempts to fulfill/replace the needs and wants that would otherwise be provided by people IRL, would this not *potentially* lead someone to not seek this in IRL because they already have it? Does this not potentially take away the motivation (and freedom, in a way) to do this?

If you don't have it, why go out and seek it if you have it in your therapist? But since the therapist isn't always going to be there (and as has been shown on the forum, at times, may not always give the same amount of themselves down the road), then maybe not getting all of this from one's therapist can help *encourage* people to at least seek it elsewhere, as hard as it can be to find sometimes?

Hi Ultramar,
You make a good point. But I am not sure if having that close feeling of care and security from my t would prevent me from wanting that in real life too. A lot of my problem is lack of trust in people and fear of getting close, because I have been betrayed, abused, or misunderstood in the past. Even after several years with my t, i struggle to trust her. So for me, being able to open up enough to trust getting close with my t might be what I need to realize that not everybody is going to hurt or dump me. . .that there are still people in this world that you can trust and get close to. Although it would be hard to give up my t if I had such a close relationship with her, I think that if, by then, I have been able to risk, trust, and attach with her, and then others in my real life, it will be easier for me when I do have to terminate.

Does that make sense?
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Old Jul 26, 2013, 09:33 AM
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Rainbow,

I'm glad to see you are working through your feelings in this thread. I think Hankster is onto something here. . .you initially start a post feeling upset with your t, then people respond - sometimes with criticism of your t because they read how hurt you feel. So then you feel upset that your t has been criticized and defend her. But eventually, you get to the place whare you are able to understand your conflicting feelings and make more sense out of the situation (like realizing that different parts of you feel different ways, and realizing that you have been thinking in black and white). To me, this represents progress. You sort of allow the conflicting sides of you to speak -- and then weigh the input of others -- and eventually come to some kind of middle ground.

That doesn't mean that your attachment problems are solved. But it does show some good cognitive work and self-awareness.
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