Is the point of DBT an attempt to make you feel more broke, more stupid

More ****ing emotionally unstable than you all ready are learning you are???

I don't get therapy. All these 'replace your thoughts with happy things' live in the moment take a ****ing walk??!

Really??!! This is the **** that helps people??

I feel like back in kindergarten learning about ****ing sharing all over again.

Why does it frustrate me so much??? My primary T still thinks I'm stuck in limbo of debating whether I'm sick or not. I'm not doing that!!! I get it, I'm ****ing sick. I want to NOT be ****ing sick and DBT and CBT seems utterly ridiculous to me!!

It's been six months. Yes as T #2 pointed out- I did give up drinking and SI put I have up drinking because I am a stubborn *** and if they say my drinking is getting in the way of therapy, fine. I'll give them that one. SI the more I read the more I realized those who engage in those behaviours are dubbed 'really ****ing crazy' (sorry guys I'm one of you so no disrespect) so I managed to give that up but in loosing those my ED exploded and now I am classified by an ED Specialist 'an over exerciser'. Ummm NO! It's my ****ing healthy coping mechanism. Trying to use the ****ing 'tools' and get penalized for it!! I'm so frustrated.

This **** is ridiculous.

Sometimes I think my sweet oblivion was better than learning how broken my thought patterns are

Oh and now, NOW that I let my husband in on some of this (he who has his own ficking issues he refuses to awknowlwdge and ****s around with not taking his proper dose of Meds and is completely against how many I am on) will throw it back in my face- that is just what your mind thinks or you are filtering only hearing what you want to hear. NO actually I know full well what I heard I talk about something I regards to YOUR mental health and you throw it back at me like it's my ****ed up mind. Well **** you! My messed up mind is stronger than yours!!

Ugh. This rant got off topic fast.

Sorry. I am so frustrated. I have to go through all this crap to do tray work apparently when I thought I would just spill the details get some sort of magic fix, take some Meds for depression and get on with living ****ing life, but nope, I'm 31 and now have to not only see all the time I wasted being off in never never land but now have to spend boat loads of time 'healing'. I just want this **** to be over. I want this expending feeling of doom to want to go away. I want to WANT to live and stop going grouch the motions...

I just don't 'get' how DBT and CBT will gete there and I can't seem to just 'trust the process' when a larger part of me thinks the process is stupid :/

sorry to hear you are struggling so much. I hate dbt also for similar reasons... but I hear it works wonders for others.
hope you can find something helpful...

I think DBT works when you know what you want to get out of it. It's intended for people with interpersonal difficulties, especially as it concerns emotional regulation. It should be teaching you skills for mindfulness and for being less reactive. Sometimes it sounds stupid because it's stuff that consciously we know we should do, yet don't. If we don't have appropriate coping skills then it's necessary to learn them. Sometimes there are strategies and "tricks" to help with the process. Some seem stupid, some are great. It's really hard but and I guess it depends on a Lpt of factors if it's to work like a good group leader, how everything else in your life is going and the place that you're at in treatment. Good luck, I hope it gets better.

Sounds like it's time for you to stop DBT if it doesn't work.

I also find DBT and CBT highly condescending and judgmental. For me recognizing thought patterns and trying to stop them isn't all that useful. I find that it is much more helpful to try and understand what feelings are causing me to act in a certain way, and then to try and look at the injury that is behind those feelings and to try and address it. To me therapy is all about trying to figure out how to really feel, and to let those feelings out. I find that when I start acting out it is usually because I'm triggered by something and I haven't been able to feel the deeper emotions behind it like sadness. I'm frequently defensive because I fear that others will judgement me for my emotions (as they did when I was growing up). I find it is helpful for me to learn when it is safe to emote, and to learn to calm down and do the emotional work that I really need.

Is the DBT and CBT part of the requirement for your treatment? It works best in conjunction with individual therapy so you can get the emotional stuff out there as well. If you don't have a good group leader it probably isn't very helpful but maybe your individual T can help you with it. It's hard if you can't use one of your own coping skills, but there must be a medical reason behind why it's "forbidden". Just like you can replace unhealthy coping skills will other unhealthy ones, you can also replace them with healthy ones. I do agree that presented the wrong way, some techniques sound silly but they are based on actual results. Maybe if you can do some readings on DBT that will help so you don't get too turned off. I've attended groups in the past and lead some groups now and I try my best to avoid stuff that will get me nothing more than eye rolls.

I found cbt to be completely ridiculous and worse than useless. I found it to treat the client like the client was a complete moron.

I totally relate to this! thank you for expressing it so well.

I think that CBT and DBT have their place for some individuals, but that it is also *not* the right course of treatment for everyone. Yes, it has some useful skills, and yes, it works wonders for many people when presented correctly, but the fact that it doesn't work for everyone does not make the people who *don't* benefit from it "resistent" or "unable to understand the skills" (two labels I have been given for not benefitting from DBT)...

Some people benefit from working to change their thought patterns, others benefit from thinking critically about what prompts the thought/behavior patterns and working from there...

i feel you! i've done a number of DBT sessions - particularly mindfulness - as inpatient, and i found it ridiculous, patronising and about as deep as a paper cut.

i'm the same way with CBT. i despise CBT. goal setting is completely meaningless and unhelpful for a chronic depressive who can't see ANY future; it only serves to patronise and make me feel worse than i did when i started because i can't fulfil any of its goals.

'behavioural therapy' in my opinion is no use for people with severe, major depression. integrative therapy is much more helpful.

I understand what you're saying and think this makes a lot of sense. Though I am a big fan of both CBT and DBT, I think there needs to be a specific goal on the part of the client or a deep personal desire to make a very specific change that relates to their behavior. That is why it is used often and is very useful with people with addiction or personality disorders. It's not going to get rid of or help eradicate major depression where more support and insight into their feelings is needed.