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Old Nov 06, 2017, 11:44 PM
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I'm okay right now. We just had dinner. I got him showered. Need to get myself showered.

Because I feel reasonably okay at the moment, I dread going to sleep. I have been waking up horribly depressed in the morning. It can take me hours and hours to climb up out of it, if I do. I don't want to fall asleep just to go all through this climb again tomorrow. The morning lethargy and apathy are disabling. I wonder if a stimulant in the morning would help me get started.
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 10:42 AM
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Part of my plan to lighten the load on myself was to go online to hire another caregiver. I placed an add online. I got some applicants, but I'm scared they might be scammers. I don't have the Internet skills to understand how to navigate my way around on web sites used to recruit caregivers. So now I'm a complete nervous wreck.

I am so beset with anxiety and depression, I feel like I'm cracking up.

I have to go back to bed now. I've been taking extra doses of my antidepressant and of my pain pills. My pain pills are hydrocodone. Yes, I do know that taking pain pills for anxiety is considered a misuse of medication. But I'm absolutely desperate to calm down.

Last night I drank 3 glasses of wine, which I'm not used to. It caused me to wake up feeling awful sick to my stomach. He did snap at me again last evening. He used the "f word" when arguing with me in front of his home attendant. I was telling him that he can't just eat sweets whenever he is hungry. "What the "f" am I supposed to eat?" he hollared. He wasn't cursing me, but just getting mad. I told him I can't take this tension anymore. Later he apologized profusely. He kissed my hand.

I thought I had gotten the attendant to understand that it's not okay to serve him ice cream for lunch. I don't seem to have the leadership ability to get caregivers to perform properly. I understand the caregiver can't be expected to argue with him.

I feel like I do need an emergency break from what I'm doing. But even arranging that would be a lot of work for me that I don't have the energy to do right now.

Maybe I should just not worry what he eats. The attendant was here for 11 hours yesterday, while I tried to catch up on errands I needed to do to manage my own affairs. But when I returned last evening, I had to start cooking for him because he hadn't had a decent meal all day. He and the attendant enable each other. He knows she hates to cook.

He was up at 5 a.m. this morning. Hearing him woke me up. I needed more sleep, but felt too sick and nervous to go back to sleep. Now I'm sleepy. Back to bed.
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 11:02 AM
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Rose I am so sorry you are struggling.

First the icecream, yes I can totally understand that, you are concerned about him. Idk what the law is in US but here we have the 'mental capacity act' with the clause of the right to make unwise decisions, so that would cover his icecream decision.

I think for your own wellbeing letting go of some of these issues may be best. You will wear yourself out otherwise.

As for employing caregivers idk is there an agency which can help you with this? Maybe a charity for caregivers or Alzheimers can advise you on how to proceed?

Hugs to you, you need to share the load, don't take it on yourself.
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 11:12 AM
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You are really afraid of this man's anger. You are trying so hard to care for him because you don't want him to become angry.

Your worry for him comes from the fear that he would become angry at you if you were to discontinue these caregiving behaviors.

Yet you are doing all this caregiving and he's angry at you anyway. His anger is not about you. He is just an angry person. Whether you help or don't help, he will still be an angry person. He is not angry at you, he's angry at life, and you're allowing him to take that out on you because you can't stand his anger. You are personalizing his anger when his anger is not about you. Because you personally are afraid of anger.
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 11:30 AM
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My S.O. snapped at me yesterday morning. I was encouraging him to stand up straight, so I could pull up his pants. He gets irritated with listening to me. I've been awful depressed since.

For over two weeks, I keep falling into severe depression. I haven't even brushed my teeth today, or yesterday. This is a severe reaction to a momentary bit of mutual antagonism. This is the worst I've been since 2013. I've gone to the psych facility, called hot lines and accessed on-line crisis chats. No one I've talked to seems to see what the big deal is. So I've felt stupider and stupider. Finally, this evening, I called a domestic abuse hot line. I felt stupid doing that because I'm not a victim of any kind of domestic violence. There is a long history of not being treated very nice by this guy I've stayed involved with, but no one forced me to stay with him. I'm the one who kept chosing to stay in this relationship. So I have no one to blame, but myself.

The counselor at the DV line was very understanding and gave me encouragement. In 2005, I went to a DV shelter for 3 months. We were living together and I had lost my job. He was pretty disgusted with me for that and had been telling me and telling me what a losers I was. For years, I had been a pretty reliable source of income. I had supported him repeatedly duriing the years that he drank heavily. Back then, he would steal from my pocketbook. I was very generous to him when he had been down and out, and he was very inclined to exploit that anyway he could. Then I was facing failure, and he was good at rubbing my nose in that. While going to support groups recommended by the DV shelter, I learned that it can be hard to extricate oneself from a bad relationship. That is impossible to explain to anyone because it makes no sense. But people experienced with domestic abuse don't need an explanation. So this counselor I talked to was able to hear how hard everything seems to me.

I don't believe in dredging up ancient history, but it seems relevant. My parents had a lot of emotional turmoil in their marraige. I was used to people talking awful to each other. My father was emotionally abusive to everyone around him, including me. In comparison to what I grew up with, my boyfriend seemed to offer a lot of warmth. I was really in love. At times we got along really well and I felt happier than I ever had. There would-be be these episodes of him calling me an effin a-hole, pretty much whenever he was drunk. Then he was always so sorry.

Now he doesn't drink. But he has these spells where he sounds like he just about can't stand me. He pretty much lets me know, from time to time, that he wishes I would just shut the eff up. Sometimes it seems like he finds it annoying to listen to me when he's watching TV, which is whenever he's awake. He needs help for every single thing, as I've explained in threads before. He can't get on and off the toilet without help. I've been telling him he better stop snapping at me, or I'm going to leave. Yesterday morning was like the final straw.

Suddenly, I feel like I don't want to be around him anymore. I have my own apartment 5 miles away, but I can't just suddenly abandon him. He has some dementia and some partial paralysis. I get this way periodically and it blows over. This is lasting and lasting for weeks. I'm very depressed, and he seems to have no concern for that. He never did. He used to say, "You just do that to yourself."

I'm thinking of leaving him. I'm thinking of telling his adult kids that I won't keep caring for him . . . that I need to go home to my own place and mainly worry about taking care of myself. I could also tell the VA social worker that I'm just finally burnt out for good. This is a way bigger decision than I can make anyone understand. He'll end up lisimg his apartment and going in a nursing home. He'll lose all the benefits I worked so hard to get him - the VA pension for aid and assistance and the Medicaid program that pays for a home attendant. Those benefits are a great deal of money that I put a very great deal of effort into getting and setting up for him. Even though they pay for help in the home, it's not help 24/7 - which he requires. And someone has to manage that help - sceduling, etc. Without me organizing everything, it all falls apart.

I am barely managing to feed him and keep him clean. Dishes pile up for two days before I do them. I stay in bed half the day. He doesn't really care what I do. I was doing a good job for the past 3 years. Suddenly, I seem to have fallen apart. Suddenly, I can't stand the way he snaps at me. Suddenly, I look back and think he has never cared much for me . . . except that I came in handy when he had any problem of any kind.

I had problems with depression way before I met him. Maybe I'm just blaming him for my own unhappiness now. With his dementia, he can't really think of sweet, appreciative things to say. But then he was never the grateful type ever. He tells me not to hang around, if I don't feel like staying. He says that I can leave and he'll be just fine without me. Maybe kis kids and the authorities will just leave him on his own to rot here. In this senior apartment complex where he lives, they find people dead in their apartments on a regular basis. No one seems to think that's any big deal. They'll offer him "Meals on Wheels," and tell him he can stay here with just the attendants coming around. He'll wind up covered with feces. Sorry for that graphic, but that's the reality. So, even if I leave, I'll have that worry on my head.

Sometimes, I see no way to untangle myself from his problems. Maybe I'll wind up worse depressed, walking away from him. It will be just one more thing I fail at. That leads me to awful thinking.

I called all over town and beyond trying to find a psychiatrist. I was hoping maybe something like a stimulant drug might help me to spend less time in bed. I could find no one who would see me. Another drug might not even help. In the past, I pretty much tried everything. Someone understanding might help me pull myself together. Usually, they don't say much that's helpful. I dream of just falling asleeo forever. I take Vicodin to try and feel better.
I think there are limits to everyone's kindness, and you have been stretched far past your limits. If he loses benefits, that's his fault for treating people poorly and alienating them from his life. None of his situation is your fault.

I have long felt that you were sacrificing yourself and your health for someone who clearly doesn't value what you do for him. He drank a lot and treated you poorly even when he was capable of caring for himself, and now that he's older he continues to treat you poorly. You have no legal attachment to him, and he's not family. He has kids, he should be their responsibility now. I mean, not to be too blunt, but he's made his bed, let him lay in it.

I know it's hard, and you're very compassionate and sensitive, so the thought of him having to live in a home or suffer in any way really hurts you, but you are not responsible for him. From what you describe, it sounds like you two never really had a good relationship and now you're expected to care for him?

I hope I don't sound cruel, because that's not my intent, but you can't save him from himself. And he's done this to himself.

That's just my opinion.
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 01:09 PM
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We were getting home attendants through an agency, but I couldn't set the hours. And the agency was taking about half the Medicaid money allotted for home care. So we moved to a different Medicaid program that gives me an annual budget and I can hire whoever I want for whatever hours I want. But I can't used an agency for this program. So I put out an ad on Craig's List. But I am reading warnings online that using Craig's list can be dangerous. While I was trying to find my way on their web site, I found myself suddenly looking at photos of nude young women. I guess prostitution is now being arranged on this site. I read somewhere that thieves use this website to gain access to people's homes. So I'm kind of scared to hire through it. I tried to use Care.com, but I could not successfully use the website. My Internet skills are that poor. I couldn't seem to stay logged in to it.

I didn't understand how difficult it can be to recruit caregivers.
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But I am reading warnings online that using Craig's list can be dangerous. While I was trying to find my way on their web site, I found myself suddenly looking at photos of nude young women.

I didn't understand how difficult it can be to recruit caregivers.
Craigslist is a very dangerous website. Anyone with a fake email address can post an ad there. I've know of several people who used Craigslist and were robbed.

The safest way to recruit people today is the old-fashioned way (a newspaper) or through a website that charges fees. These sites do background checks.
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 06:17 PM
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Yes Craiglist is a free for all. It attracts people who don't want questions asked, and there are often reasons why not.

Sorry I'm little help, I know the procedures within my own country to do background checks but not the US.

You can do this, you just need a little guidance. Have you tried charities for advice/guidance?
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 06:39 PM
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Craigslist can be fine if you properly vet people. Ive done a lot of business of CL, its not all pervs and scum. Do a background check, etc. Places like care.com do that for you, so it makes it easier.
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 07:12 PM
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Back to the idea of being snapped at:

There's only so much stress we can handle before WE snap. When we're trying to be kind and helpful, the last thing we need is punishment for our kindness. There has to be limits to our kindness. We cannot be everyone's doormat. This includes our S.O.

If we allow ourselves to be stepped on, pushed over, and snapped at, we enable everyone else to use us as their punching bag. When we refuse to be victims, the abusers will then stop abusing us. We have more control of our lives than we think.
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Old Nov 16, 2017, 09:01 PM
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Thank you all for the warnings. I think I'm going to back away from it. Anyone know about "Angie's." Is that any safer? I will look at the ones that charge fees.

I really appreciate the heads up.
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I sort of understand what you are going through. My Hubs snaps at me all the time. For him this is considered normal behavior as he snaps at everyone in his immediate family all the time. I used to be on the outside of it but I guess I've been with him long enough that I am fair game too.

It does wear you down. You can either stick up for yourself and argue all the time or just continue to be an emotional punching bag. I've chosen to just walk away now literally. I go for long walks or just shut myself in our bedroom. I recently lost my Mom and don't have any friends so there is really nowhere to turn. I can't leave right now cause I am not working and have no other means of support. I feel for you.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 09:33 AM
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On the topic of being snapped at & getting tired of taking it any more, you seem to be on a roller coaster eith this like 3 months sho when he was in the hospital, you had it with him then too.

What I found personally when it came to tolerating H crap, it was like a glass with water dripping into it until it finally gets so full, one last drop make the whole glass overflow. Not good getting pushed to that point & then doing it over & over again. There will be only so mant times that you will be able to handle that overflow & let more drips back in only to overflow again. For me is created a melt down that only walking out (maybe running) could solve & i was in horrible shape & it took a long time to recover even at 2100 miles away.

Please be careful not to push yourself to that point. I know you feel like its not right to walk out. Msybe getting this other care will allow yiu to stay more in your own place & get the distance you need to be able to tolerate him with good things.

Definitely be careful on caregivers & make sure everything is locked up when they are around.

The caregiver my mom ended up having was supposedly an RN for oncoligy patients & a friend of my mother's BF'S daughter who lived axross the street from the BF. She was a scam artist, stole all my moms valuable jewelry before I could get it licked up, tried to steal her wedding ring right off her hand, caught her writing checks (i put stop psyment on so she never cashed them). I caught her on the phone kne morning applying fora CC usjng my moms ID, stole several CC's from my mom, to cover herself up she called APS & the police came out to the house accusing me of abusing my mom which they found no evidence of. Then later that same morning she OD'Ed my mom on her morphine. I made the paramedics take my mom to the hospital because I needed to get control of the situation. That horrible person volunteered to continue caring for my mom in the hospital. I kicked her out, security at the hospital suggested my mom be in there with an alias, I filed a repirt with APS myself & went to the police the next day. There wasnt enough proof for the DA to file charges against her mostly because I stopped payment on the checks. It was such A trauma for me, I swear I eill die before I ever put my own daughter in a situation like that. People said that no one does something like ltat to a nk one like my mom but her little house had value that this person I sure had her eye on manipulating to get. Just beware & dont hire anyone not licensed or bonded. No one should ever go through a trauma like that. i spent the next 3 weeks sleeping in the chair next to my mom's hospital bed because I didnt trust that slme danger would come to her just to get even for me stopping the plot & pin some kind of blame on me. Sounded parinoid but after living through those days of hell I had no trust in what else could happen. Ended up putting my mom in a nursing home close to my home where only select people knew whete she was. What a horrible way for life to end with cancer....sadly because of some bad choices she made herself because of her desire to stay in her own home that wasnt build to meet the needs of a cancer patient.

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Old Nov 19, 2017, 12:27 PM
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Sorry for what you're going through, Tumbleweed, and I appreciate the empathy. There was a brief time when I was financially dependant on my s.o. That seemed to make him behave worse. Like you I felt I couldn't escape, except to just leave the house. Or I would go in the spare bedroom, which I used as my personal space. When I went in there, our dog would lie in the threshold and not let him come in that room. The dog got to where she didn't trust him, and he became afraid of her.

Eskie, that's a dreadful sequence of events to have gone through. At least I do trust the two attendants that have been coming here.
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