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Old Aug 31, 2022, 01:08 AM
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It seems like you want more from this friendship than she’s willing to provide. I also don’t see any point in constantly analyzing and diagnosing her. I am sorry but you could just keep it more casual and less regular if you want her in your life or you can just drop her. I don’t think you can make her to be someone she is not.

You advised her to join meetups or hobby groups or gym. That’s a great advice. Have you tried any of that? Not to meet men but perhaps meet some other like minded people for some socialization. Your preoccupation with this lady seems excessive. Checking if she is online and counting days and hours between replies just seems like unhealthy way to spend your time.

You even started exact same thread on a different subforum again repeating what happened and quoting her messages to you. I know it’s upsetting when relationships snd friendships don’t go our way. But it happens
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Old Aug 31, 2022, 01:15 AM
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It seems like you want more from this friendship than she’s willing to provide. I also don’t see any point in constantly analyzing and diagnosing her. I am sorry but you could just keep it more casual and less regular if you want her in your life or you can just drop her. I don’t think you can make her to be someone she is not.

You advised her to join meetups or hobby groups or gym. That’s a great advice. Have you tried any of that? Not to meet men but perhaps meet some other like minded people for some socialization. Your preoccupation with this lady seems excessive. Checking if she is online and counting days and hours between replies just seems like unhealthy way to spend your time.

You even started exact same thread on a different subforum again repeating what happened and quoting her messages to you. I know it’s upsetting when relationships snd friendships don’t go our way. But it happens

Yeah I know it's a bit obsessive me checking days I between messages.
I do have traits of BPD so rejection is really hard for me.

I do go to a drawing class at the evenings every Monday but that's about it so far.
I get really anxious going alone in groups or how to randmonly go up to someone and say "hey"
I always think I need a reason to approach and talk to someone than just the sake of it.

Or who is approach and say hi while everyone is talking to other people.
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Old Aug 31, 2022, 01:26 AM
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Yeah I know it's a bit obsessive me checking days I between messages.
I do have traits of BPD so rejection is really hard for me.

I do go to a drawing class at the evenings every Monday but that's about it so far.
I get really anxious going alone in groups or how to randmonly go up to someone and say "hey"
I always think I need a reason to approach and talk to someone than just the sake of it.

Or who is approach and say hi while everyone is talking to other people.
If you join meetup and go to the activity like eating lunch together you’d be forced to talk to someone sitting across or next to.

Or join book club. You’ll usually talk when your turn comes and groups are typically small.

Or go to meet where you don’t need to talk like watching movies but overtime you’d develop some courage.

I’d not be interested in meet ups where I have to debate who to approach. Go to one’s that are set up for your style of communication.

You can also volunteer somewhere or get a second job. Maybe just getting yourself busy with life you’d not be thinking about her as much.
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Old Sep 17, 2022, 04:55 PM
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If you join meetup and go to the activity like eating lunch together you’d be forced to talk to someone sitting across or next to.

Or join book club. You’ll usually talk when your turn comes and groups are typically small.

Or go to meet where you don’t need to talk like watching movies but overtime you’d develop some courage.

I’d not be interested in meet ups where I have to debate who to approach. Go to one’s that are set up for your style of communication.

You can also volunteer somewhere or get a second job. Maybe just getting yourself busy with life you’d not be thinking about her as much.

UPDATE:

So Kate ask me to hang out on Saturday, we went to a caffee and talk for 2 hours.
She brought me a little cake from the caffee and smoothie which was nice of her.

As we spoke it was good, she told me about her family issues and how she is on anti depressents.
Kate told me how this guy she went out with for 2 months used her for sex.
And I was connecting the dots because she always told me she was going out with guy and that guy and I realised this guy was the guy she spoke to months ago and then reconnected.
It started to make all sense now.

I mention about our art class and told her how it got too much with the socail media and it was taking over my life and the art that was important to me. I said I felt sad and alone.
Instead of empathize she said to me cut and dry
"Well I told you work comes first for me"
I was a bit stunned what she said. I don't even recalled or remember her telling me this.
I told my sister and she knows me I can recall a converstation word by word. And if she did say that my sister knows I would've been upset and tell her. My partner agreed with me as well.

So I felt a bit confused and started questioning my self.

I told her how I felt like I was doing everything and she to me up front up "Yeah it's true you did everything" I said to her "So you knew" and she said "Yes it's not secert".

I was shocked and angry at her. I didn't show the emotions or spoke out. It seem my emotion delayed and it was only when I got home what she said was ruminating in my mind and I was wondering why I was bothered by it.

I question and wondered but why would you continue to let your friend to do everything? don't you feel guilty?

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Old Sep 17, 2022, 07:03 PM
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I’d not feel guilty if a friend chooses to do the extra stuff. I don’t know if you have full time job in addition to this extra thing. If she has full time job, she might not have time to do extra things. I think she had to speak up about it though. It seems like there was lack of communication. You weren’t telling her that you too tired of doing all tasks and she didn’t tell you she’s too busy
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Old Sep 17, 2022, 07:10 PM
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She’s being crystal clear in her communication with you. She will let you do all the work, whether it’s art class or friendship. She won’t make the effort.

Would you call that a friend? Hopefully not.
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Old Sep 17, 2022, 08:10 PM
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She’s being crystal clear in her communication with you. She will let you do all the work, whether it’s art class or friendship. She won’t make the effort.

Would you call that a friend? Hopefully not.
Well she wasn't crystal clear at the begining that is what bothered me.
This was at the end of everything. I thought we were doing this as a team effort.
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Old Sep 17, 2022, 08:11 PM
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I’d not feel guilty if a friend chooses to do the extra stuff. I don’t know if you have full time job in addition to this extra thing. If she has full time job, she might not have time to do extra things. I think she had to speak up about it though. It seems like there was lack of communication. You weren’t telling her that you too tired of doing all tasks and she didn’t tell you she’s too busy
oh no she wasn't clear about at the begining. I thought this was a team effort but I learnt slowly over time I ended up doing more and more stuff.
She had time because she tell me she be making a cake at home or dating guys during the week.
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Old Sep 17, 2022, 10:08 PM
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She’s clear now. If you decide to continue this one-sided friendship it’s on her terms, which means you will pursue the friendship, she will respond when she’s unoccupied, her work and men will always be more important.
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Old Sep 18, 2022, 06:09 AM
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It was just never her priority. Neither that art class nor the friendship.

As about her having time to do these extra duties. Just because someone bakes cakes or dating, it doesn’t mean they have time to handle s second job. I’d have an issue if people thought that if I on my only day off I am baking cake, I should take on a second job or do XYZ. .People have rights to date and rest and do household chores and choose whatever activity on their time off. So I don’t believe it fair to say she has all this extra time.

What I blame her for is agreeing to take on this second job but then never speaking up that it’s just too much, not thanking you for extra work and not communicating clearly. And you had to speak up that you can’t do all this alone. For all she knew maybe you enjoyed extra duties
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Old Sep 18, 2022, 06:24 AM
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She didn’t tell you that her job is a priority because it’s not something to tell. It’s kind of a given that once a week class cannot take a priority over a full time job that pays bills. It’s silly she says “I told you”. She didn’t but she possibly thought she did as it’s common sense

At this point I think it’s clear she’s not into very deep friendship, she is ok with occasional hanging out and chats and she has no time or interest for teaching this art class. Now it’s your turn to decide on your course of action
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Old Sep 18, 2022, 06:27 AM
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She has always been very clear: first by her actions showing she was not overly bothered. She merely confirmed with her words now. She has been consistent all along.
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Old Sep 18, 2022, 10:26 AM
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Did you ever read the Maya Angelou quote “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time” ? It’s been one of the hardest yet most important lessons in life for me but it’s a good quote I try to remember when situations require it.

From all you’ve written here would you say Kate has shown you who she is? It’s now up to you to act on this knowledge.

PS Please don’t feel because I’ve written this that I think I’ve got a better idea how to handle these things, I have really struggled with people treating me badly over the years and I’ve been the one who’s made excuses for them. I do understand this can be a difficult process for some of us.
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Old Sep 20, 2022, 07:09 AM
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She’s being crystal clear in her communication with you. She will let you do all the work, whether it’s art class or friendship. She won’t make the effort.

Would you call that a friend? Hopefully not.
Exactly! Just knowing the way she behaved after the first class, cutting communication off, it gives you an idea of how much she is deep into getting her hands dirt in the job (ironical comment)
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